Jimmy Carter -- Governor, President . . . Traitor?

The Omega Letter ^ | 1-24-05 | Jack Kinsella

[ABG(anybody but Gore)]

Let's see, gave away the Panama Canal, sold out the very pro-American Shah in Iran(who was liberalizing that country and moving it towards democracy 25 years ago) for a bunch of Mullahs who laid the groundwork for the Islamofascism we're faced with today, was Arafat's chief mouthpiece here against Israel, coddled the North Koreans, a tyrant in Haiti, tried to enlist the KGB to swing an American Presidential election, and never fails to blame America for everything that's wrong with the world. Them coinky-dinks keep piling up...

[Safetgiver]

I dsiagree with your statement that he served this nation. Every move he made was bungled and every thing he didn't do was a crime by omission.

[RaceBannon]

that's a good summary Bump!

[clamper1797]

Number one ... I didn't call him a traitor ... another poster did

Number two ... judging from your post to me and your other posts on this thread ... you may be on the wrong site

At best you're a rude newbie ... edging on troll

[NorCalRepub]

I think you are blinded by hatred.....we can not like the man but still not get carried away......clear thinking people on this post have said the same....I know it is fun to beat up Jimmy, I even like it, but go look up the word traitor and how it relates to the U.S. and you will see that the word does not extend to most people.....

[CORedneck]

Carter gave away the Panama Canal ! How so stupid !

[skinkinthegrass]

..but go look up the word traitor..

traitor, tra'tor, n. One who betrays his trust and allegiance; one guilty of treason. ..by the courts.

I stand corrected, on the latter, but Jimmah convicted himself, (by his deeds) to the former. (He was Naval Officer for many years, prior to becoming gov. to GA./U.S. president. 8^)

How about treason?

...Treason, tre'zon,n. A betrayal; breach of allegiance; treachery; disloyalty, a violation of allegiance ...I think treason, fits rather 'snuggly' on Jimmah. I think a review of these posts/links, are in order. Don't cha think, have a happy day. :))

[Phatnbald]

Rude for showing some backbone ? Read my quote from A. Lincoln on the topic......

What kind of Free Republic demands hewing to the party line on all subjects ? Im a gun owner, business owner, strong advocate of a strong defense, I think the UN can bite me, I think taxes are way to high etc. etc.

But since I trust science and think life begins when the brain becomes active, and that we should be careful who we call traitors, that I should be off the site ?

I dont think thats what the founders of this place had in mind, and by that, I mean FR.com

As regards the canal treaty, its been no problem for us. Everyone knows in a major war it would be nuked in a moment, and we have saved billions already by handing it over, and there aint no way we arent going to use it whenever we want as long as its there, so whats the big hubub ?

[clamper1797]

Rude ... and disrespectful

[Phatnbald]

I stand by everything I wrote. If you find disagreement to be a breach of manners, there is not much I can do about it. I respect your service and perspective, but we are plainly not on the same page as to the purpose of this site.

I must have missed the part in the terms of use about seniority.

[clamper1797]

Apparently your parents never taught you manners

[TChris]

Run around calling everyone in sight a traitor, see what good it does the country.

If officially, directly and actively opposing the position of the US government in foreign policy isn't traitorous, just what qualifies, in your view?

I'm afraid treason has been growing over the past 50 or so years to such a degree that our sensitivity to it has been numbed. We need to look more closely at such activities, not wink at them!

[Phatnbald]

The US Government is a group of people, sometimes flying in formation and sometimes not. Sometimes one part of the government is not in agreement with another.

At other times, such as when we are at war, or the person involved (like OBL) is a sworn enemy of the US, there really is not much debate about what treason may be. In my view, helping them reach their goals is treason.

In a free society, if a person is acting in what they think are the best interests of the nation, there must be a wide measure of "treason"- certainly bad judgement, bad results, and bad ideas may still not measure up to that strong word.

The cost of freedom is factions with different agendas. If you think those agendas amount to treason, just what qualifies as freedom in your view ?

Who is winking at anything. My sole point, in all of this post, and to the evident disgust of some and perhaps against some FR unspoken rules, is that you cant run around calling ex presidents of the United States traitors and expect any good to come of it.

The great, great majority of Americans will never believe Carter was a traitor and that includes tens of millions of republicans- are they all traitors too, by extension ?

Like I said, save it for the Pollards, Hamdis, and others who earn the filthy word.

[hope]

Christine Todd Whitman has a new website.

[knews_hound]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

So lets recap;

Activly encouraged our enemies... Sounds like treason to me.

Took money to influence US policy... Sounds like treason to me.

Undermined US policy and leaders...Sounds like treason to me.

Took positions that were very damging to the US...Sounds like treason to me.

But maybe he is right, and we are all just a bunch of right wing whackjobs. After all, who are we to say that Iran going to the Mullas was bad? Or that Saddam was in fact a nice guy after all. Or that the USSR had the right idea after all?

Oops, thats right, history and common sense.

*knews hound slaps his forehead*

Silly me.

Cheers,

knews hound


P.S. What say the Brethren ?

[clamper1797]

Satisfactory my friend. Isleton doins ... March 4-6

[TChris]

...helping them reach their goals is treason.

Hence, Jimmy Carter and his globe trotting to coddle, applaud and otherwise polish the image of assorted communists, terrorists, et al, certainly fits that definition. If that doesn't, then persuading nations to ignore a UN resolution punishing Saddam Hussein should fit that without question, IMO. (Aren't the Dems the ones crying that we didn't simply let the UN sanctions continue to work so wonderfully? ...yet they are the very ones who were actively undercutting those very sanctions!)

There's a huge difference between voicing your opposition to administration policies, even strenuously, and openly supporting and serving the enemy. In my view, Jimmy Carter is one among many Democrats who have engaged in such activity.

[Phatnbald]

So does Ahslee Simpson....whats one bad performer have to do with the other ?

[knews_hound]

All I need is a date and exact location.

Please let me know, I will bring along some home brew for us!

Cheers,

knews hound

[Phatnbald]

Hindsight is 20/20. Quality Americans built up Saddam before we had to take him down; it would have been hard to know the future. Good Americans supported Afgan rebel fighters; it would have been hard to know some of them would come back at us. Good Americans made decisions in Lebanon that did not work out so well....selling arms to Iran might not have been the best idea either, but nobody thinks there was treason involved..

This is my last post on this topic, its pointless to continue beyond one more summary:

Carter was a crappy president and has shown himself on the wrong side of history more than once. By no account does he not care about America and her well-being; his ideas about it are not great, but he is not a traitor, and all the ranting in the world won't convince a substantial number of people that he was. Every president makes mistakes- every single one- and treason is a filthy word that should be used carefully.

Im done with this thread--