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How to talk to an atheist (and you must)
Townhall.com ^ | January 24, 2005 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 01/26/2005 9:46:21 AM PST by 7thson

When I pulled into the parking lot this morning, I saw a car covered with sacrilegious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention. I’m sure he was also seeking to elicit anger from people of faith. The anger helps the atheist to justify his atheism. And, all too often, the atheist gets exactly what he is looking for.

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Did not see this posted. Do not know about posting something from Townhall so I excerpted the article. I read Mere Christianity las year and feel the need to reread it.
1 posted on 01/26/2005 9:46:22 AM PST by 7thson
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To: 7thson

> I saw a car covered with sacrilegious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention

Oddly enough... I saw a car covered with religious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 9:47:32 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: 7thson

I don't believe in athiests...


3 posted on 01/26/2005 9:49:11 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Rap - the other Disco)
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To: 7thson

I think atheists can be some of the most interesting, intelligent people around, as long as it's not Christianity or moral issues being discussed.


4 posted on 01/26/2005 9:50:28 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: 7thson

I'm an atheist, but I don't have ANY bumper stickers on my vehicles, much less sacreligious ones. It's my opinion that every person's beliefs with regard to religion are that person's beliefs and that they ought to be left alone about them.

I don't encourage anyone to disbelieve, and I don't particularly welcome people encouraging me to believe. My atheism is the product of a great deal of study and thought, and slogans are not going to change my mind.

But I don't mind if others believe in deities. It doesn't affect me.


5 posted on 01/26/2005 9:51:32 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: reagan_fanatic
I don't believe in athiests...

There's no future in athiesm.

6 posted on 01/26/2005 9:51:55 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: 7thson
I read Mere Christianity las year and feel the need to reread it.

It was a great book...Read "The Great Divorce" too!

7 posted on 01/26/2005 9:55:25 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: 7thson

I'd use a hidden P.A. system with lots of reverb and speak in a slow deep voice.

: ^ )


8 posted on 01/26/2005 9:56:13 AM PST by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: 7thson
Do not know about posting something from Townhall so I excerpted the article.

I think the system is smart enough now such that, if we are required to excerpt it and we don't, the system will not let us post it until we do. Unfortunately, it can be discouraging to put a lot of effort into properly formatting the article, only to find out at Post time that either it must be excerpted or cannot be posted at all. ;)

10 posted on 01/26/2005 9:57:08 AM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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To: orionblamblam
Oddly enough... I saw a car covered with religious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention.

Actually, I think, to be fair, there tends to be a difference between religious and atheistic bumper stickers. Those religious are usually in the "Hurrah for Jesus" mold, whereas those atheistic tend to be along the lines of "Ditch Religion and Grow Up." I think it is accurate to say that the atheistic ones are more designed to irritate and provoke.

11 posted on 01/26/2005 9:57:10 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: MineralMan

Although I am a very lapsed Catholic, you pretty much sum up what I believe. Although "agnostic" is probably a better term. Also, I might be something of a Deist, depending on what I just read, but officially, I claim publicly to be an athiest on religous issues.

I find I am much more able to engage liberals with that background. They seem to think that all conservatives are bible-thumpers. It is quite satisfying to destroy any straw men right up front. It leaves them quite disarmed.


12 posted on 01/26/2005 9:57:22 AM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Semper Paratus
There's no future in athiesm [sic].

Not strictly true.

Since the author mentions C. S. Lewis, I'm minded of a story about him. He's said to have seen a tombstone, engraved thus:

Here lies an atheist
All dressed up, and no place to go.

Lewis is said to have remarked, "I'm sure he wishes that were so."

Dan
Why I Am (Still) a Christian

13 posted on 01/26/2005 9:57:25 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: MineralMan
I'm an atheist, but I don't have ANY bumper stickers on my vehicles, It's my opinion that every person's beliefs with regard to religion are that person's beliefs and that they ought to be left alone about them.

LOL, that's one of the funniest things I've seen here in a long time! LOL

Your tag line is the cyber equivalent of a bumper sticker and it tells people the one thing that you want them to know above all other things about you. Hard to see that you want to be left alone about it.

Someone who does a great deal of study and thought can see in a second how ludicrous your statement is.

LOL, good stuff.

14 posted on 01/26/2005 9:57:58 AM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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To: k2blader

>>I think atheists can be some of the most interesting, intelligent people around, as long as it's not Christianity or moral issues being discussed.<<

Ug. Not me. I have a BIL who is an elitist, libertarian, atheist. (basically has a problem with rules) He literally tilts the top of his head back when he speaks at you. Since meeting him, I now know what "looking down one's nose at someone" is.


