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American, Two Iraqi's Are Charged In Tijuana
signonsandiego.com ^ | 2-2-05 | Anna Carley

Posted on 02/02/2005 8:04:35 AM PST by txdoda

February 2, 2005

TIJUANA – An American man and two Iraqis arrested at the Tijuana airport last week have been charged with immigration violations, according to Mexican authorities.

A Mexican federal judge will determine whether to dismiss the charges or proceed with a trial. The men are being held at a state prison in Tijuana.

The three flew to Tijuana from Mexico City Jan. 26 on an Aeromexico flight, but they were stopped by Mexican immigration authorities who inspected their documents, according to Mexican authorities.

The Iraqis – later identified as Steven Yohanan Kurkis and Kaml Meti Bashar – showed passports from Greece under the names of Nikolaos Skarvelis and Nabil Megalli, according to a news release from the Mexican Attorney General's Office.

The American, Samer Toma Oraha, showed an expired U.S. passport with his name on it, according to the release.

An initial investigation determined that the Iraqi citizens traveled from Greece to Spain and then to Mexico, according to Mexican authorities. Oraha, identified as their contact in Mexico City, was going to take them to the United States for about $10,000 each, according to Mexican authorities.

The Baja California border is a popular crossing point for Iraqi Chaldeans, who typically seek asylum in the United States. It was unclear whether the detained men were Chaldeans. Mexican authorities have been targeting smuggling rings that bring Middle Easterners through the border.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; immigration; iraqis; jihadinamerica; jihadnextdoor; mexico; smugglers
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Wonder if we'll hear the "rest of this story" ??

Interesting that Mexico seems to acknowledge that there are smuggling rings that bring 'middle easterners' through our southern border.

1 posted on 02/02/2005 8:04:35 AM PST by txdoda
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To: txdoda

Mexico seems to acknowledge that there are smuggling rings that bring 'middle easterners' through our southern border.

Well, yeah but they were just trying to get jobs Americans won't do......................


2 posted on 02/02/2005 8:06:37 AM PST by WhiteGuy (The Constitution requires no interpretation, only enforcement.)
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To: txdoda

wait a sec... Mexico has laws about immigration??


3 posted on 02/02/2005 8:08:59 AM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: txdoda

But the terrorists aren't crossing the border right? Right?

Wrong.


4 posted on 02/02/2005 8:10:49 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: WhiteGuy
Well, yeah but they were just trying to get jobs Americans won't do......................

*and* they're able to pay 10K each to do so.....:o(

5 posted on 02/02/2005 8:12:55 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: GeronL
wait a sec... Mexico has laws about immigration??

Immigration? Sure. Emigration? Nah.

6 posted on 02/02/2005 8:16:53 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: GeronL
wait a sec... Mexico has laws about immigration??

Sure they do.......and they enforce them.......(unless the 'mordida' pay$ enough)

7 posted on 02/02/2005 8:17:35 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: TBarnett34

I am still waiting for the Chinese, Cuban and Venezuelan military coalition to take back the southwest


8 posted on 02/02/2005 8:18:30 AM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: txdoda

It seems they enforce them on their southern border a bit better than the northern one


9 posted on 02/02/2005 8:19:00 AM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: txdoda

"Wonder if we'll hear the "rest of this story" ??

Interesting that Mexico seems to acknowledge that there are smuggling rings that bring 'middle easterners' through our southern border."

Yet our own government does not...


10 posted on 02/02/2005 8:19:43 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: txdoda

How long will it take for the OBL to say this proves that potential terrorists AREN'T getting through?


11 posted on 02/02/2005 8:20:08 AM PST by moehoward
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To: txdoda

If we give it away they will come. Keep in coming King Bush we are too stupid to understand that our border is a freaking funnel for the terrorists that would want to kill Americans. BTW thanks in advance Bush and the RINOs for allowing such terrorists to enter our country freely and destruct our way of life (sarcasm alert).

Border problem = border solution
1)take away all benefits
2)penalize employers
3)optional if 1 & 2 enforced - put up a wall


12 posted on 02/02/2005 8:22:02 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: txdoda

Wow. Didn't know Chaldean was still a recognized people group. This goes back to the Biblical times of the Chaldean empire aka Babylon and the times of Nebuchadnezzar.


13 posted on 02/02/2005 8:22:31 AM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: txdoda; mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; ...

"The Baja California border is a popular crossing point for Iraqi Chaldeans"

They could be in Iraq fighting for their country's freedom instead of our young men and women! If these guys are given asylum,we have sunk to a new low!


14 posted on 02/02/2005 8:22:48 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: txdoda; al baby

Tijuna??? I'm stuned! I will check my beeber-like device.


15 posted on 02/02/2005 8:23:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: GeronL

Why is that not a concern for anyone in the press or the government?


16 posted on 02/02/2005 8:35:37 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: satchmodog9
Is that a trick question?

unfortunately our government is not concerned, and the media could care less.

