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The Immigration Problem (Rush Limbaugh)
Rush Limbabugh ^ | 01-31-05 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 01/31/2005 6:15:41 PM PST by Klickitat

The Immigration Problem

January 31, 2005




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John Fund on the trail, his piece at Opinionjournal.com today has a subheadline that says: "Limbaugh issues a warning to President Bush. -- On Friday, Rush Limbaugh, a staunch Bush supporter, took two separate opportunities to warn the president that he faced conservative opposition on some key issues that could hurt his chances of passing the rest of his agenda in the second term. First was federal spending which is surging out of control. The other was immigration which Mr. Limbaugh told his listeners could break up the Republican conservative coalition à la Ross Perot." He quotes me as saying, this is an accurate quote, "We can't maintain our sovereignty without securing and protecting our borders in an era where terrorists around the world seek entry to this country." Warning to President Bush? I was actually warning the people in the audience as well as President Bush, I guess, but I was also warning politicians of all stripes about this. Now, let me just review in part what I said in these remarks that generated this story in the Opinionjournal.com, and there's also a story at WorldNetDaily.com. The fact is this, folks. Our federal laws as related to immigration are being violated almost without consequence.

When that happens, our whole rule of law is undermined; the respect for the law and the authority of the very Congress and White House that passed and signed these laws, all these things are undermined. A nation that cannot control its borders cannot control its sovereignty. Now, both political parties have determined that it is in their political best interests to pander to illegal immigrants, and that's exactly what they're doing. Both sides are pandering to illegal immigrants for votes. They're afraid to offend them, so important are these coalitions and this groupthink when it comes to politics rather than looking at the population as a whole in going after a population as a whole, the Democrats especially get into groupthink, but this whole notion of illegal immigrants as a group that we can't offend, is something that both parties have basically signed onto as their best political interests to do so. The justifications, however, for people coming here illegally are simply not legitimate excuses for violating federal law. We don't treat other lawbreakers with such kid gloves. A U.S. citizen doesn't pay his federal income taxes because to do so would mean selling the family farm. He doesn't get a pass. He has to pay up or serve time in the federal prison. What's happening here is that politics is trumping security and the rule of law.

What's very strange about this is that the political parties, both of them, are making the wrong political calculation. Most Americans, whichever party, oppose illegal immigration. What they support is legal immigration. But the Republican base, more so than the Democrat base, draws a line in the sand on this subject which is why it does in fact threaten to break apart the Republican coalition. Now, we've heard all the arguments. "Illegal immigrants are doing jobs that Americans won't do," and I used to believe that. There's a part of that that I'm no longer willing to sign onto. Because if illegal immigrants are now doing jobs that Americans won't do, then the government should increase the level of legal immigration, if that's the case, a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant is of the same caliber. So if immigrants are doing the work that Americans won't do, then make those jobs filled by legal immigrants and follow the law. But there's actually even more to it than this. Illegal immigrants drive down wages which is why they're so attractive to a lot of business sectors, particularly Hollywood. They make certain jobs less attractive to citizens because they pay a lot less as a result and the benefits are frequently less as well so it becomes a self-fulfilling argument.

If illegal immigrants keep driving down wages and benefits, fewer and fewer citizens are going to want to do them. What's so ironic about this particular argument is that if there's a recognition that it costs too much to hire a citizen, then those who support illegal immigration on this basis or make this argument should be at the forefront in reducing the impediments to hiring U.S. citizens, but they're not. Instead they're out there demanding increasing the minimum wage, increasing the Social Security tax, increasing health care costs to employers, all of which drive up the cost of hiring U.S. workers, which makes illegal immigrants far more attractive from a cost analysis even then. So this whole self-fulfilling prophecy becomes a cycle. The strain on the hospitals and the schools that are overwhelmed with illegal immigrants, you add that in, and that they're required to provide them with services, it's enormous. It used to be that those costs were only felt in border areas in the U.S., but not anymore. There's not a major city or state that isn't feeling the cost of illegal immigration. Illegal, illegal. Close to 25% of the inmates in our federal prisons are illegal immigrants, and countries like Mexico are unwilling to take back many of the worst and most violent criminals, and this is becoming a major issue in California where even some Democrats are frustrated with Mexico's conduct.

