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Foreign secretary says Mexico may ask international courts to block Proposition 200
sfgate ^ | Jan. 26, 2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/26/2005 2:37:53 PM PST by VU4G10

MEXICO CITY - Mexico may turn to international courts in an effort to block a new Arizona law limiting services to illegal immigrants, Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said Wednesday. He said in a radio interview that Mexico might take such a step after it has exhausted all possibilities under U.S. law to halt Proposition 200. "We are seeking all the legal opportunities that exist, first using the legal capacities of the United States itself and ... if that does not work, bringing it to international tribunals," Derbez said. advertisement He did not specify to which international bodies Mexico could appeal. Mexico's Foreign Department and lawmakers have repeatedly complained about Proposition 200, which voters approved in November. The measure requires proof of citizenship to vote and proof of immigration status to receive some government benefits. Derbez said the government already has made a verbal protest to the United States and now will file a written protest at the request of Mexican lawmakers. He did not say when it would be issued. He expressed regret that, according to polls, about 40 percent of Mexican-Americans in Arizona had supported the measure. "It's sad and it gives an idea of how we have to work to educate even our own Mexican-Americans about why it is important that these proposals are not accepted," Derbez said. In December, the Foreign Department issued a statement expressing "complete rejection" of the proposition, calling it "a measure that could generate actions of discrimination based on ethnic profile."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; ftaa; illegal; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; kalifornia; mexico; mexifornia; nafta; oas; oasfaa; prop200; proposition200
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1 posted on 01/26/2005 2:37:54 PM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

??? Huh? "International" "Law"? Excuse me, this is a sovereign country. Mexico needs to get a clue, and GW Bush needs to give them one. Soon.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 2:41:54 PM PST by Libertina (CPAC here we come!)
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To: VU4G10

In terms of international tribunals:

They can make their decisions, and then let them enforce them.


3 posted on 01/26/2005 2:42:46 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: VU4G10
...educate even our own Mexican-Americans...

This clown needs to be educated that the people he is referring to are OUR Mexican-Americans.

I voted for Prop 200 knowing all the while it would be tied up in court for years. Didn't realize the opponents would try to have some international tribunal get involved.

4 posted on 01/26/2005 2:43:09 PM PST by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: Libertina
Excuse me, this is a sovereign country

I'm afraid you're living in the past, my friend.

5 posted on 01/26/2005 2:43:21 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: VU4G10

Here we go boys!!!


The Internatioanlists are coming!!
The Internatioanlists are coming!! The Internatioanlists are coming!! The Internatioanlists are coming!!

Time to kick the Internatioanlist UN out of the Country and seal the borders!!!



6 posted on 01/26/2005 2:44:06 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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To: VU4G10

Fine, Luis. We'll just round 'em up and ship 'em back to you so Mexicans can pay for Mexican welfare.


7 posted on 01/26/2005 2:46:50 PM PST by jimt
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To: Libertina
Amigo...
8 posted on 01/26/2005 2:46:59 PM PST by pageonetoo (I could name them, but you'll spot their posts soon enough.)
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To: VU4G10
these othe countries and their pathetic fascists minds just don't get AMERICA. We can always just shut off the spigot at the Hoover Dam. Or better yet I think a nice GIANT canal runing along the border sounds good.

AND JUST HOW DID THEY THINK THEY WOULD ENFORCE SUCH A RULING.

9 posted on 01/26/2005 2:48:08 PM PST by marty60
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To: VU4G10
requires proof of citizenship to vote

Exactly how could this be a contentious issue in even the most vacuous of minds?

10 posted on 01/26/2005 2:50:12 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: VU4G10
"a measure that could generate actions of discrimination based on ethnic profile."

If Mexico's "Foreign Department" is taking the position that all people of a certain ethnic group are criminals I will have to disagree with them. This discrimination is clearly directed toward people who are violating US law. Shouldn't we discriminate against lawbreakers?

11 posted on 01/26/2005 2:51:15 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: VU4G10
Screw Mexico!!!

Man, I have had enough of this third world, trash heap of a country sending their refuse, their criminals, their problems up here and our government letting them do it!!

I have Mexican-American friends that feel the same way.

Stop this crap now or there will be some serious problems down the road. I for one will defend my family, my land and my country!!

12 posted on 01/26/2005 2:51:26 PM PST by technomage
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To: VU4G10

This @#$(%& @#$&* makes my blood boil.


13 posted on 01/26/2005 2:51:44 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: jimt

This is getting so ridiculous. What is wrong with our government?

Illegals come into our country, steal from us, commit crimes,
get paid without paying taxes, get free healthcare, free food and free housing.

Gee as citizens maybe we should all get paid and DONT PAY ANY TAXES, than lets all get FREE healthcare, food, housing!!!


14 posted on 01/26/2005 2:51:44 PM PST by stopem
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To: VU4G10

We are seeking all the legal opportunities that exist<<

Oh Really? Then keep your effing, illegal, a$$es OUT of the USA!!!!!


