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YES, I KNOW KERRY SAID 'DELIVERED WEAPONS TO THE KHMER ROUGE'
NRO ^ | 1/31/05 | jim geraghty

Posted on 02/02/2005 2:55:23 PM PST by swilhelm73

Many TKS readers are asking about this odd comment by Kerry:

SEN. KERRY: I still have the hat that he gave me, and I hope the guy would come out of the woodwork and say, "I'm the guy who went up with John Kerry. We delivered weapons to the Khmer Rouge on the coastline of Cambodia." Actually, looking back at the original article in which Kerry mentions the lucky hat, Kerry didn't quite specify the purpose of his mission with the man who wore the hat.

A close associate hints: There's a secret compartment in Kerry's briefcase. He carries the black attaché everywhere. Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside. Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

"Who told you?" he demanded as he reached inside. "My friends don't know about this."

The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

"My good luck hat," Kerry said, happy to see it. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

Kerry put on the hat, pulling the brim over his forehead. His blue button-down shirt and tie clashed with the camouflage. He pointed his finger and raised his thumb, creating an imaginary gun. He looked silly, yet suddenly his campaign message was clear: Citizen-soldier. Linking patriotism to public service. It wasn't complex after all; it was Kerry.

He smiled and aimed his finger: "Pow."

Of course, Kerry has said "I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians," suggesting that he was being shot at by the Khmer Rouge.

But James Robbins of NRO wondered about this:

could Kerry have come under fire from the Khmer Rouge and Cambodians? At the very least one wonders how he knew the identity of those who were shooting at him. The claim of having faced off with the Khmer Rouge is most suspect. In the period in question, Pol Pot's band was not very large, and was based mainly in the mountains in the northeast corner of the country. The Khmer Rouge did not become a major fighting force until 1970, when with Chinese and North Vietnamese support, they expanded from a few thousand to 100,000 fighters. Instapundit looked at the Khmer Rouge claims during the campaign, with many links.

The Powerline guys looked into this and concluded, "Different sources assign different dates to the beginning of military action by the Khmer Rouge, but we've seen no support for the proposition that the Khmer Rouge were in the field (as opposed to existing as a political organization) in January 1969."

Short version: I have no idea why Senator Kerry claimed on Sunday to have been on a mission to ferry weapons to the Khmer Rouge, the Communist army under the direction of Pol Pot.


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1 posted on 02/02/2005 2:55:23 PM PST by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

I heard this and I was shocked no one followed up or questioned the statement....at the very least I don't ever want to hear any dim or lib-media complain Sadaam was our ally in the 1980's!!!


2 posted on 02/02/2005 2:58:22 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: God luvs America

Like ALL LIBERALS, the nitwit kerry lives in a fantasy land.


3 posted on 02/02/2005 2:59:34 PM PST by Jazzman1
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To: swilhelm73
Short version: I have no idea why Senator Kerry claimed on Sunday to have been on a mission to ferry weapons to the Khmer Rouge, the Communist army under the direction of Pol Pot.

"Khmer rouge" was just a verbal slip-up. He couldn't tell the truth - he was on a mission to assassinate Col. Kurtz - that's still classified.

4 posted on 02/02/2005 3:00:32 PM PST by Shermy
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To: swilhelm73

With so many stories it's tough to keep it all straight.


5 posted on 02/02/2005 3:00:51 PM PST by Recon Dad (First sign the 180)
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To: swilhelm73
The mission was so secret, he would have to kill himself if he actually knew about it.
6 posted on 02/02/2005 3:01:03 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: Recon Dad
With so many stories it's tough to keep it all straight.

He's wingin' it.

7 posted on 02/02/2005 3:01:53 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

The mission was so secret, he would have to kill himself if he actually knew about it.

&&

That's too clever. I truly did LOL at that one.


8 posted on 02/02/2005 3:04:37 PM PST by Bigg Red (Never again trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: swilhelm73

Why he still feels the need to lie, hype, and fabricate is beyond me. Certainly he must realize that he's not going to beat out Hillary in '08. Perhaps he just can't admit to himself that he's a has-been....also-ran....history.....yesterday's new.....


