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High court says masturbation at home not an offence if seen by neighbours
http://news.yahoo.com ^ | Thu Jan 27, 6:26 PM ET | WENDY COX

Posted on 01/29/2005 12:25:16 PM PST by mastercylinder

VANCOUVER (CP) - The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that masturbating at home is not an offence, even if the activity can be seen by peeking neighbours.

 

The case centred on whether a private space - Daryl Clark's living room - became public because others could view it. The high court said No in a unanimous ruling Thursday. "The living room of his private home was not a place 'to which the public (had) access as of right or by invitation, express or implied,' " Justice Morris Fish wrote, quoting the Criminal Code.

"I do not believe it (access) contemplates the ability of those who are neither entitled nor invited to enter a place to see or hear from the outside, through uncovered windows or open doors, what is transpiring within."

On Oct. 28, 2000, Clark's neighbours across his backyard in Nanaimo, B.C., noticed "some movement" in Clark's living room.

The woman had been watching television with her two young daughters in their family room, a room lit only by a television screen and light from the adjoining kitchen.

The woman moved to another room for a better view, then called her husband. The pair watched Clark for up to 15 minutes from the privacy of their darkened bedroom.

The court found they took care to avoid being seen by Clark, peering out from underneath their partially lowered blinds. Later, the woman's husband fetched a pair of binoculars and a telescope. He also tried, unsuccessfully, to videotape Clark in action, says the judgment.

The judgment notes the pair were "understandably concerned" because they feared Clark was "masturbating to our children."

The neighbours, who are identified only as Mr. and Mrs. S, called police.

The officer was able to see Clark from his belly up from the neighbour's bedroom and from the neck or shoulders up from the street level.

But Clark was charged after the police officer shone his flashlight in Clark's window at close range.

The trial judge concluded he had "converted" his living room into a public place and the B.C. Court of Appeal upheld the conviction.

Clark was given a four-month sentence.

Gil McKinnon, Clark's lawyer, said his client is happy with the outcome and glad to be getting on with his life, but he's not interested in talking about his court fight.

McKinnon said the Supreme Court rejected the notion that people's private living spaces can be turned into public places just because someone can see inside.

"A person has the freedom in his or her own living room to do whatever they choose to do and is not caught by the criminal law if they have no intent to offend or insult someone who may not be on that private property."

The protection isn't extended to someone who commits an indecent act on their own property with the intention of letting the neighbours see it.

 

But in this case, the evidence suggested Clark had no idea he was being watched, the court found.

John Russell, president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, said he was surprised the case got before the courts in the first place.

But he said he was relieved the ruling went the way it did.

If it had gone the other way, "we would have to be a lot more careful about closing the drapes or covering up.

"In fact, most Canadians are careful in those ways and it would appear that the poor man had just failed to take the formal precautions."


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: manshomeishiscastle; masturbation; nosyneighbors; peepingtoms; pervert; privacy; puritans; sicko
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1 posted on 01/29/2005 12:25:16 PM PST by mastercylinder
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To: mastercylinder

This is disgusting!

Masturbation!

In the privacy of your own home!

Seen by his nosey neighbour.

The pervert should be strung up!


2 posted on 01/29/2005 12:28:46 PM PST by Still in Denial ("How fortunate for leaders that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler)
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To: mastercylinder

  Phew. That's a load off my mind.

 

3 posted on 01/29/2005 12:29:35 PM PST by Fintan (A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. - Groucho Marx)
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To: mastercylinder
I think they should require a coin to see through the window. that was it's consentual.
4 posted on 01/29/2005 12:30:25 PM PST by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: Fintan

well that's canada for you


5 posted on 01/29/2005 12:30:31 PM PST by mastercylinder (support our troops nuke Mecca)
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To: Fintan

Well, I guess we know where your brains are...


6 posted on 01/29/2005 12:32:32 PM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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To: mastercylinder

Wow..the judges ruling is a stroke of genius!


7 posted on 01/29/2005 12:34:21 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (World Series Champion Boston Red Sox!! Has a nice ring to it.)
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To: Still in Denial

The man was doing it in front of the window with his light on. He knew enough to turn the light off when the police arrived. The guy wanted to be seen. Whether or not he know he succeeded at being seen might be hard to prove. But the fact that he wanted to be seen seems obvious.


