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Putin admits Russia's anti-Semitism
Sapa-AFP, Daily Dispatch, SA ^ | 30JAN05 | Sapa-AFP

Posted on 02/03/2005 12:46:37 AM PST by familyop

MOSCOW - A visit to Auschwitz has prompted President Vladimir Putin to do something he had never done over five years in power, admit that anti-Semitism rages on in Russia and must be stamped out, amid a rare public debate on the once taboo subject.

Jews were mistreated throughout much of the Soviet era, with dissidents sent by Stalin to gulags and Jewish students barred from entry to the more prestigious universities.

Nationalist rhetoric largely graduated from that era to post-Soviet Russia amid concern and blame- seeking over the demise of its superpower status.

A poll this week by the Levada Foundation found that 59 percent agreed with the sentiment "Russia for Russians".

A March 2004 study by the Expertiza foundation found 45 percent thought Russia was anti-Semitic while 42 percent said Jews ought to be barred from power.

But Putin, who rose to the presidency on a strongly nationalist ticket, and his entourage avoided the subject even as Washington expressed growing alarm over a recent rise of hate crimes against Jews.

Two events appeared to change that this month: The first was a letter signed by 20 parliamentarians demanding that Jewish groups be banned across Russia for their "radical" views. The second was Putin's trip to the Auschwitz memorial on Thursday.

"Just a short time ago, the German chancellor said he was embarrassed for the past. But this is the past," Putin said at the poignant 60th anniversary ceremony marking the notorious Nazi concentration camp's liberation by Soviet troops.

"But we have to be embarrassed of today, because even in Russia, which has done the most to defeat fascism, to liberate Jews, we see frequent signs of this disease," he said in the first direct reference to anti- Semitism from the Kremlin this decade.

"We must proclaim in one voice: no one has a right to be indifferent to anti-Semitism, xenophobia and racial intolerance."

Moscow newspapers, some of them state-run, fawned over what they saw as a courageous and even historic pronouncement.

"Putin is embarrassed by anti- Semitism," the Izvestia daily wrote.

"The concentration camp no longer exists but Nazism lives on" in Russia, the government's Rossiyskaya Gazeta wrote in giving a synopsis of Putin's speech. - Sapa-AFP


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; europe; israel; jewish; jews; old; on; putin; russia; russianjews; terror; terrorism; war
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1 posted on 02/03/2005 12:46:37 AM PST by familyop
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To: Tailgunner Joe; TapTheSource
"A March 2004 study by the Expertiza foundation found 45 percent thought Russia was anti-Semitic while 42 percent said Jews ought to be barred from power."

This is news from three days ago, but it's probably news to most of us. Considering history, things don't look good at all over there.
2 posted on 02/03/2005 12:49:59 AM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: familyop; jb6; Destro

ping


3 posted on 02/03/2005 12:59:29 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: familyop

Well, admitting they have a problem is a good step. However, as long as they are able to find "friends" in China, Europe and ME countries, they'll assume their hatred for Jews is justified.


4 posted on 02/03/2005 4:15:40 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: familyop
Actually, Jews are moving back to Russia in record numbers and there are plenty of Jewish schools and synogages all over Moscow and other cities. The actions of 19 Duma members, out of 450 (4%) are greatly blown out of proportions, as usual. Nor the fact that they withdrew their "bill" after massive pressure from the rest of the Duma. If you think at least 4% of our Congress is not anti-Jewish/Christian you are fooling yourself.

When David Duke got elected, did that mean America was anti-Semetic?

5 posted on 02/03/2005 7:25:37 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: anniegetyourgun; dennisw; MarMema; kosta50; GarySpFc; Lion in Winter; A. Pole; Destro; eluminate; ..
However, as long as they are able to find "friends" in China, Europe and ME countries, they'll assume their hatred for Jews is justified.

Lets not forget that 1. China is our Most Favor Trading Nation, 2. We are allied to the fount of Islamic radicalism Saudi Arabia and the creators of the Taliban: Pakistan and we still support the KLA and send money to the PLO while arming the Egyptians and the primary owner of Al Jazeer, the Sultan of Qatar is our ally.

