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Rabbi bans singing in the shower
Agence France-Presse ^ | 26th January, 2005 | Correcpondent

Posted on 01/28/2005 4:50:22 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer

A former Jewish grand rabbi Mordechai Eliahu has laid down the law on amateur operatics in the shower: you can hum but you can't sing.

"You will not sing in the shower," the former leader of Israel's Sephardic Jews instructed a listener inquiring about Talmudic laws on an ultra-Orthodox religious radio programme.

Rabbi Eliahu explained that the Hebrew language, holy to the Jewish religion, was not to be sullied by use in a bathroom, Wednesday's edition of Yediot Ahronot newspaper reported.

But the rabbi, considered a religious authority in world Judaism, went on to soften his stand.

"To hum without a word in Hebrew crossing your mind is acceptable," he said.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: funpolice; halakha; judaism; rabbi; showers; singing
Thou shalt not sing bad songs in the shower...
1 posted on 01/28/2005 4:50:22 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Notice that he said in Hebrew-

But in Arabic is another thing entirely!

2 posted on 01/28/2005 4:51:35 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

Did he mention fiddles and roofs?


4 posted on 01/28/2005 4:52:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: Nachum

Thinking in Arabic is the recommended cure for constipation.


5 posted on 01/28/2005 4:52:32 PM PST by thoughtomator (How do you say Berkeley California in Aramaic?)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
If God didn't want us to sing in the shower, He wouldn't have made the accoustics so good.

"To hum without a word in Hebrew crossing your mind is acceptable," he said.

So I guess that means its OK to sing "Born to be Wild" in English, then. Works for me.

6 posted on 01/28/2005 4:53:06 PM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
"To hum without a word in Hebrew crossing your mind is acceptable," he said.

Don't think of an elephant!

7 posted on 01/28/2005 4:53:20 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

Singing in the bathtub
Singing all alone
Tearing out a tonsil
Just like a baritone
Never take a shower
It's an awful pain
Singing in the shower's
Like singing in the rain


8 posted on 01/28/2005 4:54:14 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

How about singing on the can?


9 posted on 01/28/2005 4:54:51 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: FoxInSocks

lol....exactly.


10 posted on 01/28/2005 4:55:28 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

Just damn!

This is almost as bad as "Ask the Immam".


11 posted on 01/28/2005 4:55:49 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: thoughtomator

Very funny.

Does thinking in Albanian help cure migraine ?


12 posted on 01/28/2005 4:56:41 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Does thinking in Albanian help cure migraine ?

For most, trying to think in Albanian would probably cause a migraine.

13 posted on 01/28/2005 4:57:49 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: clee1
"This is almost as bad as "Ask the Imam"."
Why almost? It is precisely "ask the imam": he was answering a caller to his radio program.
14 posted on 01/28/2005 4:58:57 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

No, but it gives you the urge to put ugly concrete pillboxes all over the landscape - just in case!


15 posted on 01/28/2005 4:59:44 PM PST by thoughtomator (How do you say Berkeley California in Aramaic?)
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To: Poohbah

I have also heard that murmuring in Magyar at midnight causes myopia.


16 posted on 01/28/2005 4:59:49 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

None of the Jews I know give a damn what their OWN rabbi says, let alone this goofball.

When so many in your culture teach your kids to think for themselves, wuddya expect anyway?


17 posted on 01/28/2005 5:00:11 PM PST by FreeKeys (Put a dozen Jews in a room and what do you get? 13 different opinions, of course!)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

Good grief. This is definitely extreme.


18 posted on 01/28/2005 5:01:03 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: thoughtomator
They were actually Enver Hoxha's Beach Boxes. He built them all over the countryside as he was waiting for global warming to turn his country into a tropical paradise. Alas he passed on...
19 posted on 01/28/2005 5:01:52 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

My wife will support this 100%.


20 posted on 01/28/2005 5:02:17 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Rennes Templar

Were you a fog-horn in a previous life ?


21 posted on 01/28/2005 5:05:11 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Rennes Templar

If I sing in the shower, the shaving mirror I use breaks...


22 posted on 01/28/2005 5:06:32 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

What if You sing in French?


23 posted on 01/28/2005 5:06:45 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

Fog-horn is too kind of a word.


24 posted on 01/28/2005 5:08:37 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

The good Rabbi might be a little strict, but that is better than some pro-gay churches that give their blessing to certain extreme behavior in public restrooms.


25 posted on 01/28/2005 5:08:56 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Non rien de rien, je ne regrette rien !


26 posted on 01/28/2005 5:09:08 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Rabbi Eliahu explained that the Hebrew language, holy to the Jewish religion, was not to be sullied by use in a bathroom[.]

