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Steve Gardner : Sorry Brother, Hanoi Kerry lied about you again today on Meet the Press
Meet the Press 01/30/05 ^ | 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Posted on 01/30/2005 8:37:43 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

...SEN. KERRY: We were right on the border, Tim. What I explained to people and I told this any number of times, did I go into Cambodia on a mission? Yes, I did go into Cambodia on a mission. Was it on that night? No, it was not on that night. But we were right on the Cambodian border that night. We were ambushed there, as a matter of fact. And that is a matter of record, and we went into the rec-- you know, it's part of the Navy records. It's been documented by the other guys who were on my boat. And Steve Gardner, frankly, doesn't know where we were...

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Statement By RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman On John Kerry's Appearance On Meet The Press

“On a day when all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, are celebrating the growth of freedom and honoring the sacrifices of American and Iraqi troops with elections in Iraq, it's sad that John Kerry has chosen once again to offer vacillation and defeatism. Even after the first free elections in Iraq in more than 50 years John Kerry still believes Iraq is more of terrorist threat than when the brutal tyrant Saddam Hussein was in power and even more remarkably Kerry is now once again for funding our troops, after being for the funding before he was against it.”

-Ken Mehlman, RNC Chairman
1 posted on 01/30/2005 8:37:44 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Defender2; Blue Scourge; armyman; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; ...

Hey Steve

I was in Viet Nam when you and the traitor were there.

I'm sick of this traitor lying.

I'm sick that NO ONE in Main Stream Media stuck up for you today.

I'm sick that the new RNC Chairman, Ken Mehlman, didn't set the record straight

on you and the other Swift Boat Vets.

I'm an Independent who supports President Bush.

BUT in my book the RNC elite and Main Stream Right Wing Media owe you an apology.

68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

USS CORRY DD 817

GMG3

'66-'69


2 posted on 01/30/2005 8:39:30 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump!!


3 posted on 01/30/2005 8:40:51 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: All
Click Here for
All the Swift Boat Vets Ads!
And All of the rest!

4 posted on 01/30/2005 8:41:14 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I only watched part of this today (Small doses you know) and this jerk actually flip-flopped three times in a couple of minutes. Kerry 08!
5 posted on 01/30/2005 8:41:42 PM PST by drt1
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

This batch of lies was disproved before he even spoke it. WTF?


6 posted on 01/30/2005 8:42:26 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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Why is there no justice for the 58,000 + names on the Viet Nam Wall?



Why is there no justice for to the millions,
who served with honor in Viet Nam?

When will the Right Wing Main Stream Media demand
that Hanoi Kerry apologize to the names on the Wall
And to Viet Nam Vets who served with honor?
Why are we still "war criminals" and Hanoi Kerry is a "hero"?
When will the GOP controlled Senate set the record straight?

7 posted on 01/30/2005 8:43:17 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

yea, the gunner of the boat mysteriously doesn't know where they were... Kerry what about the sugar plums dancing in your head?


8 posted on 01/30/2005 8:43:29 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com/)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Here's my favorite part:

SEN. KERRY: I still have the hat that he gave me, and I hope the guy would come out of the woodwork and say, “I’m the guy who went up with John Kerry. We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia. We went out of Ha Tien, which is right in Vietnam. We went north up into the border. And I have some photographs of that, and that’s what we did. So, you know, the two were jumbled together, but we were on the Cambodian border on Christmas Eve, absolutely.

So, the CIA was delivering weapons to the Maoist Khmer Rouge? What the...?! I also find it interesting that he took the Mekong to the "coastline of Cambodia." Not geographically possible, Senator. This guy just keeps digging.

9 posted on 01/30/2005 8:43:51 PM PST by inkling
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Did Kerry state again today he was in Cambodia?
This is debunked during the campaign. Has this guy lost his marbles?
How many more times do we have to listen to this idiot tell us he was in Vietnam and what the Hell does that have to do with right now and Iraq?