Mexico is actively urging its citizens to come, illegal, to the U.S. as a way of avoiding reforming their own government and economy -- and money sent back to Mexico from the U.S. is the second or third biggest import in that country. Mexico is even considering allowing Mexicans who were in the U.S. illegally to vote in Mexican elections, to help further enhance the political influences of illegals in our country. And there are organizations set up in our country for the sole purpose of defending all this behavior, including going into our courts to block state initiatives and expand the benefits illegal immigrants receive in our country. Mark Levin has a chapter on all this in his latest book, Men in Black. I mean, the foreign minister of Mexico just last week threatened to go to the international courts to sue the people of Arizona over their Proposition 200, which denies all these services to illegal immigrants, and here Mexico wants to go to the international courts to tell the people of Arizona they can't enforce American laws. Well, hell's bells, folks! Now this is getting out of hand, all because of a bunch of political pandering? And I'm telling you, some guy's going to come along as a candidate, like a Perot, and make sense on this and siphon off a bunch of Republican votes that would otherwise go to a Republican president, say, in 2008 or whatever, and voila! The coalition's gone.

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Now, look, folks, the most important issue about this illegal immigration business, though, relates to national security. As great as the economic impacts are, the national security issue is the most important one. Remember here, we're talking about illegal immigration. You know, both parties -- this story in the Wall Street Journal and others portraying me as warning President Bush, but I think both parties are pandering here to these groups that support illegal immigration, because they're simply afraid to offend them for fear of what it might mean on Election Day down the road, and the problem is this: some slickster candidate like a Perot is going to come along and is going to start saying all the right magical things about this. And to the growing number of Americans, this immigration business is more so on the Republican side a draw-the-line-in-the-sand issue than it is with Democrats. So if some guy comes along à la Perot and says the right things there is the potential for a number of Republicans to whom this is the single most important issue down the road, they'll support the guy, and there you drive down the Republican candidate for president's totals to 45 or 44%, and, voila! The third-party candidate again comes up with this opportunity here to sink a Democrat or send a Democrat into office by splitting the coalition.

I'm not saying it's going to happen; this is one of the obstacles that's out there. I'm trying to temper all this optimism I have with a little bit of reality, and my optimism is based in reality, but this is an issue that is festering out there. If we learned anything after 9/11, it seems to me that we must know who's here and who's coming here -- and today more than three years later we don't and we've got all kinds of left-wing groups that characterize any effort to identify people based on their place of origin as racial profiling. Even the TSA has bowed to this nonsense as an example. How can you have a guest worker program of the kind being discussed if you don't take the steps to determine who's here and why? And, even if you accomplish this, you tell these people that in six years or so when their guest worker terms have ended, that they have to apply for permanent status here, what's to stop them from simple going underground for fear that they won't qualify? Not much -- and by then since you've encouraged millions more to come here, the problem is arguably worse, and the American people understand.

This is sort of like the House Bank issue: It was easy to understand. Members of Congress are able to go to a bank, their own bank and write checks for money they didn't have. It was essentially not being limited by whatever your salary is. Need some money? Go write a check for cash! The House Bank will cover you, overdraft after overdraft after overdraft. Well, that's not hard to understand. Neither is this because the word "illegal" is prominent, illegal immigrant. I mean, we've got all kinds of prosecutors day in and day out trying to enforce all kinds of laws but this one gets scant attention, and the American people understand it. It isn't complicated. But for some reason the political leadership is unwilling or incapable or just not desirous of addressing it. I mean, they can't even strengthen the driver's license process, and the driver's license was the document used most effectively by the 9/11 terrorists to move around in our country. Some of them had multiple illegal driver's licenses. Now, let me add one more thing about this: Our laws permit the hiring of immigrants for jobs here in America, especially high-tech type jobs, and we should always make room for those whose skills are needed and we should always make room for political prisoners and we always have.

We allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants into our country legally every year, so no one is talking about anti-immigrant, an anti-immigrant approach here, despite the best efforts of the illegal immigrant lobby to say so -- and there is an "illegal" immigrant lobby, and they're trying to make all of those who oppose illegal immigration sound as though they're opposed to all immigration. That's not the case. In the past when we've had large influxes of immigrants. Again: the vast majority came here legally or were turned away. There were specific locations and centers they were required to flow through. They were checked for skills, criminal records, health issues, et cetera, but at no time in our history -- and I want to make this very clear -- at no time in our history has our government ever sanctioned the unchecked flow of illegal immigrants into this country. What's happening now is unprecedented. It's not going to take too many Prop 187s or Prop 200s that are overturned or attempted to be overturned, particularly by the government of Mexico, to enrage people and wake them up. Tim in Cayucos, California, you're next. Welcome to the program.

CALLER: Hi, Rush, how are you today?

RUSH: Just fine, sir, thank you.

CALLER: Well, I'm a Republican, and I'm in the agricultural industry, and I don't know how many people are aware of it, but I would say 70% of the labor in harvesting our food we gotta eat every day, comes from illegal aliens, and if we don't have a guest worker program, we're going to run out of food grown in California.

RUSH: Well, what makes an illegal immigrant far more employable to you than a legal immigrant?

CALLER: Well, most legal immigrants when they come here, or most people that live here, want to move up. You talked about we should allow high-skilled people in, but there's very few replacement people on low-skilled. I helped people get legalized in 1986. Fifteen, twenty years ago, most of those guys are too old to be doing the fieldwork. We need young replacement workers. We've always needed that, and I think one of the reasons our country is so successful is because we have a very inexpensive food supply. How we gonna keep the labor coming?

RUSH: Well, you still haven't answered my question. I understand the economics of what you're talking about, but as I said earlier I think it becomes a self-fulfilling cycle. We keep employing people because they don't cost very much, which encourages the process, which then causes Democrats to run around say, "Well, we need more Social Security taxes, and we need more health care benefits for these illegals," and the legal people in this country are paying more in taxes, which ends up suppressing prices for people to do the work. What is different? Not all legal immigrants are high-tech. I specified high-tech because many in the semi-conductor industry in the high-tech business out in California are taking legal, educated immigrants from various countries around the world. But I'm not talking about those kind of people to go pick food and your crops in your fields. What is the difference? These same people that are coming in illegally, what would be the difference if those same people were allowed in legally and then you hired them? What would be the difference?

CALLER: Oh, no. I would love it if they were brought in legally.

RUSH: That's all I'm saying.

CALLER: Okay, that has to be a major part of it, but every time that issue has come up over the last five or ten years it's become so political nothing gets done, and I like the fact --

RUSH: Precisely, because both parties are afraid to tackle it, for fear of offending.

CALLER: No. Tom Ridge and George Bush are both willing to tackle it. Don't say they're not.

RUSH: Well, no, they're not willing to attack the illegal aspect of it. I mean, they want to turn illegals into legal with a stroke of the pen and with a program. But to become a legal immigrant in this country you've got to go through a process, and these people are not, and we're going to just waive that process and we're doing it on the basis, "Ah, so many here we couldn't take backward steps on it anyway." Okay, even if you have an amnesty program, at some point, whether you call it that or not -- guest worker program, whatever you want to call it -- at some point we're going to have to start enforcing all of this so that the immigrants that do get in here are legal, even the ones that end up working for you.

CALLER: Well, right, but have a guest worker program and have replacements and realize the fact that people can only do physical labor in fields for so many years, and you need to replace them, and this thing has been just out of control for many years, then maybe there's millions of them. I know I speak to a lot of Mexicans in the farm, in the fields. They'll all admit to me the documents they're using are not real.

