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Iranian Alert - February 3, 2005 - President Bush to the Iranian people..."America stands with you"
Regime Change Iran ^ | 2.3.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:20 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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To: parisa
I agree with you 100%.....BUT FASTER,PLEASE! Iranian freedom fighters are thankful for moral support, but they are also in dire need of financial support. Already one very active anti-mullah Iranian satellite station had to close its door last week for lack of funds, and the others are spending their precious on-air time raising money just to stay on. This is so demoralizing to the people right now. The Iranians have no way of competing with the millions and even billions that the mullahs are spending to fight its enemies. Words are great, but urgent action is needed now to back it up.

I would happily donate my money to their cause if I knew where to send it.

51 posted on 02/03/2005 5:17:32 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Khashayar

"The regime will be gone by mid 2006"

Khashayar,

Good to see you again.

I have 2 questions for you. What did you think of the President's remarks? And if you know anyone else there who heard, or has since read them, what do they think about the State of the Union address?


52 posted on 02/03/2005 5:54:13 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: DoctorZIn

Something's in the works.


53 posted on 02/03/2005 5:58:24 PM PST by hershey
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To: Paul_Denton

Hello all,

Let me expand on my thoughts on last night's State of the Union speech on go from there.

First, I was suprised by Bush's mention of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, especially the latter. Democracy is dangerous for the Islamic kingdom, because you may very well have the equivalent of Osama bin Laden as Prime Minister. Soon after that you'll have oil prices in triple digits. The radical Islamicists only have another decade or so to use the "oil weapon" effectively. By 2020, the United States and the rest of the world, will, hopefully, be coverting the economy from oil-based to hydrogen-based. The conversion will take multiple decades. I would personally like to see some sort of democratic Saudi Arabia where the royal family, or some segment of it, retains power. Far from ideal, I know. Despite Saudi support for terrorism, and their atrocious treatment of their own people, today's government is better than what might happen. The fear is that Al-Queda might topple the regime. The question is, what would be left of the world economy at the point?

I wasn't really surprised with what Bush said about Iran. I mean, he had to say that. My very first thought was - that's all??? To be honest, I've been disappointed with the White House on the Iranian issue. Never mind when I hear the administration seeming confident about diplomacy resolving the nulcear issue. I mean, how many times does Iran need to say that they aren't giving up their nukes? And it's bordering on idiocy to think that you can get Iran to give it all up. If we are going diplomatic with Iran, then why not with bin Laden? Or Zarqawi?

I suppose there may be a justified fear that if we push the mullahs too hard too fast, they may do something rash like invade Iraq and slaughter thousands of American troops. I fully expect Iran to go all-out before their end comes. They saw what happened to Saddam. Saddam's only chance was WMD attacks on coalition forces before the war started or in the first few days. But for some reason that is still difficult to understand, he sent all the nasty stuff to Syria.

But one thing that was highly accurate and very good to hear was Bush saying that Iran is the #1 terrorist state. Syria is Iran's subsidary, in effect.

DoctorZin, as far as the hope that Europe would sever in fairly quick order most/all commerical contacts with Iran is very doubtful in my opinion. Consider that Europe gets a lot of oil from Iran. China gets even more. China would never go along with any UN action, and would stop it, thanks to their veto power. Any interruption in the Iranian oil supply would have drastic effects on their economy. We could single-handedly destroy China's economy, but I'll save that for another time. Hint: think Cuba.

The most effective thing we can do is to place an oil embargo around Iran. John Loftus says the regime would collapse within 3 weeks. 3 weeks or not, the regime can't stay afloat for long without their oil revenues. I'm hoping that's one of the main purposes of Rice's and Bush's trips to Europe. The embargo can't work without Europe (the UN will never approve it), and if Europe says no, then it's probably mid-2005 by then. Israel will be living in terror. It's widely believed that by the end of 2005, Iran will be very close to a nuclear weapon, if they've don't have one by then.