8 posted on 01/29/2005 12:35:46 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: mastercylinder

Let the man have his fun! J.E.

9 posted on 01/29/2005 12:36:06 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Denny Crane: "I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: mastercylinder

LOL, first time I read the whole story. The complaining neighbor sounds like Glady Kravitz, the nosy neighbor on Bewitched.


10 posted on 01/29/2005 12:36:49 PM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: mastercylinder

Amazing, they let the jerk off.


11 posted on 01/29/2005 12:38:44 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (World Series Champion Boston Red Sox!! Has a nice ring to it.)
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To: mastercylinder
The officer was able to see Clark from his belly up from the neighbour's bedroom and from the neck or shoulders up from the street level.

Officer, if you stand on this chair, you can see everything! I promise you. Everything! It's disgusting!

12 posted on 01/29/2005 12:38:53 PM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: mastercylinder

I'm offended by the way the Canadians spell "offense."


13 posted on 01/29/2005 12:39:39 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: big'ol_freeper

Guilty!-of the crime of self-inflicted joy!


14 posted on 01/29/2005 12:40:31 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: mastercylinder
High court says masturbation at home not an offence if seen by neighbours

My question is, is it still legal to masturbate at your neighbors house if they don't see you?

15 posted on 01/29/2005 12:40:49 PM PST by Lazamataz (Running around in a circle waving my arms and screaming like a little girl)
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To: mastercylinder

This is wacked, just plain wacked!!!


16 posted on 01/29/2005 12:41:06 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: mastercylinder

Think he will beat it out of town now?


17 posted on 01/29/2005 12:41:58 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: mastercylinder

He shoots, he SCORES! eh?


18 posted on 01/29/2005 12:43:29 PM PST by PGalt
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To: big'ol_freeper

Wish I had said that!!! LOL


19 posted on 01/29/2005 12:44:28 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: big'ol_freeper

He isn't much of a fisherman, but he is a master baiter.


20 posted on 01/29/2005 12:46:01 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Fintan
Phew. That's a load off my mind.

I'll say. Few people realize what a massive influx of illegal Canadian immigrants we would have been subjected to had this ruling gone the other way.

21 posted on 01/29/2005 12:47:06 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: mastercylinder

MODERATER......PLEASE PULL THIS!


22 posted on 01/29/2005 12:48:11 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: Lokibob

Any way you rub it he had it coming.


23 posted on 01/29/2005 12:48:32 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: DainBramage

Pull it some more ! bada bing!


24 posted on 01/29/2005 12:50:49 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: Normal4me

Well, at least he got off.


25 posted on 01/29/2005 12:51:15 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: mastercylinder

Do you think judge brought some others in to mass debate the topic before coming to a conclusion?


26 posted on 01/29/2005 12:52:31 PM PST by killjoy (War is not the answer, simply part of the solution)
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To: big'ol_freeper
"Amazing, they let the jerk off."

Again and again and again ~ until he almost went blind.

27 posted on 01/29/2005 12:53:55 PM PST by blackie
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
????

The man was doing it in front of the window with his light on. He knew enough to turn the light off when the police arrived.

28 posted on 01/29/2005 12:54:46 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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To: mastercylinder
High court says masturbation at home not an offence if seen by neighbours

On the other hand, if you do it when no one's watching it's a felony.

Those crazy Canadians! No wonder so many of them are in our entertainment industry.

29 posted on 01/29/2005 12:56:10 PM PST by x
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To: Lazamataz

Did his hand go to sleep after he was done?


30 posted on 01/29/2005 12:56:18 PM PST by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Fintan

Let him with the free hand throw the first stone....


31 posted on 01/29/2005 12:56:47 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: mastercylinder

Sounds like good news. Let me just get my glasses.


32 posted on 01/29/2005 12:57:57 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: mastercylinder

Ah, yes, Canada's Supreme Court once again is hearing cases of vital national security. I heard a while back that another case of super-importance was heard about whether calling Indians 'Tonto' was a racial slur.