RUSH: You're just making my point here, and all I'm telling you is: What you and I think about this is not going to be the factor down the road. If this keeps up, and people... You know, the people of this country get what they want, Tim. I made this point Friday night in the speech, too. They get what they want. The country, the people, wanted abortion. They got it. They found a way. The majority of the people at one time wanted it. They got it. There are exceptions, but in a representative republic the people get what they want. Now, sometimes, I know, liberals impose things that people don't want via the courts and so forth, but for the most part, it's what makes this country great, people end up, the majority gets what it wants. Not all the time, but quite a lot. When you see people in California and the border states start passing these initiatives and say, "We're fed up with paying all of these benefits and education, health care and all this for illegals," there's a message being sent there, and this sentiment is growing beyond these border states. It's not just Arizona. It's not just California now. It's becoming prominent in a number of other states that are nowhere near the southern border, and as this picks up steam and the public gets angrier and angrier and angrier as nothing is done about it, it's going to have its point where it all collapses.

Then when you have this foreign minister of Mexico saying (paraphrasing), "All right, I'm going to sue the people of Arizona in an international court because I want the illegals from our country to get American benefits," I guarantee you, you let the word spread into Arizona and California of that, and there's going to be outrage about it. People aren't going to put up with it, and at some point, and I don't know when, that's why I'm issuing this as a little veiled warning -- and I could be wrong. I doubt it, but I could be wrong about this. I just think this is one of these things that's effervescing out there, the people of Washington don't get. This is not a problem in Washington, you know, the political parties are not -- well, the Democrats especially are not attuned to this. A lot of Republicans are. Tom Tancredo and a number of others are concerned about it. I'm just waving a little pink flag here. It's not yet red, but it's close to being that way. If anybody would just make a serious effort to reverse the tide, get some inertia and momentum going in the opposite direction, it would show people that somebody, some people somewhere taking it seriously. Look, I appreciate the call.

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You know, at the risk of offending our previous caller, the farmer, I think his call typifies the problem. I mean, his argument was that we won't have agricultural workers or cheap food prices if we get tough to illegal immigrants. And some people say the same thing about the construction business, that we won't have cheap construction prices because many of the construction workers are illegals. So if we don't continue to keep the borders open all these cheap prices are going to go away, is somewhat absurd. Why should the American taxpayer have to subsidize agriculture? We do it in so many ways. We do it with price supports. We tell farmers not to grow crops and pay them not to grow them. The family farm is dwindling away anyway. Corporate farming is quickly overtaking the family farm. But even so, when you just get right down to it, I'm sure people have an answer for me. "Well, we need to subsidize the agriculture business so we can eat cheaply. People have to eat, Rush! You can't get around that: People have to eat." Ah, fairness and so forth. All right, so the American people are supposed to subsidize the agriculture business. The American people end up paying for the social safety net for the illegals, so really how cheap is all this? We're paying for it in other areas; it's called taxes.

So while we think our food is cheaper because we've got illegals, we're having to pay for all of their social benefits and their health care and education, welfare benefits and all of that. We may pay less for asparagus, but in the end we pay more, don't we, in the form of taxes for other services? And these are the costs that never get factored in because you never pay it anyway. It's just deducted from your paycheck so you don't see it. But if there was a line item, if you got a bill every month from the government, this is what you owe for illegal immigrant health care, education, and welfare, I guarantee you the end would be at hand for subsidizing American business. The same people, the same people who support illegal immigration keep demanding that we raise the minimum wage. Now, somebody explain the logic in this to me. You price Americans out of the market, while at the same time encourage the use of illegals, and then you come around and say the American people don't have a "livable minimum wage" and we need to raise it. Well, we don't have a livable minimum wage because we have to raise it because we've got illegals doing jobs. And it's all done under the guise of, "It's helping us live cheaper, Rush," but in the end it isn't. Everything gets paid for and in this country the people pay for everything. Government pays for zilch because the government doesn't have a dime until they take it from us.

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1 posted on 01/31/2005 6:15:41 PM PST by Klickitat
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To: gubamyster; NewRomeTacitus; Missouri; JustAnotherSavage

ping


2 posted on 01/31/2005 6:16:25 PM PST by Klickitat
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To: Klickitat

Ping - again!