9 posted on 02/02/2005 3:05:41 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: God luvs America
I thought John-boy delivered those munitions when he visited Paris.........
10 posted on 02/02/2005 3:09:05 PM PST by pointsal
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To: swilhelm73
Why are we STILL waiting for him to sign form 180??

Did he not tell T. Russert he'd sign it, what is he waiting for?

11 posted on 02/02/2005 3:11:49 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: pointsal

Kerry also said he would release all of his military records when Russert ask him. None of these talk show hosts ever follow up and hold Kerry's feet to the fire.
Kerry has a special permit to lie to everyone.


12 posted on 02/02/2005 3:15:11 PM PST by Revererdrv (e)
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To: swilhelm73

This was posted during the campaign:

"On more than one occasion, I like Martin Sheen in "Apocalypse Now," took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.John Kerry “Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.

The Kerry Campaign has now admitted that this was a fabrication. This is far from a slip of the tongue this is a well thought out written attack on a President and country that not only impugned them, but the Ex-Government of South Vietnam. This soon became the basic prejudice of the history of the Vietnam War. The damage by this statement and further statements shamed an entire generation of men who gave their heroic service to their country and turned it to humiliation.

John Kerry came back from the war a decorated hero and soon parlayed that into the most decorated witness of war crime atrocities committed by the United States and South Vietnam. Nobody would question his truthfulness because he had chest full of medals and had no motivation to lie. Anybody who questioned him was quickly painted as a war criminal and a tool of the military. He was subsequently announced as the only moral person in an immoral war and this is exactly why this lie is so sickening.

We have now found and John Kerry has admitted that he was never in Cambodia on Christmas Eve or any other time. He never violated Cambodia’s sovereignty and neither did the South Vietnamese Army. Forget that President Nixon was not in office in 1968, but he never ordered any American Troops into Cambodia. President Nixon was telling the truth and John Kerry, decorated war hero was lying. President Nixon had to surrender to the North Vietnamese in shame and went to his grave a war criminal because of these lies. Richard Nixon we find four decades later, was telling the Truth.

His testimony and this story was the foundation of the Vietnam scar on America’s military. The stories of torturing prisoners and villagers became the visual of Viet Nam. The indiscriminate incursions into Cambodia and Laos was common knowledge. Because of these stories the soldiers came back from Nam to be spit upon by the American public. Now we find out these stories were all the fantasy of a young John Kerry who managed to keep his fabrications in the America’s consciousness. Vietnam became the rifle butt that hammered our military, over and over again. All of this was built off of the Cambodia lie and his false testimony to Congress.

John Kerry was still telling these lies as of last year when he showed off a hat he brought back from his Cambodia incursion. This he claimed was his lucky hat, given to him by a CIA agent?? What kind of dementia is this man suffering from? Did he actually believe any of his lies or did he enjoy being Mr Macho who steered his boat into another country during combat? Did he enjoy being Blood and Guts Kerry or was there something more sinister??

Because of this lie both Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon became the Pyrrhus’ of American politics. Both went to their graves as accused war criminals, violating the sovereignty of innocent countries. As we find out that they were the innocent victims of a smear campaign led by John Kerry. John Kerry painted himself as the only moral person in an immoral war. As we find out the military was indeed fighting this war morally and the only immoral person in this story was John Kerry. Because of this lie two Presidents were made war criminals and an entire generation of soldiers were spit on. What can John Kerry offer to repair his damage he has done to America?? The very least he can do is finally come clean, apologize for his atrocious lies and resign from the race!

Pray for W and Our Troops



13 posted on 02/02/2005 3:15:59 PM PST by bray (Iraq Freed Politically and Pray it will be Freed Spiritually)
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To: anniegetyourgun

"Perhaps he just can't admit to himself that he's a has-been."

You give him too much credit. A has-been has been. He has never been. He's a pathetic never-been.


14 posted on 02/02/2005 3:20:26 PM PST by layman
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To: swilhelm73
The Christmas in Cambodia story was initially told by Kerry to indict and embarrass the Nixon Administration. However, under close scrutiny, the story falls apart.