10 posted on 01/30/2005 8:44:37 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Here's a bump Tonk.


11 posted on 01/30/2005 8:44:44 PM PST by fatima (Go Eagles Go.Superbowl Baby (1 Corinthians 13:4-7).)
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US GOP controlled Senate

AND

Main Stream Right Wing Media

Hang your heads in shame!

When you wake up in the morning,
and look in the mirror,
before you go to the US Senate,
or to the TV or Radio studios,
know that you did nothing to remove this traitor.

Well REAL Americans know what you did NOT do!

U.S. Constitution Amendment XIV

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any state legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any state,
to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.







12 posted on 01/30/2005 8:44:47 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry is really working hard on "proving" he's a hero and not a liar, which I think speaks for itslef. From my personal observations in life I've found that true heroes are almost always too humble to toot their own horns, and none of them are concerned with 'proving' their hero status by talking about it incessantly on tv.


13 posted on 01/30/2005 8:45:27 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Boy, can Kerry ever dance! He even does flips, stands on his hands, crosses his knees, and just taps, taps, taps away. At the same time keeping up a steady rhythm with his large mouth...moving those lips...hoping, hoping, praying that no one will see what a huckster he is. And now, forever, a has-been and a loser.


14 posted on 01/30/2005 8:45:47 PM PST by Winston7000 (Near Chicago)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk BUMP!


15 posted on 01/30/2005 8:47:56 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (I am now a "SNAPDRAGON" Part of me has lost its snap and the other part is draggin')
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Johnson, Lyndon
1963-69
Nixon, Richard
1969-74

Odd, I was in Vietnam on Dec 24 and 25 1968
and Johnson was my Commander-in-Chief

John Kerry

Exhibit 25, Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594.

"Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia.

I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me . . . ."

By way of further example, Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

See Exhibit 26.


16 posted on 01/30/2005 8:48:09 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

check this out, your pal is getting a little ribbing...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1332235/posts


17 posted on 01/30/2005 8:48:20 PM PST by bitt (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

18 posted on 01/30/2005 8:49:47 PM PST by Tuba Guy (Magic hat, Christmas in Cambodia, splinter-wounds --- whadda dickhead)
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September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam.

After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness" to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...


AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN combat veteran of the Vietnam War (Kerry pressured him to give false Winter Soldier testimony)
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

Pitkin Affadavit

AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN
STATE OF FLORIDA

COUNTY OF PALM BEACH

Before me, the undersigned authority, personally appeared Steven J. Pitkin, known, to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to this instrument, who, after first being duly sworn by me, upon oath stated:

1. My name is Steven J. Pitkin. I am over the age of twenty-one years, and I am fully competent and able to make this affidavit. I am able to swear, as I do hereby swear, that all facts and statements contained in this affidavit are true and correct and within my personal knowledge.

2. I am a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, having served with the Ninth Division of the U.S. Army beginning 25 May 1969. A mortar explosion wounded me, my wounds gradually became infected, and I was treated in an Army hospital in Okinawa. I contracted hepatitis C from blood transfusions I received during that time. I was honorably discharged from the Army on 28 August 1969.

3. Medals received for my Army service include: Combat Infantry Badge, Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry, Air Medal, Purple Heart.

4. During my service in Vietnam, I neither witnessed nor participated in any American war crimes or atrocities against civilians, nor was I ever aware of any such actions. I did witness the results of Vietcong atrocities against Vietnamese civilians, including the murder of tribal leaders.

5. Upon my return to the United States I encountered anti-war protestors who, at various times, threw feces, spit, and screamed obscenities.

6. I met Scott Camil, an organizer of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), at Catonsville Community College in Baltimore in 1970, and joined that organization.

7. In January of 1971, I rode in a van with Scott Camil, John Kerry, a national leader of the VVAW, and others from Washington D.C. to Detroit to attend the Winter Soldier Investigation, a conference intended to publicize alleged American war crimes in Vietnam. Having no knowledge of such war crimes, I did not intend to speak at the event.