3 posted on 01/31/2005 6:24:02 PM PST by B-Cause ("Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef Stalin)
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To: Klickitat
Because if illegal immigrants are now doing jobs that Americans won't do, then the government should increase the level of legal immigration, if that's the case, a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant is of the same caliber.

Uh Rush, that is what the guest worker program is all about. People who want to work and legally.

4 posted on 01/31/2005 6:27:33 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Klickitat

Sure took Rush enough time to figure this out..this hasn't always been his position. Wonder who opened his eyes?


5 posted on 01/31/2005 6:41:35 PM PST by Recall
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To: Recall

His eyes still aren't open. I heard that show (at least as much as I could stand without gagging). Rush doesn't know the difference between guest worker programs and permanent immigration.
They're both legal, but that's the only thing they have in common.

In his early days, Rush used to do research on issues before he blathered on. These days, he seems to see no need to know what he's talking about.


6 posted on 01/31/2005 6:58:38 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Klickitat; NRA2BFree

I'm glad Rush is talking about the issue. Maybe it will wake up more people.


7 posted on 01/31/2005 7:24:16 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: Klickitat

Amen Rush!

'Bout damned time, too.


8 posted on 01/31/2005 7:30:18 PM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: Klickitat; gubamyster; HiJinx; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; ...
I'm the wrong guy to ping when such an argument is presented. "How can we sustain our operations if the sub-wage labor were taken from us?" gets zero sympathy from me - I want to know when the authorities will be there to pick the neo-slavers up for their deserved arrests and prosecutions. They are scum who'm I regard as no better than the Old South plantation owners.

Oh what the heck! Let's see what the supposedly "xenophobic, racist, Buchananites" have to say. Personally I feel these people are far more tolerent in their basic natures than those who keep casting those aspersions on them.

9 posted on 01/31/2005 7:41:01 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first (because we earned it)
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To: Dane
Isn't it amazing how many times this has been posted in the last 6 hours and yet it appears none of the threads have been pulled.
10 posted on 01/31/2005 7:42:16 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (President Bush has a plan to deal with illegal immigration, Tancredo would rather complain about it.)
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To: Klickitat

You have to think that old Rushbo has a pretty good finger on the pulse of the nation.

Between the calls and emails he gets he must have a good feeling for reality in America.

That he characterizes the problem as one that is "seething" below the surface is very accurate. Americans are getting downright pissed over the inaction of their elected representatives.

Sooner or later the illegal Mexicans here are going to be returned to Mexico. The government can do their duty, or the people will through re inventing government in a way that does the will of the people. But between now and the next Presidential election this is coming to a head.

Here in Colorado you will see a ballot initiative that will build on Arizona's Prop 200. I am sure other states will have similar initiatives.

Bush is obtuse and as out of touch to this issue as his daddy was over taxes.


11 posted on 01/31/2005 7:43:24 PM PST by Pylot
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To: COEXERJ145
RUSH: These same people that are coming in illegally, what would be the difference if those same people were allowed in legally and then you hired them? What would be the difference?

CALLER: Oh, no. I would love it if they were brought in legally.

RUSH: That's all I'm saying.

12 posted on 01/31/2005 7:45:08 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Pylot

Add Virginia to the list. They have several new bills pending that mirror Prop 200 here in Arizona.


13 posted on 01/31/2005 7:57:21 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: COEXERJ145
Isn't it amazing how many times this has been posted in the last 6 hours and yet it appears none of the threads have been pulled.

What's more amazing is how you continue to get away with being obnoxious without "being pulled". But I forget: you deem yourself some sort of priveleged Republican royalty. Spare me, sire - I know not whom I challenge. NOT!

Seriously, who made you the arbiter of what's acceptable here? Where do you get off on dictating what we can or can not look at? Bite it; Trust-funder - I and my fellow commoners are here for good. We, unlike you, have absolutely nothing to lose. Thanks for being inclusive.

14 posted on 01/31/2005 7:58:21 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first (because we earned it)
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To: bayourod
RUSH: These same people that are coming in illegally, what would be the difference if those same people were allowed in legally and then you hired them? What would be the difference?