In 2004-5 Kerry has to dance around the subject and muddle it. After all, he's only retold the story some 50 times to media and in speeches over the last 35 years. So he can't just it was all a fantasy.

Now, he has to try to make it all fit; but the pegs don't all fit.

It wasn't exactly Christmas, but sometime around that time, but maybe later but not too much later because Kerry left Viet Nam just a couple of months later.

It wasn't exactly IN Cambodia, but close, but 5 miles inside, maybe, all those shorelines looked alike in those days (as were medals and ribbons interchangeable).

It wasn't exactly the Vietnamese or Cambodians or Khmer Rouge who fired on Kerry and company that Christmas eve, or was it? Well, maybe, or, maybe not.

It wasn't exactly a mission for President Nixon, but President-elect Nixon, but President-elect wouldn't have authority to send the CIA on secret missions, or would he?

It wasn't exactly a mission with the CIA, but it was secret. So secret that even in 2004, Kerry can't talk about it.

And on and on and on....

Kerry is caught in a muddles bunch of lies and fabrications that have a 35-year-old history of his retelling. Now, he is caught with his pants down about the story. It just all won't fit together under scrutiny.
15 posted on 02/02/2005 3:23:29 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: layman

I stand corrected.


16 posted on 02/02/2005 3:24:25 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Revererdrv
Kerry also said he would release all of his military records when Russert ask him.

Kerry said the same thing in his late spring/early summer interview on MTP in 2004. Russert never followed up, then, either. And Kerry used the same 'nuance' that 'all the records that he had received were on his website'. Ok, but did he request all or just specific ones? If all, then that would mean he signed a 180; so we have to assume Kerry cherry-picked only certain docs and requested they be released.
17 posted on 02/02/2005 3:26:38 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy; All

If... If Kerry was delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge, he wasn't delivering them for us.

Which Navy was Kerry in again? Ours or the Communists'?


18 posted on 02/02/2005 3:30:17 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: swilhelm73; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

This sounds like the war stories people tell to entertain their grandkids.

Please someone of the period tell if the CIA would ever had included a man of Kerrys rank and duties in a covert gun running operation.

19 posted on 02/02/2005 3:32:38 PM PST by carlr
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To: swilhelm73
Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

"Who told you?" he demanded as he reached inside. "My friends don't know about this."

The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

"My good luck hat," Kerry said, happy to see it. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

OH, SHUT-UP!!! That BS is so thick you can't stir it with a paddle. The only reason anybody knows about that stupid hat is because Kerry wanted it known. "Trapped in an interview" my ass. This was a total set-up.

20 posted on 02/02/2005 3:33:19 PM PST by silent_jonny (The Nightime Sniffling Sneezing Coughing Aching Stuffyhead Fever So You Can Freep Medicine)
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To: layman
He has never been.

But, he almost was...President. Had the Bin Laden tape not surfaced the weekend before the election, I strongly believe Kerry would have been elected. But the tape reminded enough people that the WoT and threat of Bin Laden were real that they voted for Bush.

Considering the whole of the world of knowledge we have about Kerry, I am in wonderment at how Kerry came so close to almost winning. That is truly scary.
21 posted on 02/02/2005 3:34:03 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy

The Swift Boat Vets are right. Kerry lied and continues to lie about his 4 months in Vietnam. If Kerry didn't lie he would have released his records during the campaign. He would have won votes. Now, what is in it for Kerry to release his records? The records would prove again that Kerry lied. Russert is still a biased Democrat.


22 posted on 02/02/2005 3:34:11 PM PST by Revererdrv (e)
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To: layman

Well said.


23 posted on 02/02/2005 3:34:25 PM PST by silent_jonny (The Nightime Sniffling Sneezing Coughing Aching Stuffyhead Fever So You Can Freep Medicine)
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To: swilhelm73

Since Nam, John Kerry has shoveled such a voluminous pile of bullsh*t in hope of creating a "hero," that not even Kerry himself is capable of sifting through it to find a shred of truth.


