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CARSON'S LEGACY: He knew when to quit
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | 25 January 05 | J.D. Mullane

Posted on 01/27/2005 8:42:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard

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To: Lancey Howard
Kofax was one of the greatest in the game

I grew up in Missouri and started loving base ball in the 50s, so naturally my hero was "Stan The Man"

41 posted on 01/27/2005 9:14:55 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: fatima

My parents are in their mid 70's, both of them, my dad smoked like a chimney up until about 15 years ago.


42 posted on 01/27/2005 9:16:05 PM PST by John Lenin (Liberals: Can't live with them, I can live without them ...)
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To: Jenya

She died from cancer shortly after Jay cut her loose. I am sure he fired her "gently" because she was with him all along and I'm sure she did what she did because she thought it would help Jay. But she was definitely over the top. Hers is an incredibly tragic story.


43 posted on 01/27/2005 9:16:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
The closest retirement I can think of that meets this criteria is Sandy Koufax. Wins 27 games one year and then retires.

Koufax was my hero as a young boy. I listened to every game on my crystal radio when the Dodgers moved to LA. The first few seasons he was FAST, but threw, not pitched. Then he hit his stride, throwing 100 mph fastballs that batters said got faster, not slower, as some of his games approached 9 innings. And he had, at that time the most wicked curve ball in baseball. His elbow tendons died in his early 30's. He gracefully stepped down and left the game. What a humble giant of Baseball that this man was..

44 posted on 01/27/2005 9:17:34 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Netizen
A while back, David Brinkley's news partner, Chet Huntley, would make public statements, wishing that people would just stop smoking.

Johnny Carson did, also, on the show one night, tell the audience that "that was my last one," and he did quit, also suggesting that people not smoke.

I enjoyed watching Johnny Carson through all his years on television. He had a class act, that has not been matched, certainly not by Leno, and unfortunately, not by Letterman.

Mr. Carson had great respect for people with class and self-dignity, which are parts of what was American life, that I believe he regreted somewhat, to see passing by the wayside, in exchange for appearances of "professionalism" that are unsubstantiated.

Mr. Carson, as far I as I knew, was a gentleman.

He proposed to quit the show, in the early 1980's, but then he responded to the overwhelming support, of his audience, and remained with it, though now, I wish he had quit back then; and then, maybe, done a holiday special on some occasions.

He was a great admirer of Bob Hope, Jimmy Stewart, and John Wayne.

Of course, Mr. Hope was the landlord for NBC in Southern California, and it is unlikely that Mr. Carson was "forced out" of anything.

It would be possibly more accurate to say, that he was a bit unhappy with deal makers of a sort, both in part of show business, and in the wife-lawyer-divorce business.

Mr. Carson was a good man.

That, unfortunately, is now a rarity.

.Everywhere.

45 posted on 01/27/2005 9:17:53 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Lancey Howard
"Carson: "If I ever catch kleptomaniac Claude Cooper from Cleveland who copped my clean copper clappers kept in the closet ..." Webb: "Yes?" Carson: "I'll clobber him."

That is without a doubt, my favorite skit. Carson's dead pan expressions were priceless! I wish I had a VHS copy!

Karnak and the Mighty Carson Art Players were a hoot too. The bimbo blonde babe, with Carson giving driving directions..."take a fork in the road," while pointing to a flipchart map showing a fork!

Carson was THE BEST.

46 posted on 01/27/2005 9:20:30 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: TASMANIANRED

You nailed it.

Most of the talent dried up...or died.

I think it's more than coincidence ratings have steadily declined for networks across the board.

Improv used to offer a wealth of material for Johnny. Most of the guests today cannot improvise. They read their scripts, curse, and genuinely are all me, me, me. There are exceptions. Not enugh to fill a show day after day throughout the year.


47 posted on 01/27/2005 9:20:42 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Sonny M

See post #32.
Helen was with Leno at the beginning of his stint at The Tonight Show. She went over the top in the guest-booking area.


48 posted on 01/27/2005 9:21:48 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: John Lenin

John ,I like a few cigs a day-maybe 7.I only curse 5 times a day and think ill of my fellow brother most of the day:).Glad you have Mom and Dad.


