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GOP Sees Future In Black Churches (The Crumbling Of The Liberal Plantation Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 02/01/05 | Tom Hamburger And Peter Wallsten

Posted on 02/01/2005 12:47:57 AM PST by goldstategop

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To: sasafras
Your commnent "if you dont want me in" sounds like a black liberal trying to accuse me of being against you based on your race, nice try but it wont fly

Oh, and I'm sorry, you don't get to set the rules defining me; I won't relinquish that job -- it belongs to me.

I catch enough sh*t from other blacks (including my own damn family) who want to pigeon-hole me and give me guff. I'll be damned if I'm gonna take it from you.

51 posted on 02/01/2005 9:48:32 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: Jaysun

Hey, come on, I'm Black, but my Lutheran church is predominately white. We need to be recognized there too.


52 posted on 02/01/2005 9:48:43 AM PST by dagnabit
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To: mhking

"Oh, and I'm sorry, you don't get to set the rules defining me; I won't relinquish that job -- it belongs to me.

I catch enough sh*t from other blacks (including my own damn family) who want to pigeon-hole me and give me guff. I'll be damned if I'm gonna take it from you."

Thats your response? If you cant debate or provide a credible rebuttal then as you said why dont you leave that to me and get out of the way. Its obvious you run on emotion and you prove my point - to much of the black community is manipulated by emotion and not fact. When or if black Americans wake up on who is the current slaveholder then they might accept and encourage conservative ideals. Until then they (90%) are relegated to begging from liberals for more freebies. My sincere hope is that the majority of blacks would become independent free thinkers able to shake the bonds of the corrupt liberal dogma - racial hatred, affirmative action, and govt. handouts, etc. - but I dont see anything which shows that change on the horizon.


53 posted on 02/01/2005 11:28:46 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
Thats your response? If you cant debate or provide a credible rebuttal then as you said why dont you leave that to me and get out of the way.

It's not a matter of "can't" -- I refuse to waste my time with you. You have already set a "blacks are stupid" mindset as your starting point.

I refuse to discuss the matter with you.

Go find someone else to play with.

I'm done with you.

54 posted on 02/01/2005 11:31:00 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: mhking

"I don't have to justify or prove myself to you or any other knuckle-dragging jerk who feels the necessity to bitch at me."

Hmmm - lets see black man call white guy a knuckle dragging jerk. Thats not racist (sarcasm alert).

Im all for blacks becoming conservative and voting for social conservatives, but I dont see it happening - nothing in the last election showed a trend. Take my advice and get some anger counseling. Or learn to debate with more critical thought and less emotion.


55 posted on 02/01/2005 11:36:02 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: mhking

"It's not a matter of "can't" -- I refuse to waste my time with you. You have already set a "blacks are stupid" mindset as your starting point."

You have been the only one who said "blacks are stupid". You may not like the fact that blacks voted 90% for liberals but it is fact. You dont surprise me, you point the finger at everybody else and sream racism while you harbor the racism. Your family and friends think your a trader, why? Because you think that everyone should be treated equally? You want to stop the cycle of welfare and govt. dependence? What is it that they dislike? or perhaps its that you may think on your own. Sad isnt it? If thats not it please espouse......until then try debating the subject and not changing the argument by inciting personal remarks.


56 posted on 02/01/2005 11:47:19 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: Mudboy Slim

I agree with the items in the proposed contract, but they are good fer all Americans, not just Black Americans, imho. I'm sorta torn on this issue...yes, we want to attract more Black Americans to conservatism, but do we do it by treating them as a unique sub-population?!
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You make a good point, and you're right the basic principles of it are anti-thetical to conservatism, but the problem is we need something powerful to jolt African Americans out of their liberal mindset. I think this idea is worth looking into, just to hammer in the point that Conservatism helps blacks the most.


57 posted on 02/01/2005 12:08:21 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/blackconservatism.htm)
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To: goldstategop
"I am frightened by what is happening," said Rep. Major R. Owens,... "Our party is in grave danger. This Republican movement is going to expand exponentially unless we do something."

Be afraid, Rep. Owens, be VERY afraid.

58 posted on 02/01/2005 12:27:41 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Southack
I hope you don't think that this dreary recital of actual facts is going to change the perception of history in the 'hood.

FYI, Roosevelt freed the slaves
MLK, RFK, and MLK gave blacks equal rights and the vote
Bill Clinton personally saved many black children in a series of church fires in Arkansas.Br> The WHite Man started AIDS and sells drugs in th 'hood

Try and keep it straight. And a straight face.

59 posted on 02/01/2005 12:38:48 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Ain't only lobsters coming in.)
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To: Southack
I hope you don't think that this dreary recital of actual facts is going to change the perception of history in the 'hood.