15 posted on 01/26/2005 2:52:26 PM PST by hushpad (Come on baby. . .Don't fear the FReeper. . .)
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To: stopem

Oh wait but maybe we need to get presidente foxy's permission first!


16 posted on 01/26/2005 2:52:29 PM PST by stopem
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To: VU4G10
bringing it to international tribunals

Right, them and who's army?

17 posted on 01/26/2005 2:53:03 PM PST by Godzilla (I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.)
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To: skip_intro

That's no joke.....wait until the FTAA is cranked up.....we're all going to get a close up view of what it's like to live in a banana republic....welcome to the United Trading Zones of America.


18 posted on 01/26/2005 2:54:16 PM PST by american spirit
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To: VU4G10

The voters voted, and now Mexico wants to have some magical international body impose itself against the will of the voters in this country?

I don't even know what to say about that, but I do feel a sudden urge to go to the gun range and practice, practice, practice.


19 posted on 01/26/2005 2:54:33 PM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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To: Libertina; All

"to educate even our own Mexican-Americans about why it is important that these proposals are not accepted," Derbez said. In December, the Foreign Department issued a statement expressing "complete rejection" "

Notice the term "our Mexican Americans"? It sounds like Mexico still claims former Mexican citizens as still being Mexican citizens and not Americans!


20 posted on 01/26/2005 2:55:08 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


21 posted on 01/26/2005 2:55:10 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Libertina

bttt


22 posted on 01/26/2005 2:55:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: VU4G10

This is pure Bull$hit!


23 posted on 01/26/2005 2:56:58 PM PST by Fithee (US Fifth Column = Leftist Press + John Kerry + Clintonistas + Leftist Socialist Democrats)
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To: technomage

The main problem is we have an entity known as our fedgov that is technically bankrupt which is doing all it can to bring people into this country that can't speak the language, have no skills and many are totally dependent on gov't. services.......what's going to happen when the inevitable day arrives that the checks stop coming to these people??? (Hint: it ain't gonna be pretty)


24 posted on 01/26/2005 2:58:15 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Libertina

I think they should show up on his lawn at the ranch and have a chat with him. He is their best bud right now. Why should we have to deal with the illegals by ourselves. They are his guests.


26 posted on 01/26/2005 2:58:37 PM PST by Sterco
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To: Libertina; Happy2BMe; B4Ranch; Squantos
Mexico needs to get a clue, and GW Bush needs to give them one. Soon.

Don't hold your breath.

27 posted on 01/26/2005 2:59:12 PM PST by glock rocks ( Miss Kitty, the sun hasn't come up on the day that Marshal Dillon can't take care of himself.)
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To: VU4G10
You must keep in mind that MEXICO IS A HOSTILE NATION. I've posted this one hundred times here.
28 posted on 01/26/2005 3:00:38 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Libertina

" Mexico needs to get a clue, and GW Bush needs to give them one. Soon."

Don't hold your breath! Bush's supporters want the illegals here and are happy to sell out our security to do it while handing us the bill.


29 posted on 01/26/2005 3:01:20 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: VU4G10

At first glance, one would ask why Mexico City or any other Latin capital cares about illegal alien laws in another country. The reason is economics. These nationals sneek into America, find a job (even ones that pay under the table) and then send American dollars back home. The tremendous flow of cash south actually plays a significant role in proping up Latin American economies. If the economy is steady, then the masses are happy and the educated elite (which comprises no more than 10% of the population) retains its stranglehold on power.


30 posted on 01/26/2005 3:01:50 PM PST by bobjam
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To: technomage
I have Mexican-American friends that feel the same way.

According to Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez, your friends need to be re-educated.

32 posted on 01/26/2005 3:02:39 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: Libertina

Not to mention the hypocracy of them pursuing legal means to permit illegal behavior!


33 posted on 01/26/2005 3:03:47 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: VU4G10
[Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez] said..."We are seeking all the legal opportunities that exist [to screw the U.S.], first using the legal capacities of the United States itself and ... if that does not work, bringing it to international tribunals"...

And if THAT doesn't, work, Derbez advocates invading the U.S. outright while ignoring the severely undermanned BP agent stationed along the 1000 mile border...

Nevermind, THAT plan has already been implimented.

34 posted on 01/26/2005 3:03:57 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: VU4G10

Keep it up, Mexico. The more you show your arrogance, the more ticked off Americans will be, and the less inclined to tolerate the illegal refuse and criminals that you continually shove off on us.


35 posted on 01/26/2005 3:04:15 PM PST by Nea Wood (I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.)
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To: american spirit
we're all going to get a close up view of what it's like to live in a banana republic

I live in California. I've already got a pretty good idea.

To visit the area where I was born and grew up would require transport in an armord vehicle.

36 posted on 01/26/2005 3:05:07 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: Bushforlife
They can make their decisions, and then let them enforce them.

How many divisions do they command?