Thats all most of us are saying, as well - seal the border & let your cheap labor apply for the 'jobs Americans won't do' from their home country.

But I don't think thats what YOU want.

15 posted on 01/31/2005 8:00:35 PM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Pylot

Virginia Legislative Details:

Senate Bill 1143 by Senator Emmett Hanger. This legislation is designed to make it more difficult for terrorists to operate in the state and for illegal aliens to obtain services and benefits funded by taxpayers. If passed, it would: (a) prohibit public agencies at the state and local level from granting certain benefits and services to persons who cannot prove legal presence in the state of Virginia; (b) prohibit the acceptance of personal identification documents issued by foreign governments (e.g., Matricula Consular); (c) prohibit the acceptance for identification purposes of driver's licenses and IDs issued by states that grant them to illegal aliens; and (d) allow citizens standing to seek redress where public agencies fail to comply with this law.

House Bill 1798 by Delegate David Albo. This is companion legislation to SB 1143. (See description above.)

House Bill 2908 by Delegate Thomas Gear. HB 2908 would prohibit state and local governments from awarding publicly-funded service contracts to firms that hire illegal aliens. Other patrons (cosponsors) include Dels. Janis and Reid. [I really like this one.]

House Bill 2910 by Delegate Thomas Gear. HB 2910 would prohibit enrollment of illegal aliens in our state-funded universities. Co-Patrons (cosponsors) include Dels. Albo, Byron, Carrico, Cole, Cosgrove, Griffith, Hogan, Janis, Jones (of Suffolk), Landes, Marshall (of Manassas), Sherwood and Weatherholtz.


16 posted on 01/31/2005 8:05:21 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: COEXERJ145

And your page is a simulation based on another simulation, chock full of borrowed historical comments. Are you a real person or a simulation of one?

Now I'm sorry I wasted valuable lifetime addressing a mere Democrat computer program. Thanks anyway. The sword gains sharpness.


17 posted on 01/31/2005 8:10:19 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Unrepentent politically-incorrect Nativist who believes America comes first (because we earned it)
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To: Klickitat

I think Rush has hit the nail on the head. He has described my sentiments exactly, as well as those of many of my friends. The GOP had better wake up before it allows a sly interloper to steal this slam-dunk winning issue from its grasp...


18 posted on 01/31/2005 8:11:20 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: COEXERJ145
Isn't it amazing how many times this has been posted in the last 6 hours and yet it appears none of the threads have been pulled.

If you don't like it don't come and post here.

19 posted on 01/31/2005 8:11:51 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Klickitat
If illegal immigrants keep driving down wages and benefits, fewer and fewer citizens are going to want to do them.

Don't expect any of that to change with a guest worker program.

20 posted on 01/31/2005 8:18:23 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: Klickitat
"We may pay less for asparagus, but in the end we pay more, don't we, in the form of taxes for other services? "

Not me, I live in Texas. I loves dem cheap exotic foods from California. Avocados, artichokes, grapes, wines, oranges, cantaloupes, dates...even lettuce and tomatoes.

What do I care if California schools, hospitals, and parks are suffering? Ain't my case that them Californians are paying the highest taxes in the world. So what if they are paying more for shacks than the rest of the country pays for mansions? Their gang problems, drug problems, diseases, litter, weeds, congestion don't make me no nevermind.

I figure they must like it or else they would accept the offer of the Bush administration to train their state and local police to enforce the immigration laws. Bet it wouldn't take them one month to bust all the employers of illegals in the valley. Maybe a week per zip code in Los Angles.

But if they don't care why should I. Send me more cheap food California. And thanks for driving all the companies out with your high taxes. They really pay good for our real estate in Texas.(think its cheap, yuk yuk) And just let us know if you need any electricity.

21 posted on 01/31/2005 8:19:53 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: primeval patriot
From what I could tell, Rush wasn't advocating the guest worker illegal amnesty program.
22 posted on 01/31/2005 8:21:32 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Klickitat

Thanks for posting this, BTW!