8. During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. One event leader strongly implied that I would not be provided transportation back to my home in Baltimore, Maryland, if I failed to comply. Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue.

9. In April 1971, I attended a VVAW protest in Washington D.C. known as “Dewey Canyon III.” During this event I was present when protestors, including John Kerry, threw medals and ribbons over a fence outside the U.S. Capitol. I witnessed a man holding a bag of ribbons and medals and handing them out to other protestors. I saw that many of the ribbons and medals were not those that would be received by veterans of combat in Vietnam.

10. During the “Dewey Canyon III” protest, others and I confronted protestors who were wearing or carrying Vietcong flags.

11. After the “Dewey Canyon III” protest, I was no longer invited to meetings of the VVAW in Baltimore, and ended my association with the organization.

12. I joined the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, was graduated from paratrooper “jump school” with honors in 1976, joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until my retirement in May 1997.

(signed) Steven J. Pitkin

Further affiant saith not.

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 31st day of August, 2004.

Jonathan Feldman
Commission # DD235268
My commission expires July 28, 2007


Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff


Steve Pitkin DD-214
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/PitkinDD214.jpg



Steve Pitkin WSI testimony
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinWSI



Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)
http://www.wintersoldier.com/video/pitkin2.wmv


19 posted on 01/30/2005 8:49:56 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I just read the transcript and I cannot believe this guy is still claiming to have been in Cambodia in Dec. 1968 when we all know he was miles away somewhere else.
I think Kerry is Certifiable and I Thank God everyday he did not win the election, I can only shudder at what this Moron might have done as CIC and President.


20 posted on 01/30/2005 8:51:00 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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JOHN KERRY & VIETNAM--THE WOUNDS THAT NEVER HEAL
Ad, ran in Marine Corps Times | September 6, 2004 |
Dexter Lehtinen
former U.S. Attorney, Southern District of Florida


In 1971, I awakened after three days of unconsciousness aboard a hospital ship off the coast of Vietnam. I could not see, my jaws were wired shut, and my left cheekbone was missing, a gaping hole in its place.


Later, while still in that condition at St. Albans Naval Hospital, one of my earliest recollections was hearing of John Kerry's testimony before Congress. I remember lying there, in disbelief, as I learned how Kerry told the world that I served in an Army reminiscent of Genghis Khan's; that officers like me routinely let their men plunder villages and rape villagers at will; that "war crimes" committed in Vietnam by my fellow soldiers "were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."


Then Kerry went to Paris, meeting with North Vietnamese enemy officials, all while our soldiers still fought in the field. The pain and disbelief I felt listening to his words went deeper than the pain I felt from the enemy fire which seriously wounded my face.


Eighteen months later I was discharged from the hospital, the wounds inflicted by the enemy fully healed. But more than 30 years later, the wounds inflicted by John Kerry continue to bring pain to scores of Vietnam veterans. Those wounds--the bearing of false witness against me and a generation of courageous young Americans who fought and died in Vietnam--are much more serious than any wound warranting a Purple Heart. Those wounds go to the heart and soul. Those wounds never go away.


Today, my son is a Marine Corps weapons officer, flying the F/A 18 Hornet. He belongs to the same Marine Corps Kerry ridiculed with his 1971 book cover showing protestors simulating the Iwo Jima Memorial, raising an upside-down American flag. He flies the same F/A 18 fighter jet Kerry voted against in the U.S. Senate. And today, Kerry's picture hangs in an honored place in Saigon's war museum, as a hero to the Vietnamese Communists.


Yet, John Kerry shamelessly drapes himself in the imagery of Vietnam, military service and the support of veterans, devoid of any media scrutiny. Meanwhile, the criticism and disapproval of Kerry by scores of veterans continues to fall on deaf ears. Worse yet, any legitimate criticism of Kerry's post-war record is discredited as a "personal" attack or an attack against his service.


