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Mark Steyn: The 'civil war' that wasn't
The Australian ^ | 1 February | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/31/2005 6:11:24 AM PST by Eurotwit

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To: monday
It's simply too early to tell if democracy will be permanent in Iraq.

I must reluctantly agree. The hard part starts now. They must now get down to the business of writing the constitution, and how it is structured will make all the difference. The greatest danger is that the resulting government becomes a standard third-world corrupt kleptocracy, and the Iraqi people turn to extremism. If Iraq turns out like South America, where there was a democratic revolution followed by economic collapse and nostalgia for authoritarian rule in many countries, Iraq's ability to serve as a beacon for the rest of the Arab world will be correspondingly diminished.

For the record, I don't think that's the most likely outcome, and you'd have to have a heart of stone not to be moved by the pictures of the last few days. Furthermore, Afghanistan has gone quite well so far. But there is still difficult work ahead building a self-governing society surrounded by a bunch of rulers for life all threatened by Iraqi success, and thus many pitfalls yet to overcome. What they do now that they've had the elections is as important as having had them to begin with.

51 posted on 01/31/2005 8:37:35 AM PST by untenured
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To: Eurotwit

btt


52 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:36 AM PST by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: Eurotwit

Mark Steyn is the best....he sees so clearly and states it so right on along with being very very funny. I love this guy!!! Thank You Mark.


53 posted on 01/31/2005 8:46:32 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Eurotwit; shaggy eel; Byron_the_Aussie

<< .... Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end .... >>

Or chuck in either Kim Beazley [Although he could do the whole horse, solo] or Gerhardt Schroeder [If you can catch him sober] and the three of them can do the hind legs and the tail.

BUMPping


54 posted on 01/31/2005 8:52:25 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Adua Ad Astra!)
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To: printhead
a fingerprint to vote would do wonders here

Unfortunately, it wouldn't do much about some of the dead who still seem to vote (crooked poll watchers) and ballot box stuffers (corrupted custody chain).

I'd say the stained finger is about one of three additional measures we should take here. Another one being a complete re-regstration, (2-photo IDs (match photos to person, scans of both IDs and facial measurement scan for the records), with addresses, and US mail, stamped and postmarked (not metered), delivered to the person at ID address) and no one who hasn't passed the process 30-days in advance gets to vote.

The third would be a very aggressive, cross-correllated follow-up on the ID, with stiff sentences for fraud--not necessarily tied to the actual act of voting.

HF

55 posted on 01/31/2005 8:54:50 AM PST by holden (holden awnuhnuh truth, de whole truth, 'n nuttin' but de truth)
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To: Eurotwit
Thanks for posting this in toto.

Dan

56 posted on 01/31/2005 8:58:31 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Eurotwit
[ but Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. ]

LoL....
Whats really funny is what is implied..
"and John Kerry is the FACE... or the front"

57 posted on 01/31/2005 8:59:53 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Eurotwit

I ping, therefore, I am.


58 posted on 01/31/2005 9:01:20 AM PST by steveyp
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To: Eurotwit; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; dixiechick2000; ...
Mark Steyn: The 'civil war' that wasn't

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AND so the "looming Iraqi election fiasco" joins "the brutal Afghan winter" and "the brutal Iraqi summer" and "the seething Arab street" and all the other junk in the overflowing trash can of post-9/11 Western media fictions. The sight of millions of brave voters emerging from polling stations holding high their purple dye-stained fingers was so inspiring that, from America's Democratic Party to European protest rallies, opponents of the war waited, oh, all of three minutes before flipping the Iraqis their own fingers, undyed.

"No one in the United States should try to over-hype this election," warned John Kerry yesterday before embarking on the world champion limbo dance of Iraqi election under-hyping.

He has a point. One vote does not a functioning democracy make. To be a truly advanced, sophisticated democracy you need an opposition party that knows how to react to good news by sounding whiny and grudging and moving the goalposts. "The real test is not the election," he declared, airily swatting aside 8 million voters. "The real test is..."

I dozed off at that point, so I'm unable to tell you what moved goalposts the senator inserted. But no doubt they involved, as they always do, the Bush administration needing to "reach out" more effectively to involve the "international community". "International community", by the way, doesn't mean Tony Blair, John Howard, the Poles, Japan, India, Fiji, et al but Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. But, in an advanced, sophisticated democracy, that's how we define the "international community": no matter how many foreigners are in your coalition, it's unilateral unless Jacques is on board.

In Commonwealth countries, of course, we have the concept of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, so called because the Loyal Opposition carries on like a hysterical old queen. Thus, Kim Beazley, back in the saddle and already sore -- on the very eve of the Iraqi election triumph, when elementary prudence might have suggested waiting 24 hours before singing another refrain of When It's Quagmire Time on the Tigris.