24 posted on 02/02/2005 3:39:20 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Revererdrv

I have a friend with the same disease Kerry has. If you tell a story he isnt happy until he tells a bigger one. He cant tell which stories are lies, and which arent he tells them so often. In Kerrys mind these stories are probably true. but only in his mind.


25 posted on 02/02/2005 3:49:09 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: bray
What kind of dementia is this man suffering from?

Kerry clearly displays symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Deep down he must loath himself. So he fabricates his entire life story to puff himself up, become the focus of attention, be adored by others. He cannot answer a straight question on MTP without internal contradictions, because he is paralyzed when confronted by the need to choose a single story. He'd rather keep all possible life stories available for future use. He has no straight answer nor any core beliefs other than getting people to think he's a hero.

The Swifties punctured him mortally. Pundits on the left kept asking why Kerry didn't "fight back" harder when attacked by the Swifties. Kerry himself says the lesson he learned is that he didn't "fight" back hard enough. When asked whether he'd sign the 180, his response was childlike "I'll do it if THEY do it first. Nah nah nah!" As if the swifties were seeking to be elected President. No, the truth was, as we all know, Kerry couldn't fight back because he had nothing but lies to fight with, and all the facts and evidence would kill him in a manner more significant than any bullet from a drunken South Vietnamese soldier's rifle.

The country dodged a big bullet with this election. Kerry is no more a narcissist than Clinton or Gore, picking and choosing their personalities, but where Clinton is a high functioning personality-challenged human, say 8 on a 10 point scale, and Gore a 5, Kerry barely rates a 2.

26 posted on 02/02/2005 3:50:17 PM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: Starrgaizr

Brutal analysis. And probably 100% right.


27 posted on 02/02/2005 3:54:26 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel
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To: anniegetyourgun

"I dont' know why he feels compelled to lie?"
the same reason Bill and Hillary Clinton lie so much- he thinks it is to his advantage -keeps you busy running after the last story- only this guy is not as cagey. He has led an imaginary life - one he could not really carry out so he borrows others stories for himself. A sad case.I always wonder if the Dems are thinking this about the right all the time and it makes them crazy. But then again- they have Dan Rather on their side........


28 posted on 02/02/2005 3:57:42 PM PST by newzhawk
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To: swilhelm73

Let's face it. Kerry is so full of SH*T, that were he to be given an enema, all that would remain would easily fit into a matchbox.

Pure and simple.

THANK GOD and the American electorate that PRESIDENT BUSH was re-elected.


29 posted on 02/02/2005 4:01:18 PM PST by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: TomGuy

"Considering the whole of the world of knowledge we have about Kerry, I am in wonderment at how Kerry came so close to almost winning. That is truly scary."

I agree. I think many first time voters made the difference this time around ... I was one of them ... and I'm dumfounded that Kerry received even ONE vote.


30 posted on 02/02/2005 4:02:42 PM PST by layman
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To: swilhelm73

geez this idiot spent FOUR WHOLE MONTHS in Viet Nam... got transferred out by collecting 3 purple hearts for scratches WITHIN that 4 months...

The 3 least earned yet more proudly displayed medals since Johnsons 'medal of valor' for flying on a helicopter once.


31 posted on 02/02/2005 4:04:52 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: TomGuy
I am in wonderment at how Kerry came so close to almost winning.

Because the pansy-ass, weak-kneed, ball-less, gutless, clueless trust-fund babies running the Bush campaign. They NEVER ONCE REFUTED A KERRY LIE ABOUT BUSH'S AGENDA.

Kerry told lies about himself, CBS told lies about Bush, and it was ordinary people (such as Buckhead here on FR) who exposed the truth.

It was not the Bush campaign.

32 posted on 02/02/2005 4:04:57 PM PST by GoBucks2002
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To: swilhelm73

Mr. Kerry, if you still have your CIA cyanide capsule in case you were captured, would you please now take it.