John Kerry is quick to surround himself with a handful of veterans and claims overwhelming support from the veteran community. He ignores, nowever, the wounds he inflicted on millions of veterans, and he refuses to sign a waiver to release his military personnel and medical recoreds. This is the portrait of a man who has failed to come to terms with his treacherous past.


Army paratrooper and Ranger Dexter Lehtinen was severely wounded in 1971 while a reconnaisance platoon leader in Vietnam. He later was graduated first in his class from Stanford Law School and served as a Florida State Senator and the United States Attorney in Miami.


I, Dexter Lehtinen, paid for this ad personally, without any connection to other individuals or groups, because I want the public to know what John Kerry did to our Vietnam veterans.


21 posted on 01/30/2005 8:51:04 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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http://www.nopunditintended.com/?q=Letter-From-MOH-Recipient-Col-Bud-Day

Dear Joe: The major issue in the Swiftboat stories is, and always has been, what John Kerry did in 1971 after he returned from Vietnam.

Kerry cast a long dark shadow over all Vietnam Veterans with his outright perjury before the Senate concerning atrocities in Vietnam. His stories to the Senate committee were absolute lies.. fabrications.. perjury.. fantasies, with NO substance. That dark shadow has defamed the entire Vietnam War veteran population, and gave "Aid and Comfort" to our enemies..the Vietnamese Communists. Kerry's stories were outright fabrications, and were intended for political gain with the radical left..McGovern, Teddy and Bobby Kennedy followers, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and the radical left who fantasized that George McGovern was going to be elected in 1972. Little wonder that returning soldiers from Vietnam were spit upon and castigated as "baby killers". A returned war hero said so.

Kerry cut a dashing figure as a war hero, lots of medals, and returned home because of multiple war wounds..even a silver star. His Senate testimony confirmed what every hippie had been chanting on the streets.."Hey hey LBJ..How many kids did you kill today"????? He obviously was running for political office in 1971.

Until Lt. John O' Neil, himself a Swifboat commander, spoke out before the 1972 elections against Kerry's outright deceptions, there was no one from the Swiftboat scene that could contradict Kerry's self serving lies.

I was a POW of the Vietnamese in Hanoi in 1971, and I am aware that the testimony of John Kerry, the actions of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, and the radical left; all caused the commies to conclude that if they hung on..they would win. North Vietnamese General Bui Tin commented that every day the Communist leadership listened to world news over the radio to follow the growth of the anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark gave them confidence to hold in the face of battlefield reverses. The guts of it was that propaganda from the anti-war group was part of their combat strategy.

While the Commies were hanging on, innumerable U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Air Foce members were being killed in combat. Every battle wound to Americans after Kerry's misdirected testimony is related to Kerry's untruthfulness. John Kerry contributed to every one of these deaths with his lies about U.S. atrocities in Vietnam. He likewise defamed the U.S. with our allies and supporters.
His conduct also extended the imprisonment of the Vietnam Prisoners of War, of which I was one. I am certain of at least one POW death after his testimony, which might have been prevented with an earlier release of the POWs.

My friend and room mate Senator John S. McCain denounced the Swiftboat video by John O'Neil. I have a different take on the Swiftboat tape and disagree with my good friend John.
John Kerry opened up his character as a war hero reporting for duty to the country with a hand salute...and his band of brothers..of which he was the chief hero. Most of his convention speech was about John Kerry..Vietnam hero, and his band of brothers. John Kerry's character is not only fair game, it is the primary issue. He wants to use Bill Clinton's "is", as an answer to his lack of character.

The issue is trust. Can anyone trust John Kerry?? "Never lie, cheat or steal" is the West Point motto. When a witness perjures himself at trial, the judge notes that his testimony lacks crediblity. Should we elect a known proven liar to lead us in wartime??