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59 posted on 01/31/2005 9:05:44 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Eurotwit
Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end That line is so funny I stole it and am now using it in my tagline :-)
60 posted on 01/31/2005 9:08:28 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: Renfield; Hegewisch Dupa; shaggy eel; Byron_the_Aussie

<< '...."Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. "
That is the funniest thing I have read this year. Every time I read it I laugh even harder. A writer could literally claim his career an outstanding success just by penning that single line. Steyn gets one of those out about once a week......' >>

Once?

<< In Commonwealth countries, of course, we have the concept of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, so called because the Loyal Opposition carries on like a hysterical old queen. Thus, Kim Beazley, back in the saddle and already sore -- on the very eve of the Iraqi election triumph, when elementary prudence might have suggested waiting 24 hours before singing another refrain of "When It's Quagmire Time on the Tigris."

But the old new Labor Party leader had barely taken possession of the keys to the executive washroom before he was "warning" the US that it risked being bogged down in -- all together now -- "a long-running civil war in Iraq ...."

..... What's the point of Beazley teetering on the brink of retirement for half a decade only to come back and hurl himself into the abyss of yesterday's cliches? >>

Is perfect.

Perfectly astute [Australian] local knowledge, that is.

If Mark Steyn isn't the world's greatest columnist, I'll eat my hat!

What a Gem!


61 posted on 01/31/2005 9:09:04 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Adua Ad Astra!)
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To: Eurotwit
That's not how Paul McGeough, The Sydney Morning Herald's man in Baghdad, sees things. Zarqawi may have issued an explicit threat against voting in the election, but according to McGeough yesterday, you weren't at risk of being killed for showing up but for staying away. "It was only a personal threat of violence that motivated some people to go to the polls." They came "only because of the gun at their backs".

How many would that be? Six million? Fourteen thousand? Couple of dozen? Hard to tell from McGeough's report. Perhaps he's just confused. Isn't it Australia where you're forced to vote whether you want to or not?

SMACK!

62 posted on 01/31/2005 9:16:00 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


63 posted on 01/31/2005 9:29:14 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Eurotwit
"Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings."

Priceless.

64 posted on 01/31/2005 9:38:55 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: Eurotwit
AND so the "looming Iraqi election fiasco" joins "the brutal Afghan winter" and "the brutal Iraqi summer" and "the seething Arab street" and all the other junk in the overflowing trash can of post-9/11 Western media fictions.

When this is the opening sentence, you know that it is time to settle into the chair and prepare yourself for a delightful analysis of the state of things. Steyn is the absolute best.

65 posted on 01/31/2005 9:40:55 AM PST by Ruth A.
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To: Pokey78
Thanks

This is one of Steyn's best. His is wit is extraordinary.
66 posted on 01/31/2005 9:43:33 AM PST by jazzo (Steyn is the Man !!!!)
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To: Eurotwit
Thanks for the whole thing.

Steyn is a world treasure.

L

67 posted on 01/31/2005 9:55:55 AM PST by Lurker ("We're all sinners, but jerks revel in their sins. " P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Pokey78

Priceless, priceless, priceless. Steyn is head and shoulders above anyone else out there. Thanks for the ping, Pokey! It's nice to start a week with Steyn!


68 posted on 01/31/2005 9:58:26 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Boggarts are like Democrats. Neither can stand to be laughed at.)
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To: Fenris6

I was out of touch for most of the weekend; have you heard what percentage of Iraqis voted under the threat that they would lose their lives to do so? Thanks!


69 posted on 01/31/2005 10:02:09 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Boggarts are like Democrats. Neither can stand to be laughed at.)
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To: Eurotwit
"This weekend's election was a rebuke to the parochial condescension of the West's elites."

Says it all. Great piece. I'm really happy he gave credit to Wolfowitz.

BUMP

70 posted on 01/31/2005 10:09:24 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings

Ping


71 posted on 01/31/2005 10:10:03 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: McGavin999
"No, Juan Cole is a joke. He even had the nerve to argue with a Sunni Iraqi over Iraqi history. Apparently HE knows more about what happened in 1920 then the tribes involved"

That's amazing....I can imagine what that Iraqi man must have been thinking

72 posted on 01/31/2005 10:13:11 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Eurotwit

I'm as happy as anyone else that the elections went off smoothly, but it doesn't mean the danger of a civil war breaking out at some point has passed. This is a significant milestone, but there's still a long way to go, and there will most likely be some setbacks along the way. Just being realistic.