Bizarre! Wouldn't the same logic apply to speaking Hebrew in the shower? (What does "singing" have to do with it?) Shouldn't this mean that observant Jews can't say "How are you?" or "Please hand me that towel" in Hebrew while they're in the shower room -- they have to speak some other language (English or Yiddish or something; maybe Ladino, since this guy is Sephardic) the whole time they're in there?

What is it about a shower that's supposed to be so sullying, anyway? I go there to get clean, not to get dirty.

27 posted on 01/28/2005 5:10:07 PM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: OhioAttorney
By the way, modern Hebrew is apparently quite different to ancient Hebrew. Some orthodox Jewish groups actually don't speak any modern Hebrew as they regard it as not a holy language. On this reasoning the Rabbi making this decree is really off the mark.
28 posted on 01/28/2005 5:12:20 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

One of the main reasons I've never tried to convert to Judaism. Lots of truth there, but lots of mindless, irrational dogma too.


29 posted on 01/28/2005 5:14:28 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: OhioAttorney
What is it about a shower that's supposed to be so sullying, anyway?

Here's something interesting to ponder, if you haven't already heard it. One of the very few references to Jesus in the Hebrew writings concerns a Jewish man who approached Jesus and asked him whether it was permissible to donate the hire of a harlot to the Temple fund. Jesus supposedly replied, "Why not use the money to build a toilet for the High Priest? ... from the place of filth, to the place of filth."

30 posted on 01/28/2005 5:17:15 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: OhioAttorney
Wouldn't the same logic apply to speaking Hebrew in the shower?

It would indeed. .....but this rabbi is meshugine, not logical.

31 posted on 01/28/2005 5:41:15 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
One of the main reasons I've never tried to convert to Judaism.

Why, because on occasion some loony rabbi says a loony thing? 99.99%+ of Jews don't listen to this sort of nonsense.

32 posted on 01/28/2005 5:44:15 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Huh?...Oh, I get it...it's FRieday nite.

FMCDH(BITS)

33 posted on 01/28/2005 6:16:49 PM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
I remember hearing a Dennis Prager show once where he explained the concept of some old testament religious instructions.

Many of these things seem silly on the surface but they have a purpose, such as: Not wearing linen with animal skin. I believe that was one thing. That reinforces a "non-mixer" standard within the follower so that if the follower is instructed to obey this, he/she surely won't stray and mix other things that might be worse.

This new order actually makes sense in that perspective. Wouldn't Hebrew text instruct followers to sing unto God? If you are in the shower, naked, cleaning dirt off yourself, it seems to me that that wouldn't be appropriate considering that Jews wear those yamulkes on their heads to not show a naked head to God.

I think a Christian would most likely believe that if Jesus was asked about this that he would approve of singing in the shower and the louder and more joyous, the better.
34 posted on 01/28/2005 6:17:38 PM PST by Jim_Curtis
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To: Jim_Curtis
Wouldn't Hebrew text instruct followers to sing unto God? If you are in the shower, naked, cleaning dirt off yourself, it seems to me that that wouldn't be appropriate . . .

Your proposal would make better sense if the rabbi had forbidden singing as such in the shower. But the "logic" of his argument actually commits him to a prohibition on singing, speaking, or otherwise uttering biblical Hebrew anywhere in a bathroom (whereas singing, speaking, or otherwise uttering any other language, including modern Hebrew, should be just fine). That's much harder to fit with your interpretation.

35 posted on 01/28/2005 8:31:51 PM PST by OhioAttorney
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
"To hum without a word in Hebrew crossing your mind is acceptable," he said.

That would exclude a lot of English words of Hebrew origin, then.

-ccm

36 posted on 01/28/2005 10:54:51 PM PST by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: OhioAttorney
Your proposal would make better sense if the rabbi had forbidden singing as such in the shower. But the "logic" of his argument actually commits him to a prohibition on singing, speaking, or otherwise uttering biblical Hebrew anywhere in a bathroom (whereas singing, speaking, or otherwise uttering any other language, including modern Hebrew, should be just fine). That's much harder to fit with your interpretation.

I see. Perhaps the Rabbi is establishing a guiding principle of keeping separate certain bodily exposed activities from religious activities that in his religion require cover.

Though it is true that speaking Hebrew in the bathroom wouldn't necessarily be a religious activity, the prohibition makes a point that the follower can relate to all things. The follower won't try to find workarounds but will take the principle to heart.

If this is the case, the Rabbi might think the prohibition is quite subtle.

37 posted on 01/29/2005 7:41:30 AM PST by Jim_Curtis
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