I draw a direct comparison of General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionary War, to Lieutenant John Kerry. Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement, and his direct liason with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris. His reward. Political gain. Senator..United States.

His record as a Senator for twenty years has been pitiful. Conjure up, if you will, one major bill that he has sponsored.
John Kerry for President? Ridiculous. Unthinkable. Unbelievable. Outrageous.

Col. Geo. "Bud" Day Medal of Honor Vietnam POW 1967-1973 USMC- USA- USA Attorney 1949-2004


22 posted on 01/30/2005 8:52:27 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: drt1
and this jerk actually flip-flopped three times in a couple of minutes. Kerry 08!

Please elaborate on this comment.
23 posted on 01/30/2005 8:53:30 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I hope his dishonorable discharge is found and made public before he runs in 2008.
24 posted on 01/30/2005 8:54:40 PM PST by msnimje
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From Kerry's "The New Soldier":
Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66

Emotions: Walking down the flight line at Saigon past stacks of aluminum cases containing American bodies and past stacks of aluminum luggage containing American currency. Seeing the tight, sad face of an Airman loading the bodies aboard a dirty Air Force Transport and the wide smiling face of a stewardess greeting the passengers aboard a clean Pan American Clipper Jet. Hearing a Vietnamese beg you to leave his country and an American colonel tells you to bomb his country. Hearing a Vietnamese invite you to live in his home, after the war and an American explain why you can’t live in his block, after the war. Flying over barren, brown, safe American held terrain and over lush, green unsafe enemy terrain. Feeling happy to be leaving a country in which you do not belong and sad to be returning to a country in which you are not allowed to belong. Sacrificing a portion of your consciousness so you won’t have to deal with being there and building mental blocks so you won’t have to deal with having been there.

- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam. The only Vietnamese he ever met was when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation: "He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position. But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."


25 posted on 01/30/2005 8:54:51 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk, either JF'nK just got caught in a provable lie or the US gov't was sending guns to the communists during a war against communists. This traitor bastidge needs to be called on this. Now that the election is over, some Hillary-loving MSM-type may find the time to do it. Dan Rather, start digging!


26 posted on 01/30/2005 8:55:23 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.

Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/W/Winter-Soldier-Investigation.htm


27 posted on 01/30/2005 8:55:47 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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"...For Kerry, his Yuletide mission was an epiphany: the moment when he realized his government was lying to the people about what was going on. This is the turning point, the moment that set the young Kerry on the path from brave young war volunteer to fierce anti-war activist.

And it turns out it's total bunk."

CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
August 15, 2004


http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn15.html


28 posted on 01/30/2005 8:56:35 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: inkling

This guy must think everyone in the country is stupid. I did notice in his BS session that he would sign a 180 if others would do the same.


29 posted on 01/30/2005 8:57:14 PM PST by snowman1
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Does anyone know the genesis of this Christmas in Cambodia story ? I checked and the first reference to it I see was a movie review for Apocalypse Now.
If Kerry really were there he would have used it at the Senate Hearings in 1971 or at any of the protests. This story reappears in the Contra aid debate.
He should be ashamed of bad mouthing Gardiner. Gardiner also served with him longer than any other crewman.
30 posted on 01/30/2005 8:58:08 PM PST by Marano NYC
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"...At the time, Kerry was serving as the point man for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The president of the organization was Al Hubbard, who claimed to be an Air Force captain who was severely injured during his service in Vietnam.

It turned out Hubbard was a sergeant who never served in Vietnam.

He did, however, as Kerry knew, serve the communist cause with great enthusiasm and distinction – making propaganda trips to Hanoi paid for by the Communist Party USA. "

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39982


31 posted on 01/30/2005 8:58:14 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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Harvard Crimson : Kerry refused order to destroy Viet Cong village

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER
Crimson Staff Writer

"...One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village
but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be
friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies,
and better educational facilities."