49 posted on 01/27/2005 9:22:41 PM PST by fatima (Go Eagles Go.Superbowl Baby (1 Corinthians 13:4-7).)
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To: Lancey Howard
I agree. I was thinking today that Carson knew that not only was it time for to get out but that things were going to get very crazy.
In today's world could a young Johnny Carson make it on TV?
I think so but the competition would be stiff.
Carson was still hip and his writing and jokes still first rate but as someone wrote his audience started getting dumbed down. They were the ones who weren't keeping up with the news and current events and when Carson told these topical sophisticated jokes they just didn't get them.
Today's comedians have gotten more coarse, crude and earthy and are doing their best to appeal to the lowest common denominator whereas Carson wasn't.
Even Jay Leno, who still does a lot stand-up dates at colleges and comedy clubs, has gone this route to a degree.
Letterman and Leno are also, I think, so rather insecure that they don't even book new and upcoming talent on their shows like Carson did. Carson was a breeding ground for new talent and if you did well there you had a future.
As a result you still see the same old acts and the same old faces to interview along with a lot of, what I have to say is, a lot of no talented people, singers and actors, that just don't care what they look like and have no class or manners.
After Carson left I knew that it was downhill from there and I don't bother watching either Leno or Letterman.
After the baby boom generation toddles off to retirement years the generations coming after us will not care that once upon a time there was a guy named Johnny Carson who provided lots of fun and entertainment that you could really enjoy and then it will all be a memory.
50 posted on 01/27/2005 9:24:49 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: ExtremeUnction

Check out the link at post #16.
Very goof Koufax bio. Did you know that, at 36, Koufax is the youngest player ever voted into the Hall of Fame? I never knew that.


51 posted on 01/27/2005 9:25:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I'm trying to think of the celebrity that blew the lid off the guest booking attempted 'monopoly'. It was big news for a while. It was a male star who got really angry. The name's on the tip of my tongue.


52 posted on 01/27/2005 9:26:03 PM PST by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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To: tahoeblue

All of Leno's skits involve essentially the same lie - the utter stupidity of American people (but never immigrants despite the very large immigrant population in California). It really, really gets old.


53 posted on 01/27/2005 9:27:06 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Lancey Howard

I wonder is the agent character in Fraiser was based on her?


54 posted on 01/27/2005 9:28:50 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

You may want to take out a billboard ad. However, those that smoke already probably know this. We also know that those in combat, run a greater risk of being shot than sitting at home on the veranda, sipping unsweetened, low calorie, no caffeine, fat-free, clear, zero carbs, no sodium, iced tea, sans the tea leaves, and ice.


55 posted on 01/27/2005 9:29:48 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: fatima

Yep, even though they split up a long time ago it's nice to have them around, even if I don't see my dad much anymore. And I know what you mean about your brother. :-)


56 posted on 01/27/2005 9:30:08 PM PST by John Lenin (Liberals: Can't live with them, I can live without them ...)
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To: Jenya

Yeah, I remember when the whole thing blew up on Jay. He really played it real low-profile - - it was still early in his Tonight Show gig and he just wanted the problem to go away. You could tell the whole thing made him VERY uncomfortable. But he knew what his agent/manager was doing - - he HAD to know.


57 posted on 01/27/2005 9:30:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: tahoeblue

At one point in the late 1970's early 1980's when NBC literally had no primetime lineup to speak of Carson's show was generating something in excess of 20% of their profits. In today's megabuck world Carson would been worth more than Leno or Letterman and yet CBS is paying Leterman something like $38 Million a year, more than NBC pays Leno, and his ratings are lower than Leno's. Unreal.


58 posted on 01/27/2005 9:33:35 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Lancey Howard
Check out the link at post #16. Very good Koufax bio. Did you know that, at 36, Koufax is the youngest player ever voted into the Hall of Fame? I never knew that.

He never pitched until High School. Some say that the lack of little league gave him his speed and skills. No man in sports has ever come close to Koufax in his prime. A humble man to this day, a great player. A giant.

59 posted on 01/27/2005 9:34:35 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Lancey Howard
"CARSON'S LEGACY: He knew when to quit.

Too bad Carter, Kennedy and Clinton don't

60 posted on 01/27/2005 9:36:03 PM PST by blackbart.223
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