FYI, Roosevelt freed the slaves
MLK, RFK, and MLK gave blacks equal rights and the vote
Bill Clinton personally saved many black children in a series of church fires in Arkansas.
The White Man started AIDS and sells drugs in th 'hood

Try and keep it straight. And a straight face.

60 posted on 02/01/2005 12:42:01 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Ain't only lobsters coming in.)
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To: rdb3
Molon Labe!
61 posted on 02/01/2005 12:48:10 PM PST by blackie
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To: rdb3
He's extremely handsome, well-mannered, has an appealing personality, very smart, and can speak convincingly.

Sounds familiar.

62 posted on 02/01/2005 1:37:33 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: rdb3
What this is about is the fact that no matter how loyal American blacks are to the Democrats, blacks still won't even get nominated, much less approved, for senior Democrat Party positions.

I would really like to know how Boxer and Byrds behavior over Condi is being received.

63 posted on 02/01/2005 1:42:50 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: dagnabit
Hey, come on, I'm Black, but my Lutheran church is predominately white. We need to be recognized there too.

You're not being excluded. It's just that everyone knows that a Black person that attendants a predominately white church is already a Republican. Just kidding...
;0)
64 posted on 02/01/2005 2:26:57 PM PST by Jaysun (An "exit plan" would tell the terrorist how much longer to hang on.)
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To: Jaysun

And Sing!!


65 posted on 02/01/2005 3:41:10 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: Nitro

We all know what party the Plantation Owners Association of Mississippi belongs to.


66 posted on 02/01/2005 3:42:16 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: samtheman

Especially in a tight knit community like that of the African Americans. The real challenge will be in the Southern states where The Man still holds his thumb on the sharecropper. In those states, the 'Rat's lies are still holding many blacks down. We must continue to show how bald faced and outright the Lie really is. Do you want a fish, or do you want a fishing pole? The 'Rat's will give you the fish, but make you pay dearly for a fishing pole. The Republicans have loads of fishing poles to give away.


67 posted on 02/01/2005 3:48:55 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: sasafras
You are forgetting something. The generational change. The civil-rights generation is not young anymore. I'll bet a lot of younger blacks see the kooks and wackos in the democratic party just like anyone else.

They just need to vote. Most dont.

68 posted on 02/01/2005 3:57:08 PM PST by BobS
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To: mhking
"I catch enough sh*t from other blacks (including my own damn family) who want to pigeon-hole me and give me guff."

Taking flack from other blacks is easily understood.

Based upon which specific issues do your family members disagree with you?

And what in their mind are the biggest "injustices" as far as they're concerned?

69 posted on 02/01/2005 4:12:48 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: phoenix0468
And Sing!!

You aren't kidding! Those going for the first time might be a bit surprised to see members of the congregation randomly stand up and start songs.
70 posted on 02/01/2005 5:18:17 PM PST by Jaysun (An "exit plan" would tell the terrorist how much longer to hang on.)
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To: goldstategop

I support this effort, but has to be going on NOW - not every two years.


71 posted on 02/01/2005 5:29:18 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Guilty! Guilty in the first degree....")
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To: BobS
"You are forgetting something. The generational change. The civil-rights generation is not young anymore. I'll bet a lot of younger blacks see the kooks and wackos in the democratic party just like anyone else.

They just need to vote. Most dont."

I am not forgetting this fact. Its the liberal whites in power who continue to force the black organizations and prominent blacks in public to support the liberals and democrats. Blacks, to date, have not shown (based on voting percentage) any change in their voting, in fact some statisticians are claiming that they are voting more solidly for liberals than previous. I see nothing which indicates blacks becoming more open minded and less dependent on liberals, but that does not mean that I would not like to see that change. Such change must come from within the black community - they have to value honest education (not whats fed to them from the govt. schools) and expect their children to succeed in education, hip-hop culture should be despised, more emphasis on a father in the home, less dependence on receiving handouts or promotions based solely on race, etc.... As Cosby is saying blacks need to quit blaming others and start to put the blame on themselves. Good advice for all liberals.
72 posted on 02/02/2005 6:13:12 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: sasafras
"I see nothing which indicates blacks becoming more open minded and less dependent on liberals, but that does not mean that I would not like to see that change."

There is one other thing to think of. It's the new media/information revolution. It will eventually plume into historically ethnic areas with alternate ideas. Then again, older folks are going to avail themselves less to it than younger, mobile folks.

Remember, most of Bush and the GOP elections last year were under the radar of the legacy media and this tactic was very successful.

73 posted on 02/02/2005 5:53:13 PM PST by BobS
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