15 posted on 01/26/2005 9:58:45 AM PST by netmilsmom (Official Anti-Catholic Troll Hunter.)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

> I think it is accurate to say that the atheistic ones ...

... have a sense of humor. There are some nasty ones, of course, but that's true for both sides. ON the atheist side, you *never* see any that basically boil down to "If you don't believe waht I believe, then you're not a *real* American."


16 posted on 01/26/2005 9:59:28 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: MineralMan

Ditto to MineralMan.

I think that talking to atheists is like talking to anyone else. If you do so with respect, you're likely to earn respect in return. I love having philosophical conversations with my church-going friends (one of whom is a Baptist minister) and wouldn't dare disrespect their beliefs. I do, however, ask the same in return. ;)


17 posted on 01/26/2005 9:59:40 AM PST by Renderofveils (8th Engineer Bn, 1 Cav. "Cannibals!")
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To: 7thson

"I still remember the night I publicly declared my atheism. It was April 3rd, 1992. I was a long-haired musician, playing guitar at a bar called “The Gin” in Oxford, Mississippi. The subject of religion came up in a conversation during one of my breaks. An Ole Miss Law student, who had been an undergraduate with me at Mississippi State years before, asked me whether I was still dating my girlfriend, Sally. Then he asked why I had broken up with my previous girlfriend two years before."

I was at Ole Miss the same time. Not at the Gin, but the BSU.


18 posted on 01/26/2005 9:59:47 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Why do Red States have Blue Senators?)
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To: 7thson
His friend simply asked him very sincerely to read C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity

The Oxford don's book is not for light-weight readers, it takes some intelligence and rationality to read through it. And it's the greatest of all non-Biblical explanations for Christianity, IMHO.

Warning: Mere Christianity makes you think about what you really believe, and why you don't believe what you don't.:)

19 posted on 01/26/2005 10:00:33 AM PST by xJones
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To: Protagoras
Someone who does a great deal of study and thought can see in a second how ludicrous your statement is.

You beat me to that one, I was too busy laughing to post any faster.

20 posted on 01/26/2005 10:01:52 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: 7thson

Well, I am an Atheist... you can talk to me at any time. Nevertheless, let's skip the subject of religion. ;)


21 posted on 01/26/2005 10:03:42 AM PST by Kurt_D
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To: xJones

I have not yet read "Mere Christianity", I'm still absorbing "The Screwtape Letters" for the third time.

Then I'll move on.


22 posted on 01/26/2005 10:05:12 AM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: netmilsmom
He literally tilts the top of his head back when he speaks at you.

Ech, that is pretty bad!

You have a good point. I admit I don't often knowingly intermingle face to face with atheists much--I was referring generally to the ones I've seen on FR. But even here I've noticed that elitist attitude. To be fair, they might be thinking the same thing about me, even if I don't intend to appear that way. :-D

23 posted on 01/26/2005 10:05:12 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: orionblamblam

There's a car in my parking lot with a sticker that says "Lord, Protect me from Your followers", and I've seen some cars around with "God loves you, but everyone else thinks you're an @#*hole".


24 posted on 01/26/2005 10:05:18 AM PST by rage24
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To: 7thson
It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention.

I often carry around a camera. When I see these vehicles, I photograph all the graphics, and make us both happy.
She gets the attention she craves, and I get another set for my "whack-job" collection.

25 posted on 01/26/2005 10:05:35 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: orionblamblam
ON the atheist side, you *never* see any that basically boil down to "If you don't believe waht I believe, then you're not a *real* American."

No, but quite often you do see it boil down to "If you don't believe what I believe, you're an imbecile."

26 posted on 01/26/2005 10:07:36 AM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: 7thson; biblewonk
I certainly didn’t believe in divine intervention. But I do now.

The right divine intervention can have that effect on anyone.

(I-think-you'll-enjoy-the-full-article ping.)

27 posted on 01/26/2005 10:09:16 AM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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To: Renderofveils

I do not think Newdow is capable of showing respect to anyone.


28 posted on 01/26/2005 10:09:31 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Elisha_Ben_Abuya
or in dictionaries

Lol -- the one time I don't use spellcheck and look what happens :(
29 posted on 01/26/2005 10:09:43 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Rap - the other Disco)
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To: Kurt_D
If there is no God and therefore no reward or punishment because there is no afterlife, how can there be such a thing as right and wrong?

I would submit that in that case, there are only actions and consequences in the present life.

30 posted on 01/26/2005 10:09:52 AM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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To: orionblamblam
It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention.

Duh. That's the whole point of a bumper sticker.

31 posted on 01/26/2005 10:10:01 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

There is really no such thing as an atheist. Anyone who says they are an atheist is lying (usually to themself). They also tend to be exposing their natural human cowardice. That is, they have much in common with wild animals that live in constant fear of being eaten by something lurking in the bushes.