The White House gives the impression that they don't think that this is a critical, time-sensitive issue. We can't keep waiting. This isn't Ukraine. And American troops can't leave Iraq until Iran and Syria are neutralized.

Regime change in 16 months or so is terrifying. We can't wait that long.

The very best option is the oil embargo. The only problem is that Euros probably won't sign on to the plan. And call me cynical if you wish, but I bet most, if not all, of the companies that were doing business with Iran and are now, or will, pull out of Iran, aren't doing so because they feel guilty about the human rights abuses going in in that country. They are doing it, I think, to perserve future profitable opportunities. It's doesn't look good to be doing business with Iran. It may very well be an afteraffect of the Oil-for-Food scandal, even though this situation is completely different.

We can wait for democracy, like Ukraine. But when we are dealing with hostile regimes, waiting too long can be very costly. Take Hitler's Germany, for instance. The horrors of World War II did NOT have to happen.

Nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists is unacceptable.

Whatever it takes.


54 posted on 02/03/2005 6:16:00 PM PST by JWojack (Rice for President in 2008!)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

Nice to hear from you!

I think the speech was strongly made and done.

The people gets the speech through internet and foreign based media in Persian language. But I expected Bush to talk more than one line on Iran. However, it was great to hear that US stands by Iranian people in their quest for their freedom. And it was nice to see that he knows the differences between Iran & Syria. The way he talked to us was much better and warmer than Arab nations and states. I appreciate it.
Many Iranians are encouraged by that speech, I believe.


55 posted on 02/03/2005 6:35:13 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: JWojack

First Diplomacy, then WAR!

Remember that it took 9 months to get ready before going to war with Saddam. Give it a time, plz.


56 posted on 02/03/2005 6:36:24 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: Khashayar
I have met many Iranian people here in the U.S. They are kind and very intelligent. They deserve freedom as much as anyone else. Democracy is marching on-today Iraq, tomorrow Iran!!!
57 posted on 02/03/2005 6:45:14 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

Thanks for your compliments!

Iranians had a great level of freedom before 1979 and it is okay, we will gain it again because PERSIANS deserve freedom and we have been a free nation for centuries.


58 posted on 02/03/2005 6:47:06 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

Forgot to say that HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES are Achilles Heel of the Regime in Tehran. That is the best point to attack at and weaken the Mullahs more and more day by day!


59 posted on 02/03/2005 6:48:07 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: Khashayar

By the way, is the language Persian or is it Farsi? I have always been told it is Farsi.


60 posted on 02/03/2005 6:49:07 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl; nuconvert; freedom44; parisa; Reza2004

It is Persian...
Let me enlighten you! ;-)

What do you call Germany's language? Do you call it German language or Deustch? And what do you call Spain's language? Espanol or Spanish?

It is the same about Persians and their language. I hope I could help!


61 posted on 02/03/2005 6:53:52 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

I agree.


62 posted on 02/03/2005 6:58:32 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Shoot first and ask questions later)
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To: Khashayar

Hello,

But I guess that's the point. In all cases, war is horrible. In a war with Iran, nobody would win in the long run, I believe. Iran might be stopped from nuclear weapons, but at enormous cost. The Iranian regime would be replaced with mobs, including mobs and gangs of terrorists. Iraq would be a picnic compared to Iran.

I don't mean to tell you how things are in your country, not by any means. But I am confident that war would be a disaster. Now, I'm all for war when all other options are exhausted. I want a free and democratic Iran, next to a free and democratic Iraq and Afghanistan :-) But nuclear weapons are more important. If Iran becomes nuclear-armed, it doesn't stop there. Even now, Egypt is currently in the early stages of nuclear weapons development. My great fear is the spread of nuclear arms to terrorists. They could destroy a country in a single shot. Even ignoring Iran, I have a 5% confidence that I won't see a nuclear terror attack in my lifetime. I think it may be inevitable. I hope I'm wrong, though. After all, they used to say that the Soviet Union would never fall. But some harsh words and some muscle tok care of that.

