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Posted on 02/01/2005 3:29:34 PM PST by SandRat
DOUGLAS - Individuals on the Mexican side of the border shot at a pair of U.S. Border Patrol agents on Friday and Monday, according to an agency's Tucson Sector spokeswoman.
The two incidents bring the number of shootings aimed at agents in Cochise County to three since last Wednesday and four since Oct. 1, Andrea Zortman said. All involved agents from the Douglas Station.
"They are definitely a lot more aggressive," Zortman said about assaults against agents.
In the most two recent shooting incidents in the county, a vehicle and material protecting cameras were hit, she said.
Around 6 p.m. Friday, an agent was patrolling near the Douglas International Airport when the agent "heard three distinct shots coming from Mexico," Zortman said.
The agent moved to a secure location as other agents responded to secure the scene, she said, adding, no suspects were encountered.
An examination of the agents' vehicle revealed it had been hit twice, one hitting the rear tire on the driver's side and the other went through the front bumper with the bullet lodging in the motor, Zortman said.
The Monday incident took place about 12:30 a.m. and involved an agent who was patrolling about two miles east of Douglas, near a remote video surveillance site's camera pole, she said.
"The agent heard four shots coming from Mexico," the spokeswoman said.
Again the agent headed for cover as additional agents responded, and again, no suspects were found, she added.
An inspection of the camera system was made and "revealed four bullet holes in the Plexiglas that protects the solar panels of the system," the spokeswoman said. The camera system was undamaged.
Last Wednesday's incident involved a shooting near the Douglas airport and was reported Saturday by the Sierra Vista Herald/Bisbee Daily Review. In that case an agent was fired on and said he heard bullets whiz by his head. The shots came from Mexico.
As agents were looking for the culprits, a vehicle crossed into the United States from Mexico, which apparently as a drug-load truck.
But once agents saw that action, they began a pursuit and the truck went back into Mexico.
Zortman said it is not unusual for drug smugglers to create some kind of diversion.
Since Oct. 1 through Monday, there have been 90 assault incidents against agents in the Tucson Sector, of which 27 have happened in Cochise County, Zortman said.
For all of the previous federal fiscal year there were a total of 118 assaults on agents.
Besides the shootings so far this year, assaults have included attempts to run down agents with vehicles and rocks thrown at agents.
Luckily, no agents have been injured, Zortman said.
But if the assaults continue there is a possibility that Border Patrol people may be injured or killed, she said.
If I say what I want to on this or the Admin Mod will get me.
Drug smugglers? Illegals? No difference.
It sounds as dangerous as Iraqi checkpoints. Needless to say, Iraq is a war zone.
I say we shoot back with an A-10 tank killer.
When does the shooting back begin?
In a perverted way, the more of this the better. I want to see the pressure build on Washington to fix our border and illegal problem and they need to feel all the heat possible.
"Diversion" my arse. How attempted murder.
How ABOUT attempted murder...
Shoot back with something bigger!
"If I say what I want to on this or the Admin Mod will get me."
Heard that, pardner.
Most frustrating of all is that if a BP agent did respond, they'd probably get investigated. If a regular citizen dared to defend themselves, I imagine it'd be worse than that. I am thankful that I am a tad further North, but it's bleeding all of us. Whenever I think about you folks down there right along the border and what you are being subjected to, it is all I can do to avoid erupting into a fit of rage.
Time for harsh sanctions against vicente fox and all the little foxes!
Claymores and Helo gunships would be more 'reasonable'.
Seriesly tho, Just a few well placed rifle shots should do the trick.
Does the .50 BMG have the range to reach Mexico city ???
....although the fault certainly doesn't lie with our skilled and brave Border Patrolmen.
It lies with our politicians who deny that there's a war to begin with.
He gets me alot too. So I probably won't post what should be said either.
I want that winning raffle ticket. It looks like I'm gonna need it.
"Harsh sanctions" defined as being left alone with these border patrolmen on a lonely stretch of desert road for about 15 minutes.
"In a perverted way, the more of this the better. I want to see the pressure build on Washington to fix our border and illegal problem and they need to feel all the heat possible."