17 posted on 02/02/2005 8:37:21 AM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: txdoda
See?? There really is "border enforcement"...

My arse.

A Mexican federal judge will determine whether to dismiss the charges or proceed with a trial. The men are being held at a state prison in Tijuana.

Translation: UNTIL a large deposit is wired into a certain Swiss bank account, the "trial" will go forth.

18 posted on 02/02/2005 8:40:34 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: txdoda

Weren't they looking for two Iraqi men along with the Chinese who supposedly were smuggled in through Mexico to plant a dirty bomb in Boston?


19 posted on 02/02/2005 8:40:35 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: JustAnotherSavage
They could be in Iraq fighting for their country's freedom instead of our young men and women! If these guys are given asylum,we have sunk to a new low!

Yep, that's just two more questions (in this small article) our gov't *should* answer.

20 posted on 02/02/2005 8:50:06 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: freeperfromnj

That "dirty bomb in Boston" story turned out to be a hoax.


21 posted on 02/02/2005 8:52:26 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

I know. I just thought it odd that "two Iraqis" turn up on the Mexican border a week after the whole hoax incident involving two Iraqis surfaced.


22 posted on 02/02/2005 9:00:03 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
That "dirty bomb in Boston" story turned out to be a hoax.

That's what the sheeple were *told*........however, the sheeple are also *told* no middle easterners are crossing our southern borders illegally.

23 posted on 02/02/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: GeronL

scares the hell out of me to tell you the truth


24 posted on 02/02/2005 9:04:39 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: freeperfromnj; TruthShallSetYouFree
I know. I just thought it odd that "two Iraqis" turn up on the Mexican border a week after the whole hoax incident involving two Iraqis surfaced.

A week later ??? Mexico claims they've had these guys since Jan. 26th.

But I'm sure this is just *another* coincidence, ya know all upstanding 'middle easterners' travel with phony documents....../sarcasm

25 posted on 02/02/2005 9:08:03 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: gubamyster

FYI.........another interesting story from south of the border.


26 posted on 02/02/2005 9:14:22 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


27 posted on 02/02/2005 9:18:06 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: txdoda

An initial investigation determined that the Iraqi citizens traveled from Greece to Spain and then to Mexico, according to Mexican authorities. Oraha, identified as their contact in Mexico City, was going to take them to the United States for about $10,000 each, according to Mexican authorities.

>>>

HA! How many Criminal Invaders illegally cross each day WITHOUT fanfare or arrest??


28 posted on 02/02/2005 9:21:03 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped mein Koran with a jihadist...)
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To: txdoda

Were they going to Boston?


29 posted on 02/02/2005 10:09:25 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

"That "dirty bomb in Boston" story turned out to be a hoax."

As far as the "bomb" part, yes, it seems the coyote was out to get "immigrees" that didn't pay him. Nothing has shown the part about the Iraqi's or the Chinese sneaking into the country was incorrect.


30 posted on 02/02/2005 10:19:52 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Current polls (3)are still open on FR on this subject.

I find the results of this one interesting. 7.5 % say immigration is not a problem or favor open borders.



http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=10;results=1

Illegal immigration is the problem. 33.8% 1,008
Seal and militarize borders. 33.1% 986
Borders should be closed. 15.7% 467
Immigration should be reduced. 10.1% 300
Borders should be open. 4.1% 121
Immigration is not a big issue. 3.4% 101
100.2% 2,983
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31 posted on 02/02/2005 10:43:14 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

We are witnessing just how the STUPID PARTY acquired it's handle...


32 posted on 02/02/2005 10:45:26 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: WhiteGuy

<< ... Mexico seems to acknowledge that there are smuggling rings that bring 'middle easterners' through our southern border. >>

Siggggggggghhhhhhhhhh -- if only the Canadians would be so candid.


33 posted on 02/02/2005 10:50:56 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Adua Ad Astra!)
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To: txdoda

United States for about $10,000 each? For a job to pick lettuce?


34 posted on 02/02/2005 11:04:46 AM PST by occutegirl ("She is too fond of books, and it has turned her brain." ~ Louisa May Alcott)
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To: JustAnotherSavage; bayourod
I find the results of this one interesting. 7.5 % say immigration is not a problem or favor open borders.

How can this be ??? The OBLer's have told us many times that immigration always rates low in any poll......./sarcasm

Even the 'members only' poll on FR, shows a measly 3.4% think immigration is not a *big issue*.

Illegal immigration is the problem. 33.8% 994

Seal and militarize borders. 33.0% 970

Borders should be closed. 15.7% 461

Immigration should be reduced. 10.1% 297

Borders should be open. 4.0% 119

Immigration is not a big issue. 3.4% 101 100.0% 2,942

35 posted on 02/02/2005 11:08:08 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: B4Ranch
Were they going to Boston?

Another good question to add to this news report.