Furthermore, we are also allied to most of Old Europe and Bush is heading over to "mend" fenses with the French and Germans.

Does that make us anti-Jewish?

6 posted on 02/03/2005 7:28:49 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: familyop

Reinstate the law they had in 1919, make anti semitism a felony, punishable by hanging. That ought to do the trick.


7 posted on 02/03/2005 7:32:03 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: jb6

No, just pragmatic on diplomatic methods, discomforting as those alliances may be. However, my commentary is really about Russia NOT being discomforted with the anti-semetism that abounds in her allies. She will find solace in their shared hatred for the Jew.


8 posted on 02/03/2005 7:34:49 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: jb6
Actually, Jews are moving back to Russia in record numbers and there are plenty of Jewish schools and synogages all over Moscow and other cities.

Putin has done more to promote Jews and Judaism than any other Russian leader in history.

9 posted on 02/03/2005 7:34:54 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Alouette; anniegetyourgun
Now tell that to people like anniegetyourgun.

She will find solace in their shared hatred for the Jew.

Besides the fact that the PM is half jewish (second one who is) hell, we've yet to get anything even close in the White House. The head of the anti-semites is also half Jewish. Go figure. Most Jews in Russia are mixed blood and so many "Russians" are part Jewish. Most of the Pogroms also happened in western Ukraine, Yushchenko's stomping grounds, which is why most of the Jews of Ukraine live in eastern Ukraine.

10 posted on 02/03/2005 8:31:05 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: cynicom

Problem is, that law only held to racism, the very makers of that law, (mostly Jewish bolshaviks of that era) murdered religious Jews almost with as much glee as they murdered Christians.


11 posted on 02/03/2005 8:32:03 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Alouette; jb6
"....prompted President Vladimir Putin to do something he had never done over five years in power, admit that anti-Semitism rages on in Russia...

My comments weren't about Putin per se. However, if anti-semetism doesn't exist in Russia, then what would be his motivation to lie about it?

12 posted on 02/03/2005 8:37:01 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: jb6

http://www.fjc.ru/news/newsArticle.asp?AID=258172

Jewish Community Mourns Sudden Loss of Georgian Prime Minister

Thursday, February 03, 2005

The late Prime Minister Zurab Zhvania lighting the Menorah in his office, together with Rabbi Avraham Michaelashvili earlier this year.


TBILISI, Georgia – Georgian Prime Minister Zurab Zhvania, who was fundamental in the change of governmental regime in this South Caucasus country several years ago, died today in Tbilisi by an apparent gas leak in the apartment he slept. Zhvania was one of the key leaders in the economic reform effort that has been underway in the country since that time, not to mention his role in strengthening civil society and religious freedom.

"The Jewish community mourns the sudden loss of Zurab Zhvania. As a Jew, he had a close relationship to the Jewish community in Georgia," expressed the Chief Rabbi of Georgia, Avraham Mikhailashvili. "He was a great friend and a genuine national leader, whose reforms led to the strengthening of the Jewish community and other religions in this country," asserted the Chief Rabbi.

Today Rabbi Mikhailashvili met with Zhvania's mother, who is Jewish, to extend his condolences and to offer her comfort in her time of grief. He has also been in touch with the authorities with respect to the preparations for his funeral.

The Prime Minister had provided assistance to the Jewish community with respect to the centennial anniversary of the Great Synagogue of Tbilisi, following in the path of supporting the community set by grandfather, Mikhael Goldbaum, who had served as a warden in the Synagogue.

"The Jewish community would like to express our sympathy to the people of Georgia and to the family and loved-ones of Zurob Zhvania, who was a true leader and unique individual. He will be sadly missed," stated Avraham Berkowitz, the Executive Director of the Federation of Jewish Communities of the CIS.

