Skip to comments.How to talk to an atheist (and you must)
Posted on 01/26/2005 9:46:21 AM PST by 7thson
When I pulled into the parking lot this morning, I saw a car covered with sacrilegious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention. Im sure he was also seeking to elicit anger from people of faith. The anger helps the atheist to justify his atheism. And, all too often, the atheist gets exactly what he is looking for.
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> I saw a car covered with sacrilegious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention
Oddly enough... I saw a car covered with religious bumper stickers. It seemed obvious to me that the owner was craving attention.
I don't believe in athiests...
I think atheists can be some of the most interesting, intelligent people around, as long as it's not Christianity or moral issues being discussed.
I'm an atheist, but I don't have ANY bumper stickers on my vehicles, much less sacreligious ones. It's my opinion that every person's beliefs with regard to religion are that person's beliefs and that they ought to be left alone about them.
I don't encourage anyone to disbelieve, and I don't particularly welcome people encouraging me to believe. My atheism is the product of a great deal of study and thought, and slogans are not going to change my mind.
But I don't mind if others believe in deities. It doesn't affect me.
There's no future in athiesm.
It was a great book...Read "The Great Divorce" too!
I'd use a hidden P.A. system with lots of reverb and speak in a slow deep voice.
: ^ )
I think the system is smart enough now such that, if we are required to excerpt it and we don't, the system will not let us post it until we do. Unfortunately, it can be discouraging to put a lot of effort into properly formatting the article, only to find out at Post time that either it must be excerpted or cannot be posted at all. ;)
Actually, I think, to be fair, there tends to be a difference between religious and atheistic bumper stickers. Those religious are usually in the "Hurrah for Jesus" mold, whereas those atheistic tend to be along the lines of "Ditch Religion and Grow Up." I think it is accurate to say that the atheistic ones are more designed to irritate and provoke.
Although I am a very lapsed Catholic, you pretty much sum up what I believe. Although "agnostic" is probably a better term. Also, I might be something of a Deist, depending on what I just read, but officially, I claim publicly to be an athiest on religous issues.
I find I am much more able to engage liberals with that background. They seem to think that all conservatives are bible-thumpers. It is quite satisfying to destroy any straw men right up front. It leaves them quite disarmed.
Not strictly true.
Since the author mentions C. S. Lewis, I'm minded of a story about him. He's said to have seen a tombstone, engraved thus:
Here lies an atheist
All dressed up, and no place to go.
Lewis is said to have remarked, "I'm sure he wishes that were so."
LOL, that's one of the funniest things I've seen here in a long time! LOL
Your tag line is the cyber equivalent of a bumper sticker and it tells people the one thing that you want them to know above all other things about you. Hard to see that you want to be left alone about it.
Someone who does a great deal of study and thought can see in a second how ludicrous your statement is.
LOL, good stuff.
>>I think atheists can be some of the most interesting, intelligent people around, as long as it's not Christianity or moral issues being discussed.<<
Ug. Not me. I have a BIL who is an elitist, libertarian, atheist. (basically has a problem with rules) He literally tilts the top of his head back when he speaks at you. Since meeting him, I now know what "looking down one's nose at someone" is.
> I think it is accurate to say that the atheistic ones ...
... have a sense of humor. There are some nasty ones, of course, but that's true for both sides. ON the atheist side, you *never* see any that basically boil down to "If you don't believe waht I believe, then you're not a *real* American."
Ditto to MineralMan.
I think that talking to atheists is like talking to anyone else. If you do so with respect, you're likely to earn respect in return. I love having philosophical conversations with my church-going friends (one of whom is a Baptist minister) and wouldn't dare disrespect their beliefs. I do, however, ask the same in return. ;)
"I still remember the night I publicly declared my atheism. It was April 3rd, 1992. I was a long-haired musician, playing guitar at a bar called The Gin in Oxford, Mississippi. The subject of religion came up in a conversation during one of my breaks. An Ole Miss Law student, who had been an undergraduate with me at Mississippi State years before, asked me whether I was still dating my girlfriend, Sally. Then he asked why I had broken up with my previous girlfriend two years before."