23 posted on 01/31/2005 8:24:10 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: COEXERJ145

I find it odd, also. I even let moderators know about a duplicate thread but nothing was done about it.


24 posted on 01/31/2005 8:24:26 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: bayourod
What do I care if California schools, hospitals, and parks are suffering?

We'll keep that in mind next time Texas has its hand out.

25 posted on 01/31/2005 8:29:01 PM PST by Pelham
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To: BlueAngel

There has been no duplicate on this piece by Rush.


26 posted on 01/31/2005 8:32:04 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Klickitat

This is a real dilemna for the Rush/Bush bots. The other day Rush actually expresed concern for workers who are seeing their wages eroded by mega-immigration. Rush is a smart guy, I'm glad he finally made a stand.


27 posted on 01/31/2005 8:34:32 PM PST by sixmil (In Free Trade We Trust)
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To: Pelham
Why doesn't California bust all their employers of illegals if y'all really want to end illegal immigration?

Don't ask the rest of the country to pay higher taxes for more guards and fences as long as y'all keep paying them to come in.

28 posted on 01/31/2005 8:35:25 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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"Now, look, folks, the most important issue about this illegal immigration business, though, relates to national security."

Rush is quite behind on this, but, hey, better late than never.

29 posted on 01/31/2005 8:36:01 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader

The now attitude regarding socialism is "aint nuttin wrong with socialism"!


30 posted on 01/31/2005 8:36:57 PM PST by mojojockey
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To: k2blader

I was not talking about this thread.


31 posted on 01/31/2005 8:37:58 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: BlueAngel

The original post you agreed with: "Isn't it amazing how many times this has been posted in the last 6 hours and yet it appears none of the threads have been pulled."

Maybe you're just upset about the subject matter.


32 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:39 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader
I was speaking about my experience.

No need to freak out about it.

34 posted on 01/31/2005 8:47:25 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: Always A Marine

The real problem is that most of our politicians and media talking heads don't have a clue.

We don't need "immigration reform" in the slightest. Our current laws work quite well with people who follow the rules we set for immigration. A prospective legal immigrant goes through a thorough background check to prove they are of good character, a full physical exam to prove they are not a health hazard, demonstrates some sort of needed skill and/or means of support, and has a sponsor who is responsible for keeping that person from becoming a burden on the rest of society. Illegal aliens just jump the fence -- with none of the above conditions met. The best they deserve is a polite but firm deportation.

What we really need is border security reform and interior enforcement reform -- and I use the term reform very loosely. Again, we have many existing laws more than adequate for the purpose. All we lack is politicians and bureaucrats with sufficient gonads to enforce existing law.

Let's say Jose has been caught crossing by the Border Patrol for the second time. The first time was a misdemeanor freebie; the second time was a felony. What if the we applied the felony rules? Jose is suddenly dirt cheap prison labor, working on public works projects of our choice for a minimum of a year -- followed by instant deportation. The third time, if he's way stupid? That's an aggravated offense and he ends up dressed in orange for a long time, doing jobs that Americans really, really, really don't want to do.

Or let's say a local company (Legree Industies, Inc.) gets caught with a bunch of illegals off the books. In this case, our immigration laws are just icing on the cake. RICO could also apply; unfair labor practices could generate huge civil suits; and tax evasion would result in all of the shuddering horrors that the IRS can bring to bear. It was no accident that the AgJobs bill contains a sweeping amnesty for employers.

Unless and until our pissant political parasites can demonstrate a sustained and successful record of border security and interior enforcement, they have no business even considering things like immigration reform or guest worker programs.

Not that I have much hope. Just about every politician out there would pimp out his gray-haired granny's fanny on a street corner if it meant a hat full of votes or a fist full of campaign cash.


35 posted on 01/31/2005 8:54:15 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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"Unless and until our pissant political parasites can demonstrate a sustained and successful record of border security and interior enforcement, they have no business even considering things like immigration reform or guest worker programs."

