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Iranian Alert - February 3, 2005 - President Bush to the Iranian people..."America stands with you"
Regime Change Iran ^ | 2.3.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:20 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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President Bush Stands with the Iranian People

Excerpts of the Presidents State of the Union speech discussing Iran (Courtesy of RealPolitics.com):
Today, Iran remains the world's primary state sponsor of terror - pursuing nuclear weapons while depriving its people of the freedom they seek and deserve.

We are working with European allies to make clear to the Iranian regime that it must give up its uranium enrichment program and any plutonium re-processing, and end its support for terror.

And to the Iranian people, I say tonight:

As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

A Daily Briefing of Major News Stories on Iran:

Letter From: The Office of Iran of Tomorrow Movement (URGENT) - Blog Iran

Bush to State His Case for Diplomacy - Telegraph

US Says Early Days of Iran Diplomacy - Reuters

Abbas Accepts Invitation to Visit Iran - Reuters

Iran-Backed Hamas, Hizbullah Agree to Continue Fight Against Israel - World Tribune

GE Halts New Business Orders in Iran - The Associated Press

Iran Says Nuclear Talks with Europe Stalled - VOA News

Iran Says it Will Never Scrap Nuclear Program - The Associated Press, The Jerusalem Post

Iran, North Korea, and the NPT's Loopholes - Council on Foreign Relations



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1 posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:23 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 02/02/2005 9:18:38 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
Regime change indeed. I hope the Iranian people heard their first shot of freedom tonight.

5.56mm

3 posted on 02/02/2005 9:21:35 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: DoctorZIn
And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

Bush is laying down the law and he knows how.

4 posted on 02/02/2005 9:23:32 PM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: DoctorZIn

President Bush directly spoke to the vastly pro-US Youth [70%] populace in Iran.


5 posted on 02/02/2005 9:23:56 PM PST by freedom44
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To: M Kehoe

Bush 1 encouraged Iraqis to overthrow Saddam and left them twisting in the wind when they tried.

I believe GWB means what he says though.


6 posted on 02/02/2005 9:26:28 PM PST by UnChained
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To: DoctorZIn

A fantastic speech, and I'm pleased Iran was highlighted so. It will be interesting to hear the world's response.


7 posted on 02/02/2005 9:26:47 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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To: DoctorZIn

I thought he called out the mullahs in unequivocal terms. I don't think they will mistake his meaning. He means to see them out of power and for democracy to take root in Iran.

It will be a pleasure to watch how this chess game is played out. Dubya and his posse know how to get things done.

Sez Cheney, "I don't know if we can hold back the Israelis much longer (chuckle, snort)."


8 posted on 02/02/2005 9:27:25 PM PST by telebob
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To: DoctorZIn; freedom44
Doc Zin... I was thinking of you and Freedom44 when George W. Bush was speaking to the Iranian people about their choices. GWB says what he means and does what he says, Liberty is just around the corner........
9 posted on 02/02/2005 9:28:31 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288; DoctorZIn; freedom44
I don't know that this means we are ready to cross the border...although the Leftists will try to make that interpretation!
10 posted on 02/02/2005 9:31:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: UnChained
I believe GWB means what he says though.

If history be your guide.

5.56mm

11 posted on 02/02/2005 9:31:50 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We will not need to, Iran is ripe or Democracy. I pray for the Iranians daily. Persians are wonderful people that have been hijacked by the radicals. Their day is coming and God willing, they will soon have purple ink on their finger as well.
12 posted on 02/02/2005 9:35:41 PM PST by MJY1288
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To: DoctorZIn

Bush called out the Mullahs and put them on notice (rightly so, IMO). Iran will be free one day. Probably not tomorrow, but it will be free.


13 posted on 02/02/2005 9:38:51 PM PST by GiveEmDubya
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To: All

Why Iran needs to be concerned with President Bush's speech

I believe the President is warning the Iranian regime that while he is preparing to take out their nuclear facilities, if absolutely necessary, he is also preparing to significantly ramp up international support for the Iranian people in their struggle to reclaim their country.