Born in Tbilisi in 1963, Zhvania began serving in parliament in 1992. He became parliamentary speaker in 1995 and led the moderate United Democrats opposition party. As a national leader, Zhvania followed a relatively conciliatory path, taking a moderate approach of consensus. He then helped lead the revolution that toppled the regime of Eduard Shevardnadze.

Zurab Zhvania is survived by his wife and three children.


13 posted on 02/03/2005 8:37:29 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: anniegetyourgun

It does exist, it exists here in America too. It is being blown way out of proportion by a leftist or globalist MSM as an attack on Russia which has moved heavily towards capitalism and now even leads in many portions of government, such as taxation and hands off government in many industries (granted video media and oil are not two of those).


14 posted on 02/03/2005 8:38:56 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
15 posted on 02/03/2005 8:39:40 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: jb6

Jewish life in Russia has improved dramatically over the past ten years, while anti-Semitism is on the rise in formerly "safe" countries like France, Canada and the UK.


16 posted on 02/03/2005 8:39:47 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: anniegetyourgun
if anti-semetism doesn't exist in Russia, then what would be his motivation to lie about it?

No one has said that anti-Semitism does not exist in Russia. It has existed for a thousand years. What is significant is that Putin has acknowledged that it is a problem and that he is determined to make things safer for Russian Jews.

17 posted on 02/03/2005 8:41:56 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: cynicom
make anti semitism a felony, punishable by hanging. That ought to do the trick.

If every person who has been accused of anti-semitism were hanged there wouldn't be enough trees to handle them all. Here on FreeRepublic alone we'd be diminished by hundreds.

18 posted on 02/03/2005 8:47:39 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Alouette

You'll have to excuse me....I don't trust him.


19 posted on 02/03/2005 8:49:28 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: ladyjane

lady...That law was passed by a minority in Russia.


20 posted on 02/03/2005 8:57:14 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: Alouette
anti-Semitism is on the rise in formerly "safe" countries like France, Canada and the UK.

Not to mention the DNC, assuming Howard Dean is chosen as chair.

21 posted on 02/03/2005 9:04:41 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: familyop; Berosus; Alex Marko; Alouette; anotherview; JohnHuang2; kattracks; M. Espinola; ...

I think the best course of action is for the USSR -- oops, I mean Russia -- to sell new weapons to Syria.


22 posted on 02/03/2005 9:19:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: jb6

It seems Jewish power versus Jewish persecution have run cycles in Russia since Tsarist times.

Did not the persecution against Jews really take off in modern times when Uncle Joe identified them as Trotsky supporters after he grabbed power following Lenin's death. Prior to that weren't Jews somewhat prominant amongst the Mensheviks and then Bolshies?

And at least in the western part of post WWII European Iron Curtain area did not surviving Jews regain power in those communist regimes like Hungary for example where they got some getback till the next purge.

Nearly all of the Russsian oligarchs are Jewish (identity-wise) and from what I am told by Russians I know (some of whom are Jewish too), there is considerable resentment there over the oligarchs and a desire for some house cleaning by Putin.

The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.

Did Stalin loathe most Jews because he was Georgian and rather Cossack-like or because he feared them and their soon dead leader Trotsky? (or both)

Was Beria Jewish at all? I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.

Interesting stuff. The other poster who said that anti-Jewish sentiment is high in France is right and a lot of it is coming from the Moon Rock Nazis power.


23 posted on 02/03/2005 9:35:02 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: cynicom

Yea....let's start hanging folks for what they think....right or wrong.

My hometown is overrun by black crime. Can we start hanging them too?

LOL...if you are Jewish, I'm surprised you would say that. I mean...that sounds sort of extreme. 1919? that would have been a Bolshie invention.

I get mad at all the protected ethnicities, religions , and races at some time or another....and I get mad at my own unprotected "identity" as well.

But you'd only have to hang me once for having bad thoughts...lol


24 posted on 02/03/2005 9:39:21 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: wardaddy

War...check to see who passed that law.


25 posted on 02/03/2005 9:44:16 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: cynicom

I fear you've lost me. I misunderstood what you wrote.

