The Knights and the lesbians: Exhibit A in same-sex uproar

Globe and Mail ^ | February 2, 2005 | Michael Valpy

[St. Johann Tetzel]

Fourth Bruce: Rule Six, there is NO ... Rule Six. Rule Seven,

Everybruce: No Poofters!!

[coconutt2000]

If the Knights of Columbus lose this, then they may eventually be forced to open up their membership to Gays and Lesbians.

People who push for "gay rights" only further alienate gay people from mainstream society. Especially when no actual "rights" are denied to gay people, and what "gay rights" activists are really pushing for is an invasion of privileges, not civil rights.

[retrokitten]

The Knights, adhering to church teaching, which is against homosexual marriage, cancelled a rental contract that had been signed, returned the couple's deposit and paid for both the rental of a new hall and the reprinting of wedding invitations after Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith complained that invitations listing the hall's address for their reception had been mailed.

That was in September, 2003. In October, the couple complained to the Human Rights Tribunal, which heard the case last week. A decision is not expected for months.

The K of C went out of their way to help these 'womyn' out after they cancelled the contract and they run to the government?? They are just pushing their agenda on the K of C.

[Cultural Jihad]

A free people doesn't need the some government bureaucrat to decide for them . . .

I wouldn't call some redneck who hates people and refuses to do business with them based upon some immutable characteristic or creed as being really "free," but a slave to his bigotry.

[WestTexasWend]

If they get a settlement they're going to build their own reception spot, the Nights of Clamidia Hall.

[Sloth]

Sounds like a revision to the Arthurian Legend.

I suppose I could stay a bit longer...

[St. Johann Tetzel]

Oops, almost forgot Bruce's Philosopher's song.

[ArrogantBustard]

Do lesbians qualify as "poofters"?

[nina0113]

Asking the K of C to reant a hall for a Dyke marriage is like asking the NAACP to host a KKK ralley.,P.What the ^%#& were these "women" thinking??

They were looking for a good lawsuit, & they found one. They already got a free reception out of the deal.

[frogjerk]

I wouldn't call some redneck who hates people and refuses to do business with them based upon some immutable characteristic or creed as being really "free," but a slave to his bigotry.

Who is the redneck in this story?

[rightwingcrazy]

Ms. Smith as being comparable to a hypothetical case in which, if the Knights ran a daycare, they refused to accept the children of a lesbian couple.

This is a false comparison, since the children would presumably be doing nothing at the daycare offensive to the Knights' religious beliefs.

[Truthsearcher]

Yeah, but all you're doing is offering to be his new master.

He's is answerable to god for his prejudices and other failings.

[St. Johann Tetzel]

Hmmmm...hafta consult the TTGC?

[OpusatFR]

"The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal has just finished hearing Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith's claim that the Knights, a Roman Catholic men's fraternal and philanthropic society, discriminated against the couple by refusing to rent the hall to them after learning it was for a same-sex wedding reception."

"Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith complained that invitations listing the hall's address for their reception had been mailed."

Question: How did this lesbian couple present themselves to the Knights when the first meeting occurred to rent the hall? Did they tell the Knight's that they were a lesbian couple? Or did they just say it was for a wedding reception and allowed the Knights' to assume it was for a heterosexual couple?

[theDentist]

Human Rights Tribunal

Is that a real Court in Canada, or one of these pseudo-Courts like you find in the Hague or in a back-room at the Kennedy Center?

[arizonarachel]

Not to take away from the actual meat of the article but:
"Ms. findlay, who does not use capital letters in the spelling of her name..."

What is that about?

[dmz]

Jim!

Hey Jim!!!!

Jim Crow, is that you?

[gidget7]

Calling people a 'minority group' because they do evil deeds while the vast majority of people do not do evil deeds is a slap in the face of legitimate minorities.


BINGO!! Behavior does not a "minority group" make!! Not smokers, not drinkers, not hunters, not HOMOSEXUALS!! What do you say we lobby for it to be removed!! (fat chance it might be reversed!)

[gidget7]

"Ms. findlay, who does not use capital letters in the spelling of her name..."
What is that about?


She is obviously a "buck the system in every way possible!" type feminist.

[Loyalist]

Reader beware: here is the explanation from barbara findlay's website.

My name is spelled without capital letters. People make many assumptions about why that is. Here is the story. I have always signed my name without capital letters. When I was taking a graduate studies program in law in 1990, I had letterhead designed and my name was in lower case. I liked it, so I continued it when I went back into private practice. What an uproar! Lawyers called me up to say that they had a vote in their firm about why I chose that spelling; a court once rejected an Order because ‘my name was not properly spelled’ the local queer newspaper refused for years to spell my name without capitals; etc. etc. I realized that I had a perfect illustration of how we react when someone moves even a tiny bit away from the norm, and even with respect to something that impacts no one else at all. So I have kept that spelling, and I tell this story in unlearning oppression workshops.