*Maybe* someone will inform the White House (as they did about the 'comic book'), then we can all wait patiently for a reply.

36 posted on 02/02/2005 11:11:47 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: satchmodog9
scares the hell out of me to tell you the truth

As it should !!

Any chance you hold an 'elected office' in DC ???

37 posted on 02/02/2005 11:14:38 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: ApesForEvolution
HA! How many Criminal Invaders illegally cross each day WITHOUT fanfare or arrest??

NOBODY KNOWS !!

38 posted on 02/02/2005 11:17:08 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: txdoda
So, the DHS and it's alphabet network is just another worthless, bloated bureaucracy? No way...
39 posted on 02/02/2005 11:18:39 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: txdoda
From Gallup yesterday:

"Although the perceived importance of immigration has increased, it remains near the bottom of a list of issues in terms of the priority the president and Congress should give it, according to the public. "

40 posted on 02/02/2005 11:18:49 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Brian Allen
Siggggggggghhhhhhhhhh -- if only the Canadians would be so candid.

Better yet......the US GOVERNMENT !!

41 posted on 02/02/2005 11:19:20 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: bayourod
From Gallup yesterday:

Yes, you always have faith in the Gallup polls, while claiming all others are *flawed*.

Guess you think the FR 'members' poll was 'hacked' also, since it doesn't seem to reflect your views/options that you continually post.

42 posted on 02/02/2005 11:26:34 AM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: txdoda
If I were in office you would know.I would be the one on CSPAN every day trying to have most members of congress arrested.
43 posted on 02/02/2005 11:26:52 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: txdoda

Nobody knows!!

Exactly and this is being discussed more and more,that we have lost track of the multitudes of illegals. On CNN last night, 50% of the school children in a Missouri town were illegals that had no English skills. You should have seen the kids, i n their native clothing...looked like a miniature UN Meeting! We have no idea who is here or what they want.

Wake up America!
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Current polls (3)are still open on FR on this subject.

I find the results of this one interesting. 7.5 % say immigration is not a problem or favor open borders.



http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=10;results=1

Illegal immigration is the problem. 33.8% 1,008
Seal and militarize borders. 33.1% 986
Borders should be closed. 15.7% 467
Immigration should be reduced. 10.1% 300
Borders should be open. 4.1% 121
Immigration is not a big issue. 3.4% 101
100.2% 2,983
__________

3 immigration polls at: http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll


44 posted on 02/02/2005 11:32:49 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

These are most likely Iraqi CHRISTIANS (Chaldeans)who are fleeing from the persecution they have endured since the war. They have been targeted for helping the coalition, their churches bombed, their schools bombed. The women have had acid thrown on them for not wearing Muslim headdress, their stores have been bombed. I have read that since the war 400,000 have fled Iraq because of this. Check it out, it seems a huge disgrace to me that we have not tried to better protect this minority which should be dear to our hearts. Some of these CHRISTIANS still speak Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke (Passion of the Christ) and they are the only ones in the world who do. We should be giving them asylum, not forcing them to sneak over the border. Send the Arabs back and incorporate the Christians who could benefit our society and work as translators in our intelligence efforts.


45 posted on 02/02/2005 11:38:25 AM PST by tinamina
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To: tinamina

Why aren't they seeking asylum instead of coming in illegally? The US has given asylum to many of those you speak of. I would hope they are not turning away those that deserve it, but that is just one more ineffective part of our entire immigration "non policy".


46 posted on 02/02/2005 11:54:20 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: tinamina
These are most likely Iraqi CHRISTIANS (Chaldeans)who are fleeing from the persecution they have endured since the war.

Did you *read* the article ?? If these two wanted asylum why not just fly to the USA or even Canada claim it ??

These two stopped in Greece apparently, obtained phony documents, & made plans to meet a smuggler in Mexico City to pay him 10K each, to smuggle them into the USA.

But hey, I guess there's still a *few* of you in the USA that are OK with these sort of *travel arrangements*, & the actions of this *so-called* American citizen SMUGGLER.

47 posted on 02/02/2005 12:06:08 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: ApesForEvolution
So, the DHS and it's alphabet network is just another worthless, bloated bureaucracy? No way...

Yep, hopefully DHS will put down their crayons, & maybe 're-check' Mexico's *thorough* investigation of these three.

48 posted on 02/02/2005 12:11:45 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: txdoda

Mexico just resents the foreign competition.


49 posted on 02/02/2005 1:58:44 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Winning wars was easier when the Democrats and their MSM was on our side.)
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To: txdoda
The Baja California border is a popular crossing point for Iraqi Chaldeans, who typically seek asylum in the United States.

Why aren't they applying through regular channels? It is widely known that Chaldean Christians are persecuted, so I would think it wouldn't be difficult for them to get in the country legally. I'd be suspicious of someone using this argument for trying to get in illegally.

50 posted on 02/02/2005 2:10:49 PM PST by SuziQ
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