Russia

1919 law

anti-anti-semitism

punishable by being hanged

sorry, it must have gone right over my pumphead...

;>)


26 posted on 02/03/2005 10:04:10 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: cynicom
Thjey can always get arount it by persecuting the practice of Jusaism and baring any cultural institutions as Zionist.
Communism is anti-Semitic. Go read Marx's "On the Jewish Question" and get back to me.
27 posted on 02/03/2005 10:25:18 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: wardaddy
Did not the persecution against Jews really take off in modern times when Uncle Joe identified them as Trotsky supporters after he grabbed power following Lenin's death. Prior to that weren't Jews somewhat prominant amongst the Mensheviks and then Bolshie
In part. Stalin also tied to send all Jews to Siberia, but died before the "Doctor's Plot" could lead to mass murder.

And at least in the western part of post WWII European Iron Curtain area did not surviving Jews regain power in those communist regimes like Hungary for example where they got some getback till the next purge.
While many Communists were of Jewish descent, they did not act in the interest of JEws. Communism has been anti-Jewish since Marx called for society to be freed from Judaism.

Nearly all of the Russsian oligarchs are Jewish (identity-wise) and from what I am told by Russians I know (some of whom are Jewish too), there is considerable resentment there over the oligarchs and a desire for some house cleaning by Putin.
About 1/3 are Jewish.

The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.
Khazaria included much of the Eastern Ukraine, Southern Russia, and parts of Kazakhstan. However, the ethnicities in the area have nothing to do with an empire destroyed 1000 years ago. The only group claiming to be descendants of Khazars are the Karaylar (Turkic Karaite Jews) and Krimchaks (Turkic Orthodox Jews in the Crimea). There are a few thousand Karaylar/Karaim and almost no Krimchaks. Those that survived the Nazis were largely killed when they were rounded up by Stalin and sent off to Siberia with other Crimean Tatars.
There are a few Russian Jews with names like Kaganovich that are clearely of Khazar descent.
At any rate, one could argue that the Russians have organized themselves in opposition to Jews since Sviatoslav. Pick up the Chronicle of the Rus.
Was Beria Jewish at all? I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.
Levanti Beria was part Jewish. Ivan Ulionov was 1/8th Jewish and 1/4th Tatar. He was also a member of the lower nobility.

28 posted on 02/03/2005 10:38:16 AM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: jb6; anniegetyourgun; dennisw; MarMema; kosta50; GarySpFc; Lion in Winter; A. Pole; Destro; ...

I thought Israel and China were good trading partners. Israel sold China military technologies we didn't want the Chinese to have. Does that make Israel anti-american?


29 posted on 02/03/2005 1:29:19 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: rmlew
I said Jewish (identity-wise)...not that they were religious.....about the Oligarchs....that they are not loved in Russia is well known.

The section dealing with Russia is a case in point. Chua relies a great deal on secondary sources--with no major references to Russian material--to make the case that Jews form a "market-dominated minority" in Russia and takes as her starting point the "Jewishness" of six of the seven "oligarchs." But there are several problems with this approach. Two of the six "Jewish oligarchs" are baptized Orthodox Christians; most of the others consider themselves to be Russian by language and culture, and only one has explicitly supported Russian Jewish communal life. There is no cohesive and separate "Jewish" community to which the oligarchs belong. One might also question the focus on the "seven oligarchs" given that a number of key economic-political players (among them Moscow's mayor Yuri Luzhkov and LUKoil's president Vagit Alekperov) are not listed; nor is there much discussion about the rising business class. But most importantly, in a country where Russian identity is itself in flux, juxtaposing "Jews" and "Russians" in the same way that one might juxtapose Syrians and Lebanese businessmen against native Africans is a problematic approach indeed.

While many Communists were of Jewish descent, they did not act in the interest of JEws.