73 posted on 01/31/2005 10:13:37 AM PST by kms61
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To: Eurotwit

This article should be mandatory reading in every American media newsroom.


74 posted on 01/31/2005 10:20:15 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MeekOneGOP
"I dozed off at that point, so I'm unable to tell you what moved goalposts the senator inserted. But no doubt they involved, as they always do, the Bush administration needing to 'reach out' more effectively to involve the 'international community'. "

Kerry's a moron. If the new Iraqi government is wise, they'll limit their dealings with Coffee Boy and Blaque Jaques to making them cough up the blood for oil vouchers money .

75 posted on 01/31/2005 10:23:33 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Brian Allen
"<< .... Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end .... >>"

"Or chuck in either Kim Beazley [Although he could do the whole horse, solo] or Gerhardt Schroeder [If you can catch him sober] and the three of them can do the hind legs and the tail."

A Trojan horses a$$!

76 posted on 01/31/2005 10:27:36 AM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Pokey78; Eurotwit
Thanks P78.

FMCDH(BITS)

77 posted on 01/31/2005 10:58:44 AM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end.

If I loved this man any more, I would scare myself

Steyn is a national treasure. The paragraph below had me laughing too.

To hold a civil war you need two sides. Iraq fails to meet that minimum requirement. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi -- not an Iraqi, incidentally -- has a few foreign jihadi, some enthusiastic head-hackers and a dwindling supply of suicide bombers, a job in which by definition it's hard to get people with experience.

78 posted on 01/31/2005 11:21:31 AM PST by RJL
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To: Eurotwit
Too many great lines to pjck out one or two.

Thanks for posting the whole thing before The Mad Excerpter got ahold of it.

79 posted on 01/31/2005 11:21:55 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: monday
"It's simply too early to tell if democracy will be permanent in Iraq. The only thing for certain is that there will be continued violence, and that US troops will be stationed there for a very long time to come."

There's no such "certainty."

The day after their successful elections has just ended over in Iraq with no new civilian fatalities. The terrorists just went a day without a new bombing...and frankly, they weren't setting off very many of those bombs even before the elections (as a general rule of thumb, if you can count the number of mortars, mines, IEDs, and rounds that your enemy is firing, it ain't much of a war).

They've lost. How much fight remains in them is hardly "certain."

80 posted on 01/31/2005 11:37:32 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Eurotwit

Steyn Rocks!


81 posted on 01/31/2005 11:50:53 AM PST by hattend (Liberals! Beware the Perfect Rovian Storm [All Hail, Chimpus Khan!])
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To: Southack
"They've lost. How much fight remains in them is hardly "certain."


Muslims enjoy being the underdog. They expect to lose. It makes them happy to be martyrs. No, they are having too much fun for them to stop now.
82 posted on 01/31/2005 12:22:16 PM PST by monday
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To: Eurotwit

Every time I think Steyn can't get any better, he does!


83 posted on 01/31/2005 12:36:52 PM PST by Gritty ("No matter how many foreigners in your coalition,it's unilateral unless Jacques is aboard-Mark Steyn)
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To: cake_crumb
Kerry's a moron. If the new Iraqi government is wise, they'll limit their dealings with Coffee Boy and Blaque Jaques to making them cough up the blood for oil vouchers money .

He certainly is, and I hope they will ignore those corrupt to the core fools.

My thanks to BulletBobCo for the concept of this
pic and to Conspiracy Guy for the captions!


84 posted on 01/31/2005 1:06:08 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Excellent!


85 posted on 01/31/2005 1:35:58 PM PST by maica (Ask a Dem: "When did promoting Democracy and Freedom in the World become a Bad Thing??")
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To: uwmeister
demoKKKrats

just want to propogate this.
86 posted on 01/31/2005 1:39:35 PM PST by uncitizen
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To: maica
Thank you. :^D

87 posted on 01/31/2005 2:12:43 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Eurotwit

Will I every disagree with one word written by Mark Steyn? It's almost spooky.


88 posted on 01/31/2005 2:13:07 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Eurotwit

Hahahahahahaha! '...pantomime horse where both Kofi and Chirac play the rear end...' {Priceless!)


89 posted on 01/31/2005 2:17:54 PM PST by hershey
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To: Eurotwit

Steyn is a treasure. Thank God he's a conservative!


90 posted on 01/31/2005 2:21:19 PM PST by hershey
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To: Eurotwit

'Robert Fisk, beloved comic doom-monger' This essay is marvelous!


91 posted on 01/31/2005 2:23:03 PM PST by hershey
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To: McGavin999

Some Swiss newspaper pooh poohed the Iraqi election....naturally NPR reported this early this morning. The Swiss paper called the war...'vile' and threw in a few more insults for good measure.