32 posted on 01/26/2005 10:10:12 AM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: Semper Paratus

There is no present in Deism.

Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today. That is the rule.


33 posted on 01/26/2005 10:10:41 AM PST by donmeaker (Burn the UN flag publicly.)
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To: AppyPappy

Ya beat me to it.


34 posted on 01/26/2005 10:10:56 AM PST by newgeezer (When encryption is outlawed, rwei qtjske ud alsx zkjwejruc.)
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To: atomicpossum

> quite often you do see it boil down to "If you don't believe what I believe, you're an imbecile."

Get that on both sides. Or *all* sides, I suppose. Haven't seen too many "If you ain't Scientologist, you ain't sh1t" bumperstickers, or "Islam is for *real* men," but I'm sure they're out there.


35 posted on 01/26/2005 10:11:24 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: RobRoy

> There is really no such thing as an atheist.

Or, in fact, a Christian. Oh they might *tell* you they are, but ask another Christian of a different denomination, and they'll set you right...


36 posted on 01/26/2005 10:12:45 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: Protagoras
If there is no God and therefore no reward or punishment because there is no afterlife, how can there be such a thing as right and wrong?

It is sad that some people are only good to get their reward and avoid punishment.

37 posted on 01/26/2005 10:13:01 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Kurt_D

There seems to be some confusion between an atheist and an anti-Christian bigot. People who have sacrilegious bumperstickers are anti-Christian bigots.


38 posted on 01/26/2005 10:13:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: MineralMan
I'm an atheist, but I don't have ANY bumper stickers on my vehicles, much less sacreligious ones.

Word. Or as my friend put it, "All personalized license plates and bumper stickers say basically the same thing - 'Shoot me - I have a point of view different from that of yours!'"
39 posted on 01/26/2005 10:14:17 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: TheOtherOne

Amazing to think that there are some who imagine that they're motivated by anything other than desire for rewards, fear of punishment.

Dan


40 posted on 01/26/2005 10:14:35 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Protagoras
If there is no God and therefore no reward or punishment because there is no afterlife, how can there be such a thing as right and wrong?

So the only reason theists act morally in this lifetime is because they are performing a cost-benefit analysis?
41 posted on 01/26/2005 10:15:56 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: RobRoy
There is really no such thing as an atheist. Anyone who says they are an atheist is lying (usually to themself). They also tend to be exposing their natural human cowardice. That is, they have much in common with wild animals that live in constant fear of being eaten by something lurking in the bushes.

This is actually an example of how NOT to talk to an atheist...
42 posted on 01/26/2005 10:17:39 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Protagoras

> If there is no God and therefore no reward or punishment because there is no afterlife, how can there be such a thing as right and wrong?

Because right and wrong do not need to be related to a fear of punishment, in this life or any other. In simplest and simplistic terms, "right" morally is that which provides the best chance for your genes to propogate. Thus murder is out, because people will come kill you for it; rape is out for the same reason. I've yet to come across a bit of (generally accepted) morality that can't be defined in this way.


43 posted on 01/26/2005 10:18:14 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: BibChr

So why would any atheist every do anything good, in private?


44 posted on 01/26/2005 10:18:45 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: 7thson

I will have to pick up a copy of that book.


45 posted on 01/26/2005 10:19:02 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: orionblamblam

I disagree. Christians have beliefs and their lives demonstrate their beliefs. Virtually all professing atheists deny their faith by how they live their lives.

An example of a REAL atheist living according to his beliefs would be the main character in the movie "Natural Born Killers."

As the apostle Paul said, and I paraphrase, "if there is no God, then we of all men are most acursed. We should eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die."

That is the creed of the TRUE atheist. For without God, life truly has no meaning whatsoever. Even the extermination of all mankind - or it's proliferation, would be totally irrelevant.


46 posted on 01/26/2005 10:19:02 AM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: TheOtherOne
It is sad that some people are only good to get their reward and avoid punishment.

That would be sad.

But what is "good" anyway? And why is it good?

47 posted on 01/26/2005 10:19:07 AM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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To: cspackler

Try the audio version with John Cleese reading. Absolutely tremendous!


48 posted on 01/26/2005 10:19:28 AM PST by jagusafr ("The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not)
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To: Stone Mountain

>> This is actually an example of how NOT to talk to an atheist...<<

I agree. That is why I didn't post to the atheist. 8^>


49 posted on 01/26/2005 10:20:06 AM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: Protagoras

Even Jesus said He wasn't good.

All our good deeds are like filthy rags anyway. It's a moot point.


50 posted on 01/26/2005 10:20:23 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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