34 posted on 02/02/2005 4:08:13 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: sgtbono2002

I know the type. I can do anything better than you. It has a lot to do with ego and deep rooted inferior problems only a professional could sort out. John Kerry is not 100% in touch with reality and has problems between facts and fiction. He may believe his own make believe stories!


35 posted on 02/02/2005 4:24:36 PM PST by Revererdrv (e)
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To: GoBucks2002
It was not the Bush campaign.

I agree with that.

While the Libs were voting 'Anybody But Bush', the other side were voting 'Anybody But Kerry'.
36 posted on 02/02/2005 4:25:26 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

What's interesting and scary is that the Dems and leftists in general are so attracted to these narcissistic politicians. It's just a variation on the left's fascination with dictators and cult of personality trumping liberty.


37 posted on 02/02/2005 4:28:58 PM PST by Starrgaizr
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To: layman

The Democrats piled on layers and layers of Bush hate. The hatred was the only thing that Kerry had to gain votes.
Many of the people voting for Kerry, would have voted for
just about anyone other than Bush.


38 posted on 02/02/2005 4:29:52 PM PST by Revererdrv (e)
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To: swilhelm73

Perhaps the Khmer Rouge were our friends until they met Kerry -- then became our enemies?


39 posted on 02/02/2005 4:31:43 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: God luvs America; Defender2; Blue Scourge; armyman; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; txradioguy; ...

"I heard this and I was shocked no one followed up or questioned the statement...."

Hanoi Kerry has protection form the left AND right.

Why do you thing MAIN Stream RIGHT Wing Media skipped over this?

Why do you think a traitor serves in the US Senate?



41 posted on 02/02/2005 4:39:26 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (I served in Viet Nam Oct'68-Apr'69 I'm a war criminal, Hanoi Kerry is a hero AND a US Senator)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
The mission was so secret, he would have to kill himself if he actually knew about it.

Oh, oh, oh! Pick me! Pick me! Pick me! Let me tell him! Pleeeeeeze!

43 posted on 02/02/2005 4:44:41 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Shermy

Still no good -- the real Kurtz was up in the jungle of the Belgian Congo (see Heart of Darkness, Joseph Conrad).


44 posted on 02/02/2005 4:44:51 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Revererdrv

You mean, like Algore?


45 posted on 02/02/2005 4:46:32 PM PST by expatpat
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To: layman

Make that "never-been-never-gonna-be"


46 posted on 02/02/2005 4:46:45 PM PST by NRA1995 ("Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steelers fan & Ah think yer gonna fin'lly understand")
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To: swilhelm73

If Kerry opens his mouth it is a lie.


47 posted on 02/02/2005 4:51:09 PM PST by sweetiepiezer ((((((((((((((MARINES))))))))))))))
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To: TomGuy
Had the Bin Laden tape not surfaced the weekend before the election, I strongly believe Kerry would have been elected. But the tape reminded enough people that the WoT and threat of Bin Laden were real that they voted for Bush.

Charles Krauthammer (sp) wrote an article right after the election and remarked on the irony that "...Osama bin Laden pulled his nemesis across the finish line."

48 posted on 02/02/2005 4:52:55 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: carlr
Please someone of the period tell if the CIA would ever had included a man of Kerrys rank and duties in a covert gun running operation.

People who are supposed to know about such things have said that Kerry's claims are preposterous.

First off, an inexperienced junior officer such as Kerry would never have been asked to undertake such a sensitive mission.

Second, Swift boats were anything but stealthy -- very loud diesels and relatively deep draft. Insertion missions would have used something much smaller...and much, much quieter. Indeed, the CIA had a fleet of such boats for that specific purpose.

Kerry's tales are nothing more than an exercise in lily gilding, told by a fool.

49 posted on 02/02/2005 4:53:22 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: bray
And did you notice the look on his face when he said he was waiting for that CIA agent to come forward? It was "Please, Mr. Soros, find someone to come forward and say that he was that person".
If John Kerry was my son, I would slap the shit out of his mother.
50 posted on 02/02/2005 4:54:01 PM PST by LowInMo (Why haven't we seen Ted Kennedy on "Cold Case'?)
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