Indeed, like their non-Jewish comrades they were acting in the name of "Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself, I'm A Man of Wealth and Fame....Have You Guessed My Name" under the guise of messianic humanism...the new man....devoid of religion or worldy flaws existing for the collective good of the state.

I watched that documentary on the Weather Underground a few weeks ago and the common thread admitted by the two or three that had any contrition at all, was that folks who feel they have the moral high ground often become drunk with it and it leads to excess and absolute justification whether Stalin or Mao or Pol Pot or Hitler....or even Marat or Robespierre. Only Mark Rudd (whom I recall well from the Columbia takeover)and Todd Gitlin were actually remorseful...the rest were still defiant and cheeky about it....especially that shrew from Hell....Bernadine Dorhn. They were all except Flanagan working in academia...tenured.

30 posted on 02/03/2005 1:53:45 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: rmlew
I know Lenin was 1/4 I think.

He was also 1/4 German, 1/4 Kalmyk (Mongolian) and 1/4 Chuvash (Turkic) if my memory serves me well.

31 posted on 02/03/2005 2:10:09 PM PST by A. Pole (Alexander Solzhenitsyn: "Live Not By Lies")
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To: wardaddy
Did not the persecution against Jews really take off in modern times when Uncle Joe identified them as Trotsky supporters after he grabbed power following Lenin's death. Prior to that weren't Jews somewhat prominant amongst the Mensheviks and then Bolshies?

True, many minorities were in charge of the communist party at different times. At first it was primarly Jews, Latvians and Poles with a sprinkling of others, to include Russians. After Lenin's death and the succession fight, it became Georgians and Ukrainians with a sprinkling of Ossessions. The others were of course purged. Then after Stalin, it became Ukrainians and Ossessions with the Russians slowly gaining in influence. This culminated in Gorbachov who dismantled the system, granted with a major push by Yeltsin and the first Ukrainian president (his name escapes me) off the cliff.

32 posted on 02/03/2005 7:40:34 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: rmlew
In part. Stalin also tied to send all Jews to Siberia, but died before the "Doctor's Plot" could lead to mass murder.

Not quite true. First, the religious Jews were butchered, along with the Christians by the "jews" of the party, who were jews by nationality but the typical leftist scum like all the others.

Stalin later supported Israel and was the first to recognize it. It was established as a socialist state that opposed the British and the French, and thus was a natural ally to Stalin. When the rich Jews in the US influenced the US government to swing Israel's support towards America and away from Stalin, Stalin created a "jewish" homeland in south central Siberia, on the Chinese border. This was not mass murder or exile, many Jews who were Communists went there willingly and others were persuaded, both negatively and positively. Of course, somewhere down the line, Stalin changed his mind and under cut the supplies for building the settlements (what's new?).

The Doctor's Plot was actually an excuse to purge out Krushchov, Molotov, Baria and the others, which is why they poisoned Stalin on the eve of the purges.

33 posted on 02/03/2005 7:44:56 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: rmlew; wardaddy
The Ukraine is the lands of the former Khazaria is it not? Small wonder it's the ground zero of Jewish issues in that part of the world. Someone here the other day said western Ukraine was ethnic Polish and that eastern was Russian.

Kiev was one of the western most areas of the Khazars. Their actual empire was centered around Stavrapol Oblast and stretched into northern Caucusis and I believe to Volgagrad.

34 posted on 02/03/2005 8:08:32 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
I confess to having read the 13th Tribe many years ago. There are Khazarian descended Jews who are quite proud of it (they have web sites) and Israel has spent a good deal of public money on the research. It is a given that the mass nobility and what would have passed for bourgeoisie converted to Judaism but the debate is over how many of the lower sectors of the vast Khazarian empire did.

A fascinating study for me.

And yes....I know Koestler was a bit odd. My hunch is that the Khazars bumped the Ashkhenazim populace markedly...but that is only a hunch.
35 posted on 02/03/2005 9:17:55 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: jb6

Stalin sought to send all Soviet Jews to Birobaidzhan.