32 posted on 01/30/2005 8:59:34 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Why is there no justice for the 58,000 + names on the Viet Nam Wall?"

There will be.


33 posted on 01/30/2005 9:00:08 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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GRIDLEY Crew members (67-68) say Kerry exaggerated in TOUR OF DUTY

"...John Kerry and I were shipmates in the guided missile cruiser USS
Gridley (CG-21) in 1967 and 1968. He served as First Lieutenant, the
officer in charge of the deck division, and I was Executive Officer,
or second in command..."

"...But there is also no doubt in my mind that his anti-war
activities while our troops were still fighting, dying and being
tortured in filthy Vietnam prisons were despicable.

For that reason, even aside from his anti-defense voting record in
the Senate, he is one ex-shipmate that I could never support as
commander-in-chief of the armed forces."

J. F. Kelly, Jr.

USS Gridley (CG-21) Executive Officer in 1967 and 1968.

GRIDLEY Website page on John Kerry

http://home.nycap.rr.com/pwcarter/the%20kerry%20page.html

Other crew members speak about John Kerry

(Looks like Kerry's shipmates, who did serve with him,
say he lied and told whoopers about his time on the GRIDLEY.

Remember these are not Swift Boat Vets,

BUT Kerry's crewmates who served with him on the GRIDLEY)

Examples follow:

"As everyone must surely know by now, John F. Kerry came on board
GRIDLEY as a boot Ensign when we returned from our 1967 Westpac
Cruise. He remained on GRIDLEY through the 1968 cruise. Politics
aside, shipmates of the time who have read TOUR OF DUTY, the
authorized campaign biography, will have something to say about the
chapter on GRIDLEY. "



1. Kerry never talked about his time on GRIDLEY. He says on page
74 that it is because “nothing much of note” happened while
he was
onboard. He uses words like monotony and tedious, when, despite
being a boot ensign he was given every opportunity for responsibility
by Captain Slifer and Commander Kelly (XO). He came aboard
designated for Electrical Officer (80100), a grunt position in the
Engineering Department and spent four months in that position. He
was assigned duty as First Lieutenant, as Commander Kelly recalls,
because of his knowledge of seamanship and his experiences with small
boats and sailing. Besides being responsible for the decks of the
ship, the First Lieutenant is also responsible for the ship’s
small
boats. He also was assigned collateral duties as Public Affairs
Officer. Despite all the responsibilities he was given, he gives the
impression that serving on GRIDLEY was somehow beneath him. He
certainly had less of an opportunity to collect “gongs” there.

2. Page 78 – “motivate 400 swabbies” – The First
Lieutenant is
responsible only for the personnel of 1st Division, not the entire
crew. 1st Division had a roster of about 30 in 1968. To the extent
that other divisions had responsibility for deck space, their
officers would have been responsible for motivating them.

3. Page 87 has Kerry “shuttling sailors and provisions”
between
GRIDLEY and KITTY HAWK in a small motor whaleboat out in the Gulf of
Tonkin. The regular method of travel between the two ships was via
helo. That is how I went over to the KITTY HAWK. If such an event
did occur, it would have been unusual and hardly a shuttle.

4. Later on page 87 Kerry talks about Olongapo in the Philippines.
He talks about bloated corpses floating in the river and starving
women with babies dying of malnutrition. Now Olongapo was a wild and
wooly town that existed solely for the entertainment of the US Navy,
but in over three years of calling there, I never saw a single
instance of either thing happening. Kerry uncovered this in his
first visit. If this was from his letters home then he was certainly
writing for dramatic effect. Balderdash.

5. The trip to Danang – GRIDLEY went into Danang for briefings
before going to Northern SAR. This section is so full of hyperbole
that the urge to giggle is almost uncontrollable. “The panic and
pressure onboard GRIDLEY, strapping on a .45, wondering if I would
have to use it, B-52’s howling overhead”. A B-52 over Danang
would
have been so high that only contrails would have been visible, cloud
cover permitting. David Simons confirmed my recollection that during
our brief stay in Danang Harbor, the sky was overcast to the point of
being ominous.