(sarcasm off)

Is there any wonder why Canada is not a great country?


33 posted on 01/29/2005 12:58:00 PM PST by No Dems 2004
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To: DainBramage

Sometimes things just have to jerked off.


34 posted on 01/29/2005 12:59:18 PM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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To: Lokibob

"Did his hand go to sleep after he was done?"

No, but it's trying to light a Marlboro by itself.


35 posted on 01/29/2005 12:59:27 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Ready4Freddy

This story is presented totally from the exhibitionist guy's side. In another report I read that he was in front of the window with the light on, and he turned the light off when the police arrived. Who stands in front of a window with the light on to do that sort of thing? Only someone who means to be seen, imo. Obviously others agreed with me, just not the judge.


36 posted on 01/29/2005 12:59:48 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: jocon307

Abner!

37 posted on 01/29/2005 1:00:10 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Ready4Freddy

He became chicken during the choke.


38 posted on 01/29/2005 1:00:35 PM PST by Dysfunctional
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To: jocon307

My heavens!

39 posted on 01/29/2005 1:01:13 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: jocon307
LOL, first time I read the whole story. The complaining neighbor sounds like Glady Kravitz, the nosy neighbor on Bewitched.

It depends on which version you read. This story sounds like they only spoke with the lawyers defending the guy STANDING IN FRONT OF THE WINDOW WITH THE LIGHT ON.

40 posted on 01/29/2005 1:02:04 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

He seems to have gotten a firm grip on the issue at hand.


41 posted on 01/29/2005 1:04:10 PM PST by ichabod1 (The Spirit of the Lord Hath Left This Place)
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To: mastercylinder
The woman moved to another room for a better view

The later moved into the kitchen to tenderize her steak with a hammer.

42 posted on 01/29/2005 1:04:25 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Ah, assumes facts not in evidence (or at least not on this thread :).


43 posted on 01/29/2005 1:08:43 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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To: mastercylinder

Why is this news? Canadians ARE wankers.


44 posted on 01/29/2005 1:11:27 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Bringing the Gospel to idiots one slug in the guts at a time...)
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To: mastercylinder

"The pair watched Clark for up to 15 minutes from the privacy of their darkened bedroom."

15 minutes?! Sounds like they were more interested than upset.


45 posted on 01/29/2005 1:11:30 PM PST by Goldwater4ever (Voted early, voted often... for Bush)
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To: Ready4Freddy

I'm not assuming facts. They were facts I read in another news report. Obviously many thought the man intended to be seen (not just me) or the case would not have made it all the way to the Supreme Court. This story just tells the defense perspective.


46 posted on 01/29/2005 1:11:34 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Still in Denial
In the privacy of your own home!

See, that's just the thing. Was it in fact in the privacy of his home? We agree it was in his home, but is everything inside your home private?

If you play loud music from inside your home, that's not "private," because the neighbors can hear. Likewise, it you put on a display in front of the windows, it's no longer private.

If he closed his blinds before he got his jerk on, it would be private; if he does it in front of the window, it's somewhat public.

People have a lot of rights inside their homes that they don't have out on the streets. One of those rights is to sexual activity in private. But another one of those rights is to be free from offensive displays, to a certain degree.

47 posted on 01/29/2005 1:21:01 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: big'ol_freeper

hehe.....nice play on words......I wonder if it still applies if you are doing it on the roof


48 posted on 01/29/2005 1:23:14 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I would be very interested to see what the other news report had to say. based on this, it sounds like the neighbors are the ones who should be charged with a crime. They were the peeping toms, hiding behind their blinds, using binoculars and a freaking telescope, trying to tape it....seriously, WTF? Sounds like they were going out of their way to watch something that ordinarily wouldn't be noticable. NOw if the man was actually standing in front of the window on purpose, that's a whole different story. But if he was so clearly visible to the neighbors, why did they need binoculars?


49 posted on 01/29/2005 1:24:31 PM PST by sassbox
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

'tis OK to post a link to the other stoy(ies) for us.....


50 posted on 01/29/2005 1:27:55 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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