38 posted on 01/26/2005 3:05:43 PM PST by Mark17
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To: antiRepublicrat
They believe that anyone can vote, whether a citizen or not. Just like you can vote in Mexico's elections I guess.
39 posted on 01/26/2005 3:08:12 PM PST by RetroWarrior ('I will guard my post from flank to flank and take no 'crap' from any rank')
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To: Libertina
??? Huh? "International" "Law"? Excuse me, this is a sovereign country

Tell that to Sandra Dee and the Supremes. They don't think so.

40 posted on 01/26/2005 3:14:16 PM PST by montag813
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To: Libertina
Couldn't trade sanctions also apply on our behalf? Like Mexico DUMPING cheap workers on us?


Good grief!! We need to build a wall on the border. There I finally said it! Mexico is more dangerous to our sovereignty than anyone!
41 posted on 01/26/2005 3:17:18 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: marty60
AND JUST HOW DID THEY THINK THEY WOULD ENFORCE SUCH A RULING.

They already have friends in high places in Washington.
42 posted on 01/26/2005 3:17:22 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy

Yeah I wonder what McCain has to say about this.


43 posted on 01/26/2005 3:20:23 PM PST by marty60
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To: mdmathis6

" It sounds like Mexico still claims former Mexican citizens as still being Mexican citizens and not Americans!"


Why not? They claim half the US belongs to them. You gotta give 'em this...they have cajones! To bad they don't use some of it on their own corrupt crappy government.


44 posted on 01/26/2005 3:22:49 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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"Mexico may turn to international courts in an effort to block a new Arizona law limiting services to illegal immigrants, Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said Wednesday."

Nice way to make friends and influence people. Does Mexico want a war?

45 posted on 01/26/2005 3:26:12 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Libertina
GW Bush needs to give them one.

He won't, he's completely bent over for Mexico.

46 posted on 01/26/2005 3:27:06 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: VU4G10

The hysteria on this thread is amazing. Here we have a Mexican politician grandstanding in some radio interview for his Mexican constituents. He knows perfectly well that his suggestion is ridiculous and unenforceable, but anti-U.S. demagoguery has always been popular in Mexico.

Why would anyone give more credibility or concern to this statement than, say, a similar statement by some far-left American politician like Barbara Boxer?

Chill out, everyone.


47 posted on 01/26/2005 3:31:53 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: RetroWarrior
"Just like you can vote in Mexico's elections I guess"

I'm sure for the right price you can.

48 posted on 01/26/2005 3:32:18 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: VU4G10
This is a prime example of why we said goodbye to Texas & came back to Illinois! Living on an "island paradise" in deeeeeep South Texas, I got a good first hand view of what all the fuss is about. Here are a few examples of why Mexico, many of it's citizens, and a fair few of our own are our enemies. First of all forget that tired old poop about "a better life". Uncontrolled immigration has turned places like Del Rio, Laredo (with an est illegal population of 125,000 living unconfronted there), and Corpus Christi into hell hole barrios. At a friends farm outside of Laredo, the border patrol "observed" illegals crossing daily. Not just Mexicans, but Chinese, Middle Easterners and South Americans. In two years, 5 Chinese were detained. Period. The agents were not allowed to pick up the illegals or to engage them in any way. Why? Nobody knows.. just assorted lame excuses about nowhere to put them and even "there is no bus running today" once when we asked the BP agent to pick up a large group wandering on our friends property. They left trash and human waste around and even shot a horse and butchered it on one occasion.
Mexico dumps garbage and medical waste in the Gulf of Mexico... not only does it endanger humans, but it is decimating our populations of wildlife. Most evenings on Padre Island, if you know where to look, you can spot a "Mexican shark boat" landing drugs or people.
Another problem is that groups like LULAC, La Raza, MECHA and the reconquista are dedicated to Hispanic domination and in some cases, as in that of MECHA, violence and crime perpetrated against white and black Americans. These groups carry a lot of political clout and are lauded by the democrats in many southwestern states.
Then we have the Mexican citizens who come to our cities for the express purposes of getting hurt so that they can file huge personal injury lawsuits. Others come for free medical care. In Texas they even make HALO flights into Mexico to pick up sick and injured Mexican nationals. Paid for by you...
Our English language (while not official) is becoming either unused or destroyed to the point of being unintelligible. In some Texas districts and towns SPANISH is the official language of local government. If you ask them to "Speak English please.", you are out of luck.
We need to stop this stuff before it's too late. The destruction culturally, environmentally and politically of the USA can be blamed largely on this kind of action and the actions of those politicians in border states who want to hand our country over to Mexico.
I worked as a volunteer in Mexico for a year. There are people there (especially in remote towns) who dream of a genuinely better life. But the majority of those coming from the big cities are coming for what they can take, by force if necessary. They hate us openly, protest everything we do and even now some Latino gangs are being linked to AL Qaida and other terrorist groups.
49 posted on 01/26/2005 3:42:19 PM PST by Heartland Hattie
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To: dpwiener
"Chill out, everyone."

Actually, there is more to worry about here than is obvious. Get a friendly international body to issue a ruling against the US and then a US government that doesn't want to enforce immigration laws simply accepts the international decision.

50 posted on 01/26/2005 3:45:31 PM PST by Truth29
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