More seriously, no one can remember John Kerry going ashore. I was
part of the shore party that went to Monkey Mountain. We were taken
in a screened in truck (to protect against grenades being tossed in)
and made to unload our .45’s. The driver said that he did not
want
us newbies to shoot anyone by accident.

Neither Commander Kelly nor LCDR Rueckert (Kerry’s immediate
boss)
can recall approving a trip ashore for Ensign Kerry. The author uses
remarks of David Simons IC2 as a lead in to the Danang section. I
spoke to David and he has no personal knowledge of Kerry going ashore
at all. He did talk to a researcher and made some generic remarks
about Danang but had never discussed Danang with Kerry. He recalls
arguing with the researcher because he tried to put the
words “cowboy” in his mouth, which ended up in the book.

There is no mystery about the “gruesome site of a pile of dead
VC.”
We saw no sign of anything like this. However, our escort to Monkey
Mountain did tell us how the VC bodies were stacked up on the
LZ’s
after the TET Offensive, which had been several months before.
Ensign Kerry would have been told this story by members of the shore
party.

If, indeed, he got to the pier, because he was in charge of the
motor whaleboat, it certainly would not have been within his purview
to wander Danang, eating dog meat and drinking beer in a bar (under
arms). It also seems amazing that he had all these observations on
Vietnam in such a brief visit.

6. In command – Again with the hyperbole. Kerry makes much
about
being “in charge” of the ship after the Captain and XO. The
OOD is
in charge of the operation of the ship during his four hour watch but
hardly in charge of the ship. Kerry qualified almost immediately as
OOD(P), in port OOD but that is a given. For much of his time
onboard he would have been Junior Officer of the Deck when underway.
Although his fitness report as of 22 March says "he is qualified as
OOD(I) now" (Independent steaming – with no ships or land
anywhere
near) , only OOD(P) is listed under duties. His Fitness Report from
July 1968 lists two months as OOD(I) which would mean he qualified
after leaving the war zone.


34 posted on 01/30/2005 9:01:17 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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Thanks for the ping Tonkin. I missed the interview today but I doubt Kerry will ever stop lying.


35 posted on 01/30/2005 9:02:01 PM PST by potlatch (Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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Head of Kerry's Vietnam Vets Against the War was Vietnam Vet phony

"Many of the stories were later shown to be fictional. Other so-called Vietnam veterans, such as the executive secretary of VVAW, Al Hubbard, a self-styled poet ("See what you've become, Amerika," ends one of his Vietnam odes), turned out to have no record of service in Vietnam."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20040313-103742-2364r.htm


36 posted on 01/30/2005 9:03:51 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
"This is debunked during the campaign. Has this guy lost his marbles?"

Tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't the rest of the guys on his boat deny they were ever in Cambodia?

37 posted on 01/30/2005 9:05:40 PM PST by mass55th ("If I were two faced, would I be wearing this one?"----Abe Lincoln (1809-1865))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tim Russert made Kerry say he would sign the 180! But he wants his accusers to sign one too.


38 posted on 01/30/2005 9:07:46 PM PST by tinamina
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To: msnimje

Why wait?


39 posted on 01/30/2005 9:10:32 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: tinamina

I'm ready to sign Form 180


40 posted on 01/30/2005 9:10:48 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: mass55th

That bit about the Khmer Rouge,,I kept thinking I imagined it till I saw the transcript. Fat chance our CIA was taking arms to the KR when they were supporting the VC at the border during that time. Kerry claimed treason today on nat tv and noone noticed but us!


41 posted on 01/30/2005 9:11:41 PM PST by cajungirl (my peeps are freeps)
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To: inkling

I caught that too about the CIA delivering guns to the Khmer Rouge, can that possibly be true?