Thank you. I have been banging my head against the wall trying to explain this point to an OBL on another thread. I have now decided to end the exercise in futility.
36 posted on 01/31/2005 8:56:22 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
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To: bayourod

Good idea. And if you moved out here maybe you could be famous as the first prosecutee. Nothing like a perp walk on prime time to wake up the scofflaw employer-felons.


37 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:07 PM PST by Pelham
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Jack, I read today that more people voted for Bush in Cochise County than voted for prop 200. Tell me it ain't true.

I learn your mayor don't like y'all, your sheriff don't like y'all, the CBP don't like y'all, and now 44% of your people in your county want to give illegals free welfare.

Haven't you told them all the things you told us? The litter and cut fences, and frightened barnyard animals, and other horrors?

38 posted on 01/31/2005 9:02:10 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

It's OK to agree with Buchanan on some issues and not others. He's a very intelligent and practical guy. Americans should be paid as much as it takes to do the work that is to be done. We don't need to bring in slave labor to do our dirty work. We just need to be paid what it's worth. To argue otherwise is anti-capitalist. People would come here by the millions, some to work for free, if we just would let them all in. Where does that end? Answer: it doesn't. Let's stop what we've started and put Americans back to work -- before it's too late.


39 posted on 01/31/2005 9:02:57 PM PST by risk
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To: Always A Marine
RUSH: "...if illegal immigrants are now doing jobs that Americans won't do, then the government should increase the level of legal immigration, if that's the case, a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant is of the same caliber. So if immigrants are doing the work that Americans won't do, then make those jobs filled by legal immigrants and follow the law."

Makes sense to me. You don't mind making them legal do you?

40 posted on 01/31/2005 9:05:47 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: k2blader

Hey I'm just glad to hear Rush even say the words illegal immigrant.

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the bots squirm as Rush holds the stinky immigration diaper in their faces.


41 posted on 01/31/2005 9:15:52 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: bayourod

Bite wind, chucklehead.

The mayor of the town of Douglas doesn't like us; I consider that a complement. You would, too, if you had read the other material on his "family connections".

You evidently misread or only partially read Sheriff Larry Dever's remarks. At a guess you just went with the partial soundbite on Scarborough's show.

The new head of the Tucson sector of CBP really doesn't like us because he knows we're going to make him look stupid. I personally plan to yank his chain with a vengeance. The working agents who do their job have no problem with us.

As for the vote numbers, the towns of Douglas and Naco profit from smuggling and Bisbee is Haight-Ashbury East. A lot of people here held their noses and voted for Shrubya just because Ketchup Boy was a worse choice. A lot of others, like me, left the north end of their ballots unmarked.

I did not vote for Bush, McCain, or Kolbe. All three were openly on record as being against my best interests.


44 posted on 01/31/2005 9:25:02 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: bayourod

The Texas border region is getting billions of dollars of federal money --- but you don't want California to have any? The border counties of Texas would collapse if it wasn't for all the federal grants and bailouts to the schools, clinics, hospitals etc. Imagine what would happen to Texas if Medicaid and federal grants for indigent care were even just cut in half. 80% of the public school children in a big city like Houston are on the free breakfast and lunch program --- and that's not right on the border.


45 posted on 01/31/2005 9:29:49 PM PST by FITZ
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To: bayourod

Sometimes when your nextdoor neighbors let their house go to pot ---their toilets are plugged up and overflowing, there is filth and garbage everwhere, they have no food in their pantry --- they would like to just move into your house. The best thing you can do is offer some tough love, send them home --- and they might even get to work on improving their place once they realize they have to live in it.


46 posted on 01/31/2005 9:32:46 PM PST by FITZ
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To: COEXERJ145

I noticed as well. :-)


47 posted on 01/31/2005 9:56:34 PM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: Pelham

When they took over California, I did not speak up because I was not in California;
When they took over Texas, I did not speak up because I was not in Texas...


48 posted on 01/31/2005 9:58:27 PM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

I will be there April 1 !


49 posted on 01/31/2005 9:59:02 PM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: occutegirl

Yep. But I doubt that that character would worry if Texas was taken over.


50 posted on 01/31/2005 10:01:09 PM PST by Pelham
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