I believe like the president does that the spread of freedom, liberty and democracy is the key to world peace. I am a true believer. Last Sunday proved it for me once and for all. It iced it. It gave me proof that I could see with my own eyes fairly instanteously.

But the problem is time. If I knew Iran wouldn't have a nuclear weapon until December 2006, then I'd be content to wait. Israel believes that Iran will have a Bomb by the summer of 2005. Waiting is incredibly risky. And the stakes couldn't be higher.

Believe me, I wish we could wait. But this is quite literally a ticking time bomb.

I wish you the best!


63 posted on 02/03/2005 7:10:33 PM PST by JWojack (Rice for President in 2008!)
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More bad news, it would appear...

Iran Tests Nuclear Trigger Mechanism - Opposition

Thu Feb 3, 2005 11:27 AM ET

By Kerstin Gehmlich

PARIS (Reuters) - Iran has conducted successful experiments on a crucial triggering mechanism for a nuclear weapon, an exiled opposition group said on Thursday.

President Bush on Wednesday renewed his accusation that Iran was seeking to develop atomic weapons and called it the "world's primary state sponsor of terror."

Tehran dismisses the accusations and says its atomic ambitions are limited to the peaceful generation of electricity.

The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), which wants to oust Iran's clerical rulers and has given accurate information on its nuclear sites in the past, said Iran was close to producing the 'neutron initiators' that spark the chain reaction in a bomb.

"Tehran has already succeeded in using beryllium in conjunction with polonium-210 for large scale laboratory testing purposes, and it is getting very close to the point of industrial production," Mohammad Mohaddessin of the NCRI told a news conference in Paris.

Diplomats have already said there is evidence that Iran has bought small quantities of beryllium and tried to buy much more, and that the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) is examining this as part of a two-year investigation of Tehran's nuclear program.

Beryllium also has many innocent uses, but Mohaddessin said Iran had not only secured significant quantities but also tried to conceal its purchases from the IAEA.

"Tehran currently has enough beryllium to produce initiators for a dozen nuclear bombs," he said.

He said the laboratory tests had been conducted at the Lavizan II site close to Tehran by experts from the Malek-Ashtar Industrial university, which is run by the Defense Ministry.

Germany, France and Britain, acting for the European Union, have been urging Iran to permanently scrap the uranium enrichment that could give it the potential to make nuclear explosives in return for political and economic incentives.

Washington takes a harder line and wants Iran to be reported to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions.

The NCRI is a coalition of exiled opposition groups. The State Department lists it and its armed wing, the People's Mujahideen, as terrorist organizations.

64 posted on 02/03/2005 7:16:55 PM PST by JWojack (Rice for President in 2008!)
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To: JWojack
The National Council of Resistance of Iran consists of former Terrorists. I never believe them.
65 posted on 02/03/2005 7:26:38 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn; nuconvert; freedom44; F14 Pilot; Khashayar; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Grampa Dave

One of these days Khatami will forget to don his surge-protector underwear.

66 posted on 02/03/2005 7:27:40 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: DoctorZIn

Great thread today - as always.

Thanks


67 posted on 02/03/2005 7:32:24 PM PST by freedom44
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To: JWojack

Thanks for your comments!


68 posted on 02/03/2005 7:34:27 PM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: JWojack

Secretary of State Rice's words on Iran were great! That certainly is the strongest I have ever heard anyone in authority talk about Iran. If we can just keep that sort of talk up, we might get some results. And maybe, just maybe, if we can get the Europeans on board, the regime will collapse.

But consider the current war in Iraq. Europe, for the most part, wouldn't support the war, despite Saddam Hussein's absolutely horrible human rights record. He is comparable to Hitler and Stalin.

I think they opposed the war for any number of reasons:

1) Iraq was a financial opportunity. An invasion would hurt their bank accounts.

2) Some countries think that it is their duty to oppose the US.

3) Some people are just indifferent to evil.

4) Some countries are spineless.