I expect we will begin to hear a lot more of Iran's human rights violations in order to win over the support of the European people who in turn will pressure their governments to stop all trade (the EU's only real weapon) until the regime guarantee's the Iranian people's human rights. Such international support was essential in the recent popular revolt in the Ukraine.

The regime cannot comply with this without risking encouraging a popular revolt. Which will likely lead to a united effort (US/EU/UN) to support the people of Iran struggle against their oppressive regime.

Things are about to heat up in Iran my friends.

I would love to hear your reactions to my analysis.
14 posted on 02/02/2005 9:40:26 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

We need to prepare a volunteer information campaign to counter propaganda and UN-screaming to come from countries of preference for trade with the current Iranian rulers (for example, at least one large country just across the Caspian from Persia).


15 posted on 02/02/2005 10:16:05 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: DoctorZIn
"Things are about to heat up in Iran my friends."



I agree with you 100%.....BUT FASTER,PLEASE! Iranian freedom fighters are thankful for moral support, but they are also in dire need of financial support. Already one very active anti-mullah Iranian satellite station had to close its door last week for lack of funds, and the others are spending their precious on-air time raising money just to stay on. This is so demoralizing to the people right now. The Iranians have no way of competing with the millions and even billions that the mullahs are spending to fight its enemies. Words are great, but urgent action is needed now to back it up.

On the other hand, it is great news that GE and Haliburton have pulled out of Iran. Also BP, which is a BIG psychological arrow into the heart of the mullahs -- the long, twisted, history of BP and Iran! -- as well as other European companies slowly reading the handwriting on the wall, and pulling out of trade negotiations with the thieves in control of Iran. All of these are concrete GOOD news for a change, but no more dillydallying. Time to turn up the heat, NOW.
16 posted on 02/02/2005 10:19:25 PM PST by parisa
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To: DoctorZIn

i think you are spot on DoctorZIn.
and it will be the domino that may be the end of the despots.


17 posted on 02/02/2005 10:46:34 PM PST by 537cant be wrong (no kittie! thats my pot pie!)
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To: parisa
Which station had to shut down for lack of funds?

I know one I might suspect, but haven't checked their broadcast yet....
18 posted on 02/02/2005 10:56:49 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

I heard some weird crap tonioght while the wife was channel surfing. Some talking head newsy type said Iran youth was becoming more conservative, not more liberal??

Also said Iran has lost an entire generation of young people to drug use??

Can someone enlighten me, for I have not heard this before.


19 posted on 02/02/2005 11:05:47 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: DoctorZIn

Channel Azadi - 'freedom' channel -- was shut down last week. It was truly horrible. People were sending messages from Iran and around the world and begging the station to stay open, but they had no choice. They were out of funds.


20 posted on 02/02/2005 11:09:58 PM PST by parisa
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To: parisa

Azadi!!!!

This is horrible news.

They were one of the best.


21 posted on 02/02/2005 11:13:47 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

I will let Iranian freepers answer this for you...


22 posted on 02/02/2005 11:15:15 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
Iranian freepers

That has such a nice ring to it.

23 posted on 02/02/2005 11:25:35 PM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

It's a complete BS about the country becoming more conservative. The mullahs are utterly loathed by the people. They can't even walk freely in the streets because cars will run them over -- they mostly change into civilian clothes if they want to go out without their bodyguards (what an oxymoron, a mullah with bodyguards!!!)

But about the loss of an entire generation to drugs, sadly it is true. This is the new scheme of the petrified mullahs who have saturated the country with cheap opium and heroin to dull the senses of the youth and quiet them down.


24 posted on 02/02/2005 11:29:12 PM PST by parisa
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To: telebob
"Sez Cheney, "I don't know if we can hold back the Israelis much longer (chuckle, snort)." "

Maybe after Israel nukes the Iranian nuclear sites, the Iranian people will wake up.

24 hours later, a new Iranian revolution.

25 posted on 02/02/2005 11:33:04 PM PST by japaneseghost
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To: DoctorZIn

I agree, they were one of the best.