42 posted on 01/30/2005 9:11:52 PM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: inkling
So, the CIA was delivering weapons to the Maoist Khmer Rouge? What the...?!

Exactly. This is nonsense. The Communist Party of Cambodia was founded in the early 1950s, although in its early years it remained subordinate to the Communist Party of Vietnam. In the 1970s the Party adopted the name "Party of Democratic Kampuchea," ("Kampuchea" being an alternative spelling of Cambodia), but became commonly known by the French name Khmer Rouge. From the mid 1960s the Cambodian Communists conducted a low-level insurgency along the Vietnamese border, mainly in support of the Vietnamese Communists in their war with the United States.

On March 18, 1970, Cambodia's neutralist ruler, Prince Norodom Sihanouk, was deposed while out of the country by a coup d'état, widely believed to have been organised by the United States, which brought General Lon Nol to power. With American financial support, Lon Nol attempted to fight the Vietnamese Communists and the Khmer Rouge insurgency they were supporting. However, U.S. bombing in Cambodia and the subsequent Cambodian casualties made Lon Nol's government unpopular, and caused support for the Khmer Rouge to grow, particularly in the countryside. Support for Sihanouk, who had been exiled to Beijing, was also strong in rural areas, and he urged resistance against Lon Nol's regime. By 1973 the Khmer Rouge exercised de facto control over the majority of Cambodian territory, although only a minority of its population

43 posted on 01/30/2005 9:12:02 PM PST by kabar
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Washington Post 8/21/04

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published
Kerry's full military records on their Web site
(with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year),
they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records.
A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information.
A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan,
said he was not authorized to release the full file,
which consists of at least a hundred pages. "


44 posted on 01/30/2005 9:12:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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45 posted on 01/30/2005 9:13:31 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: mass55th

Yes they did. If I remember corrrectly they said they were in some town or village in Vietnam at least 50 miles or more from Cambodia.


46 posted on 01/30/2005 9:13:51 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: quantim
As best I can remember one had to do with the actual date he was supposedly 'In' Cambodia and next it was just outside the border. He also had to change the actual President (Johnson NOT Nixon - The one who denied troops were in Cambodia, further undermining his claim of somehow being in Cambodia despite Presidential denials)

Another had to do with his military records where he flopped around claiming he had turned them all over and, I think I heard him say he had signed the 180 (My ears perked u at this so I think I'm right in my recall) at which Russert pounced. Russert finally forced a mumbled yes after repeated questions as to whether he would sign the form 180.

The third was to do with his supposed delivery of arms with a CIA agent and then it was a Special Ops and then he didn't know who it was but he wished the guy who gave him the hat would please contact the MSM so he wouldn't look like a liar/nut.

There was even more but, as I said I only watched for about 5 minutes and didn't take notes. I would have to see the transcript but I think I roughly summed up the brief time I could hold my nose to view Kerry.
47 posted on 01/30/2005 9:14:13 PM PST by drt1
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Contact the GOP controlled US Senate
AND
The MAIN STREAM RIGHT WING MEDIA

Distribute these url's!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com


48 posted on 01/30/2005 9:17:07 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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Kerry has never released all of his records. He still has not produced the supporting documentation for his first PH, which was approved after his supervisor refused to aprrove it and then left country. Moreover, there was no casualty report to document the wound or an after action report to show hostile fire. If Kerry ever signed a 180, his political career would be finished. I don't believe he will ever authorize release of his complete military record.


49 posted on 01/30/2005 9:17:23 PM PST by kabar
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Sorry .. it's not the RNC's job to defend the Swift Boat Vets - whether you think that's right or not. The SBV's are not a repub organization or arm of the party (even through the dems tried to claim they were). RNC has no authority to comment about Kerry's statement about Steve.

Any of the other SBV's are more than able to make any comment regarding Kerry's statements. But .. in my book, it's really up to Steve to make a comment.


50 posted on 01/30/2005 9:17:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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