92 posted on 01/31/2005 2:26:19 PM PST by hershey
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To: PGalt

'...headhackers'... that alone is perfect.


93 posted on 01/31/2005 2:27:58 PM PST by hershey
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To: MeekOneGOP

You have to read this article a couple of times to savor every word.


94 posted on 01/31/2005 2:30:15 PM PST by hershey
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To: hershey
Steyn is remarkable. He keeps on crankin' out good stuff.

95 posted on 01/31/2005 2:31:35 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: cake_crumb

Me, too. Was very glad to see him credit Wolfowitz. Very nice touch and well deserved.


96 posted on 01/31/2005 2:31:39 PM PST by hershey
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To: Eurotwit

'There's no danger of a "long-running civil war in Iraq".'

Actually, it is yet to be seen if there will be a civil war. The easy part was the election. The hard part will be compromise between the factions and the losers of the elections accepting their losses peacefully.

The most important thing: the terrorists lost considerable standing with the Iraqi people.


97 posted on 01/31/2005 2:42:15 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: kidd

I wonder the same thing. Amazing.


98 posted on 01/31/2005 3:23:59 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Eurotwit

from Steyn's piece 8/25/2004

John Kerry's real 'band of brothers'
By MARK STEYN

A few months back, I bought a DVD set of an old TV variety show, black and white but digitally remastered. A bit too digitally remastered, as it turned out. It would be ungallant to name the lady artiste in question, but in several alarming close-ups it's all too clear she's come back from lunch a little the worse for wear, and in one scene she looks as if she's just been woken up after sleeping in the park for a week.

Not her fault. The make-up guy was making her look good enough for 1960 monochrome UHF lines. He couldn't have foreseen that 40 years on they'd have big-screen satellite TVs and DVD players and technology that would make that little facial pimple look like Mount Krakatoa about to blow through your screen.

That's what happened to John Kerry. For 25 years, he told The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, the United States Senate, and all manner of other well-known saps about his covert Yuletide operations inside Cambodia gun-running to anti-communists with his lucky CIA hat. To verify any of this would have required a trip to specialist reference libraries, looking up stuff on eye-straining microfiche, etc. So it was easier to let the old blowhard yak away and just nod occasionally.Senator Kerry couldn't have foreseen that Al Gore would invent the Internet, and there'd be this Google thingy, and all you'd have to do is tap in a few words and a nanosecond later it would all be at your fingertips – veterans memoirs, Cambodian history, declassified Johnson administration documents, previous Kerry "stretchers" (as Mark Twain called them).

The Kerry campaign has now conceded that, by his own contemporaneous account, the young lieutenant was nowhere near Cambodia in Christmas 1968 and, if he was ever on a covert gun-running operation across the border during his four months in Vietnam, he seems to be the only rookie Swift boat lieutenant to land in the territory and get entrusted with such a mission, and it was evidently so top secret that neither his commanding officers nor the men on his own boat knew a thing about it.

Yet the grandees of the US media refuse to show any curiosity about any of this, and they think anyone who does is a nut or part of the Republican "smear machine." When it comes to this newfangled Internet business, they take the line of Walter Cronkite, the long-retired avuncular anchorman from the pre-cable era. Last week, Walter huffed that "he finds that some stories published on the Web – scandals especially – play too fast and loose with the facts." As opposed to Walter, who doesn't play fast and loose mainly because he doesn't produce any facts – not a single specific example – to back up his assertion.

And playing fast and loose with the facts may be better than playing as slow and tight with them as Walter and his chums do. Right now, some three or four of his fellow Swift boat veterans back John Kerry, whereas some hundreds of them oppose him. This in itself is surely rather remarkable. But Ron Brownstein of The Los Angeles Times deplores the "partisan venom" of the election and compares the Swift boat veterans' anti-Kerry commercial to a "snuff film." Get a grip, man. Have you ever seen a snuff film? Those Islamist nutcakes were releasing one a week a couple of months back. Sadly, the news that some 80% of his fellow Swiftees do not accord Senator Kerry the same deference the media do is all too ickily "partisan" for Ron. Maybe he'd find it all less beastly if he were to take up a position as social secretary to a dowager duchess. As Lord Charteris, the Queen's courtier, remarked of Fergie: "Vulgar, vulgar, vulgar." That's Brownstein on the Swiftees.


99 posted on 01/31/2005 3:29:58 PM PST by bitt (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Eurotwit

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I love Steyn.


100 posted on 01/31/2005 3:32:19 PM PST by Naomi4
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