And the others are trying to raise money to stay open. They need help.


26 posted on 02/02/2005 11:37:17 PM PST by parisa
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To: DoctorZIn
As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

It was a monumental SOTU speech, and Dubya' didn't mix words when it came to Iran.

Excellent!

27 posted on 02/02/2005 11:37:36 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: DoctorZIn
I believe the President is warning the Iranian regime that while he is preparing to take out their nuclear facilities, if absolutely necessary, he is also preparing to significantly ramp up international support for the Iranian people in their struggle to reclaim their country.

You mean your impression is that we NOW finally have a President that totes a mindset that words mean things?

I believe your right in your belief DZ.

28 posted on 02/02/2005 11:44:12 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: DoctorZIn

Bump!


29 posted on 02/03/2005 3:32:43 AM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: DoctorZIn

Reading the tea leaves - Bush's Strategy on Iran

I believe the President has settled on the direction he is going to pursue with Iran. If I am reading the tea leaves correctly, it would appear a pattern has begun to emerge in the recent statements by President Bush, Condolezza Rice and others.

What is the new strategy?

Let's begin with President Bush's State of the Union speech. The President warned the Iranian regime that he is willing to significantly ramp up his support for the Iranian people:

"And to the Iranian people, I say tonight:

As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you."

The President has recently warned Iran to end its nuclear enrichment program and that he has not taken the military option off the table. At the same time, he also made clear his interest in pursuing a "diplomatic solution."

Why A diplomatic solution?

First, military action in Iran would likely be counter productive. Military action would almost certainly have the unintended consequence of killing large numbers of civilians and thus create a "rally around the government" effect. This would provide a tremendous opportunity for the regime to argue that the US government does not really "care about the people" of Iran. Thus alienating the very people we want to support.

Second, it is also unlikely that such military action could permanently stop Iran's nuclear effort. To accomplish this would require an invasion of Iran and therefore a much larger military force than we have available at this time, so we are told.

Third, Europe is unlikely to ever support military action against Iran and the US public would also find it hard to support it unless there was an imminent threat. (Nearly everyone would want irrefutable proof of Iran's nuclear weapons program).

So what options are left?

An effective non military response to the Iranian threat would require the administration find an issue that is universally accepted in order to gain international support. Such international support was essential in the recent popular revolt in the Ukraine.

Such an issue already exists.

I believe the issue the administration intends to focus on is human rights in Iran.

If you follow the news on Iran, the administration has begun focusing on the human rights issue as it relates to Iran. Here are a few examples:

President Bush alluded to it in his inaugural address:
From the day of our Founding, we have proclaimed that every man and woman on this earth has rights, and dignity, and matchless value, because they bear the image of the Maker of Heaven and earth. Across the generations we have proclaimed the imperative of self-government, because no one is fit to be a master, and no one deserves to be a slave. Advancing these ideals is the mission that created our Nation. It is the honorable achievement of our fathers. Now it is the urgent requirement of our nation's security, and the calling of our time. ...
America will not pretend that jailed dissidents prefer their chains, or that women welcome humiliation and servitude, or that any human being aspires to live at the mercy of bullies.

We will encourage reform in other governments by making clear that success in our relations will require the decent treatment of their own people. America's belief in human dignity will guide our policies, yet rights must be more than the grudging concessions of dictators; they are secured by free dissent and the participation of the governed. In the long run, there is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty.

Condoleezza Rice:

Iranians "suffer under a regime that has been completely unwilling to deal with their aspirations and that has an appalling human rights record". BBC
Even Senator Brownback, the new chairman of the Helsinki Commission says he plans to highlight Iranian human rights issues with Europe. The NY Sun reports:
The plan by Senator Brownback, a Republican from Kansas, is in keeping with the president's commitment to spread freedom throughout the world...

Senator Brownback said he planned to publicize the plight of Iranian dissidents in hearings before the Helsinki Commission, the American body created in 1976 to engage the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe on their treatment of political prisoners and human rights. American envoys would often read the names of political prisoners aloud at commission-related meetings, at first to embarrass their Soviet counterparts. Later this technique proved effective, when in the twilight of the Cold War many political prisoners were released.