Anyway, my point is that getting Europe would fantastic, but I wouldn't count on it. But I still hope for it.


69 posted on 02/03/2005 7:37:31 PM PST by JWojack (Rice for President in 2008!)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

http://www.easypersian.com/

Persian or Farsi?

In short, Persian language is the official language in Iran. The Iranians call this language 'Farsi'. There is one more thing to add to this short explanation and that is about 'Persian' and 'Iranian'. Remember that all Persians are Iranian, but not all Iranians are Persian!
I hope this definition is clear enough and is a good answer to 'Persian or Farsi?' discussions.


70 posted on 02/03/2005 7:38:35 PM PST by freedom44
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To: F14 Pilot
The National Council of Resistance of Iran consists of former Terrorists. I never believe them.
Yes, I know that the NCRI is considered by the U.S. State Department to be a terrorist organization. But they seem to have given substantiated information in the past.

Just thought I would pass it on...

71 posted on 02/03/2005 7:43:19 PM PST by JWojack (Rice for President in 2008!)
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To: freedom44

Actually, it is more correct to call it Parsi.
It was Arabs who named it Farsi.


72 posted on 02/03/2005 7:56:12 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: PhilDragoo

LoL


73 posted on 02/03/2005 7:58:17 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Yeah...


74 posted on 02/03/2005 8:20:47 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: nuconvert

http://www.easypersian.com/


75 posted on 02/03/2005 8:49:47 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Thanks. I've explained the inability of Arabs to pronounce "P" sound before.


76 posted on 02/03/2005 8:55:36 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Iran legalizing Abortions

Thursday, February 03, 2005
soundingthetrumpet.blogspot.com

According to LifeSiteNews.com...
"Iran’s parliament approved a draft bill in July, allowing abortion in the first four months of pregnancy if the mother's life is in danger or if the baby is malformed. The measure still needs final approval."
The very short article, and the only one I could find on this subject also has a very interesting quote from Mehrangiz Morovati, one of the members of parliament.
“The draft of abortion therapy was passed with the official permission from Supreme Leader of Islamic Republic and other religious authorities, so in this respect, it doesn't contradict Quranic spiritual values.”
Very interesting that she called it a "therapy", I wonder if the translator just had bad English, or if she said it in bad english, or if she really did not know what abortion was? It certainly is not "therapy"! Another thing I thought was a bit interesting was that it does not contradict Quranic spiritual values, just because the "Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic and other religious authorities" give "official permission"?? I didn't know before that the "Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic" had the right to decide what was, and what was not a "Quranic spiritual value?

http://soundingthetrumpet.blogspot.com/2005/02/iran-legalizing-abortions.html


77 posted on 02/03/2005 9:11:18 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn

Iranians are alive again by the hope of the coming freedom and democracy. Iran could use a leader with vision, like president Bush. A rare and genuine gem in contrast to, and what the speech would have been like if it was by Kerry.


78 posted on 02/03/2005 9:29:10 PM PST by Reza2004
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To: Reza2004

Now that's a scary thought.

How about,...."Today, Iran still needs to cooperate a little more. We still have some reason to doubt that they are being honest with us about their pursuing nuclear weapons. Not that we don't trust you, because we don't want to give you that impression.

We are working with European allies to try to negotiate a deal with Iranian regime in hopes that it will decrease some of its uranium enrichment program and plutonium re-processing. We're hoping to negotiate a deal to supply them some ourselves, thus making their need to do it unnecessary. This will also help bring us closer together so we can talk as equals in the spirit of diplomacy and friendship.

And to the Iranian people, I say tonight:

End your protests and desires for liberty. It's straining diplomatic relations between America and the regime.

And Khamenei, let me know when that luncheon is next week."


79 posted on 02/04/2005 5:39:24 AM PST by Brooklyn Kid
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To: DoctorZIn
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80 posted on 02/04/2005 7:18:10 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: PhilDragoo
President Bush to the Iranian people..."America stands with you"


81 posted on 02/04/2005 7:52:04 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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