I was at Ole Miss the same time. Not at the Gin, but the BSU.
The Oxford don's book is not for light-weight readers, it takes some intelligence and rationality to read through it. And it's the greatest of all non-Biblical explanations for Christianity, IMHO.
Warning: Mere Christianity makes you think about what you really believe, and why you don't believe what you don't.:)
You beat me to that one, I was too busy laughing to post any faster.
Well, I am an Atheist... you can talk to me at any time. Nevertheless, let's skip the subject of religion. ;)
I have not yet read "Mere Christianity", I'm still absorbing "The Screwtape Letters" for the third time.
Then I'll move on.
Ech, that is pretty bad!
You have a good point. I admit I don't often knowingly intermingle face to face with atheists much--I was referring generally to the ones I've seen on FR. But even here I've noticed that elitist attitude. To be fair, they might be thinking the same thing about me, even if I don't intend to appear that way. :-D
There's a car in my parking lot with a sticker that says "Lord, Protect me from Your followers", and I've seen some cars around with "God loves you, but everyone else thinks you're an @#*hole".
I often carry around a camera. When I see these vehicles, I photograph all the graphics, and make us both happy.
She gets the attention she craves, and I get another set for my "whack-job" collection.
No, but quite often you do see it boil down to "If you don't believe what I believe, you're an imbecile."
The right divine intervention can have that effect on anyone.
I do not think Newdow is capable of showing respect to anyone.
I would submit that in that case, there are only actions and consequences in the present life.
Duh. That's the whole point of a bumper sticker.
There is really no such thing as an atheist. Anyone who says they are an atheist is lying (usually to themself). They also tend to be exposing their natural human cowardice. That is, they have much in common with wild animals that live in constant fear of being eaten by something lurking in the bushes.
There is no present in Deism.
Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today. That is the rule.
Ya beat me to it.
> quite often you do see it boil down to "If you don't believe what I believe, you're an imbecile."
Get that on both sides. Or *all* sides, I suppose. Haven't seen too many "If you ain't Scientologist, you ain't sh1t" bumperstickers, or "Islam is for *real* men," but I'm sure they're out there.
> There is really no such thing as an atheist.
Or, in fact, a Christian. Oh they might *tell* you they are, but ask another Christian of a different denomination, and they'll set you right...
It is sad that some people are only good to get their reward and avoid punishment.
There seems to be some confusion between an atheist and an anti-Christian bigot. People who have sacrilegious bumperstickers are anti-Christian bigots.
Amazing to think that there are some who imagine that they're motivated by anything other than desire for rewards, fear of punishment.
> If there is no God and therefore no reward or punishment because there is no afterlife, how can there be such a thing as right and wrong?
Because right and wrong do not need to be related to a fear of punishment, in this life or any other. In simplest and simplistic terms, "right" morally is that which provides the best chance for your genes to propogate. Thus murder is out, because people will come kill you for it; rape is out for the same reason. I've yet to come across a bit of (generally accepted) morality that can't be defined in this way.
So why would any atheist every do anything good, in private?
I will have to pick up a copy of that book.
I disagree. Christians have beliefs and their lives demonstrate their beliefs. Virtually all professing atheists deny their faith by how they live their lives.
An example of a REAL atheist living according to his beliefs would be the main character in the movie "Natural Born Killers."
As the apostle Paul said, and I paraphrase, "if there is no God, then we of all men are most acursed. We should eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die."
That is the creed of the TRUE atheist. For without God, life truly has no meaning whatsoever. Even the extermination of all mankind - or it's proliferation, would be totally irrelevant.
That would be sad.
But what is "good" anyway? And why is it good?
Try the audio version with John Cleese reading. Absolutely tremendous!
>> This is actually an example of how NOT to talk to an atheist...<<
I agree. That is why I didn't post to the atheist. 8^>
Even Jesus said He wasn't good.
All our good deeds are like filthy rags anyway. It's a moot point.