"We are going to bring up human rights issues and what is taking place in Iran aggressively," he said.
Europe and the UN have a long history of advocating human rights. Europe has tied increased trade with Iran to improvements in their human rights record. European leaders advocacy for Human Rights in Iran bought them popular political support at home at very little cost.

Europeans are proud of their leaders stand for Human Rights. It was no surprise to Europeans that the Iranian human rights lawyer, Shirin Ebadi, won the 2003 Nobel Peace Prize.

If the US makes Human Rights in Iran a centerpiece of its Iran policy, the EU and the UN will have to support it. Russia and China would find it difficult to oppose it.

President Bush's support for "their issue" will likely be perceived by Europeans generally as a European victory. Popular support could force their leaders to join the US effort.

If Iran refuses to permanently end its uranium enrichment program, as they claim, the EU will have to withdraw its offer of increased trade.

Instead, I would then expect an ever increasing demand of the international community to end all trade (the EU's only real weapon) until the regime guarantees the Iranian people's human rights.

Already British firms such as BP have declared that they will not invest further in Iran. US firms have also taken similar positions and I expect we will see an ever growing number of international firms ending their business relations with the Iranian regime.

Why will this help bring down the regime?

First, the people of Iran will at long last receive the international attention and support they have been pleading for. This support will encourage the people to stand against the regime and various elements in government will be forced to decide whether to support the people of Iran or their unpopular leaders.

Thus the regime will face a serious dilemma.

On the one hand, cracking down on dissent will further alienate the regime and likely result in an end to international investments/trade in Iran.

On the other hand, the regime cannot comply with this without risking encouraging a popular revolt.

Iran's presidential elections are scheduled for June. The hardline elements in Iran have been hoping to further consolidate their power and will not likely be interested in being pressured by the international community on human rights.

If the Iranian regime cracks down on popular dissent this time, the international community will be watching as never before. Crack downs will lead to further doubts by the international business community. As more firms pull away from Iran, investment dollars will dry up.

Iran needs the investment dollars to keep the regime in power. Unemployment is already unbearable. Significant increases in unemployment will only fuel more civil unrest.

It would appear the regime will be in a no win situation.

President Bush is about to travel to Europe. If I am right, we will see a mending of relations and a new unity among the US and the EU.

Time appears to be running out for the Mullahs of Iran. It may prove to be a very hot summer in Iran.

30 posted on 02/03/2005 5:57:37 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; McGavin999; Hinoki Cypress; ...

Reading the tea leaves - Bush's Strategy on Iran

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1334820/posts?page=30#30


31 posted on 02/03/2005 5:59:42 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

Great Job !


32 posted on 02/03/2005 6:03:55 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: DoctorZIn
One Mullah One Vote !

Stop subjugating half the population !

Freedom is Gods gift to humanity !

33 posted on 02/03/2005 6:06:30 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: DoctorZIn

Instapundit just linked to this post, on my blog.

http://instapundit.com/archives/020961.php


34 posted on 02/03/2005 6:08:00 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn
Already British firms such as BP have declared that they will not invest further in Iran.

It's not just British oil firms either:
GE to halt new orders for business in Iran - Company follows Halliburton after pressure applied - AP - 2/2/2005

35 posted on 02/03/2005 6:13:59 AM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot

I couldn't believe it when he actually said "And to the Iranian people I say......." I hope they heard.


36 posted on 02/03/2005 6:14:15 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: DoctorZIn
As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

May this President Bush be better at standing by such statements than his father was.

Shalom.

37 posted on 02/03/2005 6:19:27 AM PST by ArGee (Having homosexual sex makes as much sense as drinking beer through your a$$.)
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To: telebob
I thought he called out the mullahs in unequivocal terms. I don't think they will mistake his meaning. He means to see them out of power and for democracy to take root in Iran.

He said something similar to the House of Saud, although in a much more subdued way. Dr. Rice has her work cut out for her.

Shalom.