Agreed. It's going to take a high profile tragedy to get anything done.
Time for a little small caliber target practice?
Look, another thread suspiciously absent of the OBL Cheerleaders.
Not only do they approve of illegal aliens, it now seems they approve of them shooting at the border patrol.
Never a harsh word for vicente and friends. Just Americans.
This is building to a head. Things cannot continue in this direction and everyone knows it.
Notice how many people have time to sit and post on this forum all day, hour by hour?
Some of them now admit they are not citizens.
That would work. However; a GE or Dillon Aero Minigun would be more precise and impressive.
Yup, and they successfully hide behind their "I fully support President Bush" rhetoric. What moderator would give the boot to a bot?
Now, now, lets not jump to conclusions on this until we hear from the illegal alien amen corner...(sound of crickets)...
>>Would a 155mm barrage in response be appropriate?? anyone ?
I'd settle for backup by a few military sniper teams, with weapons-free ROE on anyone firing across the border.
A few pings.
I noticed that too! Could it be a result of folks ignoring them?
Can I ask for an M113 Mounted 20MM Gatling? At least something with twin Ma-Duces.
The Israelis don't have to put up with this crap. Why should we?
You might want to consider spelling out "Border Patrol" in your titles in the future. Not everybody regularly discusses this issue, and my first impression of the title was that some enviro-wackos had shot at some British Petroleum agents.
As long as the pandering politicians don't equip them with sniper rifles.
I think a fair deal. No military weapons involved. Only the rifles held by US citizens. Legally of course. Assorted calibers, assorted ranges. Kind of a hodge-podge but I bet damned effective.
This once again begs the question; Are landmines really as bad as they're made out out be?
300 Weatherby Mag. not all that bad of a choice either. Never hear the bang.....
Barrett makes some nice model that are designed for just this kind of action.
These are the kind of people W wants to live amoung us legally???
Both weapons have the same distinction. Kill with one end, cripple with the other.
Yep, this is what W wants.
"They come here for a better life
they come for jobs." Today, in excess of 15 million illegal aliens now operate in the USA--not all of them come here to work. Its not that we dont have crime in America. Two million prisoners inhabit our prisons. However, according to the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, DC, an astounding 30 percent of those [2 million] prisoners constitute illegal aliens at a cost of $1.6 billion annually. That adds up to 600,000 foreigners ripping off taxpayer dollars as prisoners sit in our cells during their incarceration period.
There's no reason to use .22's unless there is a need to be quiet. I love big umph guns! That's a fact.
That area just east of Douglas is flat evil. You can hear gunfire south of the border fence frequently. Considering Mexico's draconian gun control laws, that in itself is a strong indication that the Mexican government has zero control in this vicinity.
Four Blocks to Freedom
There is a 28 year old American named Yvette Martinez who has "disappeared" in Nuevo Loredo along with 27+ other US Citizens in the past few months. After a month of the Mexican law doing nothing and the US law saying "we can do nothing-Mexico runs their own country", her father started investigating by himself, along with some news people. She and her friend were traced to an intersection where they called a friend in the States. They could see the American Flag across the border. Four blocks away.
The Mexican mayor says, "It's safe here!" The police would not help. Finally Yvette's father found her car. It was in a storage lot used by the police. They refuse to talk. The US tells him, it's not their place to question Mexico. I dont see any of the OBL shedding any tears for her heartbroken mother and father because they are hispanic. This is all about dirty money,from the corruption in Mexico, the drugs, the refusal to enforce existing law to the willing worker program.
God helps those who help themselves. Right now we aren't helping anyone except for a select few profiting with all this mess. It's not right and it's sure not American. I live in the mountains away from what many in the city are living through and not 15 miles from here are armed gangs of Illegal Latinos growing weed in the National Forests. Same gangs as Nuevo Loredo. The sheriff cant control it and the state or Federal government will not address it. They hold Mexican citizens hostage to work their fields. Its been going on for YEARS. People are afraid. And yes, we get snippy when someone calls us racist or worse because our lives and communities have been changed for the worse and the powers that be, say -TOUGH! And we thought the enviro-whackos were bad! This isnt what I promised my children.