38 posted on 02/03/2005 6:20:33 AM PST by ArGee (Having homosexual sex makes as much sense as drinking beer through your a$$.)
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To: ArGee

Shalom.


39 posted on 02/03/2005 6:31:42 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: McGavin999

That was a geat moment, because he looked straight into the camera when he said it.


40 posted on 02/03/2005 7:17:50 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: DoctorZIn

Human Rights Issues are Mullahs Achile heal and weakness point


41 posted on 02/03/2005 7:43:47 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn

uh duh! can you IMAGINE what a democrat u.s. president would have said or done?

nothing.

the democrats have stood in solidarity with every terrorist and totalitarian government in the world.


42 posted on 02/03/2005 7:46:29 AM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Yep... Unofrtunately the number of drug addicts is growing in Iran. And this is what Mullahs wanted for the youths there. The regime wants the youth to be busy with drugs so that they can screw up the country more.
You know, a weak society can't rise and ask the leaders to step down or give up.


43 posted on 02/03/2005 7:51:57 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: parisa

The regime will be gone by mid 2006


44 posted on 02/03/2005 8:23:13 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: papertyger

I am an Iranian freeper...


45 posted on 02/03/2005 8:24:30 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: parisa

To be honest, that channel didn't have many viewers in Iran. Because Mr. Soor esrafil didnt know any thing but insulting others even his opponents.


46 posted on 02/03/2005 3:41:05 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: Khashayar

I hate to disagree, but I know many inside Iran who loved him...


47 posted on 02/03/2005 3:51:50 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

I believe some did, every anchor or channel has fans. But if you want to know the youths' idea on him, I can tell you that he is not a very likeable figure in Iran among students or youngsters. He was loved among exiled Iranians in LA or the US. And some old generation guys (over age of 55 liked him a lot).

I believe, the Iranian youths need education on the values of freedom and democracy. The LA based TV stations should be like classes for the people inside of Iran. I have never seen those channels trying to teach some thing good to the Iranian people. All they use is coarse language against any one who is against them.


48 posted on 02/03/2005 4:13:33 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: All

European Union Foreign and Security Policy representative Javier Solana, right, talks with Iran's Vice-President and head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation Gholamreza Aghazadeh in Solana's office at the European Council headquarters in Brussels, Tuesday Feb. 1, 2005. Iran has suspended enrichment activities _ which can produce both nuclear fuel and the core of atomic weapons _ during the talks, but has repeatedly insisted the freeze will be of short duration. (AP Photo/Geert Vanden Wijngaert)

Iran has the military might to deter attacks against it, Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani said, after President George W. Bush said he would not rule out military force against Iran over its nuclear program. 'We are able to say that we have strength such that no country can attack us because they do not have precise information about our military capabilities due to our ability to implement flexible strategies,' the semi-official Mehr news agency quoted Shamkhani as saying on January 18, 2005. Iran's Shahab-3 missile is seen in this September 21 file photo. Photo by Morteza Nikoubazl/Reuters

Workmen wearing protective clothing walk away from the Russian-built Bushehr nuclear power reactor under construction in southwestern Iran during an organized media visit to the plant on March 11, 2003. President Bush said on Monday he would not rule out military action against Iran if that country was not more forthcoming about its suspected nuclear weapons program. Photo by Morteza Nikoubazl/Reuters

The United States has rebuffed pleas to join a European diplomatic drive to persuade Iran to give up any ambitions to add nuclear bombs to its arsenal, U.S. officials and foreign diplomats say. For months, Britain, France and Germany have hoped to improve their bargaining power with the Islamic republic by involving Washington in a proposed accord over an end to its uranium enrichment activities. This September 16, 2002 satellite image shows facilities in Natanz, Iran believed to be part of a previously unknown segment of Iran's nuclear program. Photo by Isis, Digitalglobe/Reuters


49 posted on 02/03/2005 4:44:13 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: M Kehoe
Regime change indeed. I hope the Iranian people heard their first shot of freedom tonight.

Same here.

50 posted on 02/03/2005 4:51:44 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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