36 posted on 02/03/2005 10:39:36 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: familyop; SJackson; Alouette; Salem

BTTT


37 posted on 02/03/2005 10:44:19 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: jb6
Kiev was one of the western most areas of the Khazars. Their actual empire was centered around Stavrapol Oblast and stretched into northern Caucusis and I believe to Volgagrad.
Sambata-Ki'yev was the western most trading center.
Map of 
Khazaria

Map of the Khazar Empire in the early 10th century.

For a more complete set of maps, go to maps section.

38 posted on 02/03/2005 11:18:34 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: jb6
Kiev was one of the western most areas of the Khazars. Their actual empire was centered around Stavrapol Oblast and stretched into northern Caucusis and I believe to Volgagrad.
Sambata-Ki'yev was the western most trading center.
Map of 
Khazaria

Map of the Khazar Empire in the early 10th century.

For a more complete set of maps, go to maps section.

39 posted on 02/03/2005 11:22:59 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: wardaddy
Actually, from what I've read, the Pushtins of Afghanistan/Pakistan fit closest to the lost tribes. They do so both in naming conventions, in culture (except that they are islamics now) and in folklore. They say they were placed there by the Assyrians as a punishment. Also, there is a jewish black tribe (proven genetically by the priest gene) stretching from eastern S.Africa through Mozambique.

The Khazars converted and are an asiatic people. I've seen some before and they look nothing like semites but a lot like eastern asiatics.

Before the Khazar Khaganite:

Rise of the Khazars. Note they conquered Kiev which from around 700s was a slavic city.

Height of the Khazar (note the location of te Bulgars!)

Decline of the Khazars (Note the Magyarian migration into modern day Magyaria/Magyarorszag/Hungary)

Unfortunetly for the Kieven Russ, the conquest of their enemy/competition, the Khazars, unleashed the Pechenegs who were in turn keeping the Mongols in check.

40 posted on 02/03/2005 11:56:57 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: rmlew

By the 10th centuary, the Khazars were a spent and defeated force, having been mostly absorbed by the Orthodox Kieven Russ.


41 posted on 02/03/2005 11:58:38 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6

I did not mean they were the Northern Kingdom (or lost tribe) ...just talking about their conversion to Judaism and the degree to which is speculated.

Koestler called them the 13th tribe

regards

I think the northern kingdom dispersed...and God knows where literally I suppose. Nearly everyone speculating now has a dog in the hunt ...as usual...lol...don't we all?


42 posted on 02/04/2005 7:04:22 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: jb6
"Actually, from what I've read, the Pushtins of Afghanistan/Pakistan fit closest to the lost tribes. They do so both in naming conventions, in culture (except that they are islamics now) and in folklore. They say they were placed there by the Assyrians as a punishment. Also, there is a jewish black tribe (proven genetically by the priest gene) stretching from eastern S.Africa through Mozambique."

You really need to broaden your reading material, because you have one huge problem with "Afghanistan/Pakistan" being the lost tribes. Now I will give you a hint Christ told his disciples to go to the "lost tribes" (so Christ knew who they were), and where exactly did those disciples go and where did the WORD end up being sent forth?

Try reading exactly what was promised to Abraham the whole HISTORY, not the allegory as some like to shelve it.
43 posted on 02/04/2005 7:18:46 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

I wonder... If Dean becomes the Democratic party chairman, will THAT finally push Jewish Democrats into voting for something other than a Democrat?


44 posted on 02/04/2005 11:39:48 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: jb6; Tailgunner Joe; GOP_1900AD; Uncle George; mudblood; AnimalLover; hedgetrimmer; John Lenin; ...

BTW jb6, Stalin supported the creation of Israel to push the British out and then he expected it to become Communist. The British were in fact pushed out, but M. Begin's Irgun completely frustrated his plan to make Israel a Soviet puppet.

I can't resist...Look how tenderly jb6 speaks when he is fawning all over Stalin! He sure treats Stalin a whole lot better than he treats me (Thanks Tailgunner Joe...you've definately lived up to your screen name by drudging these priceless gems up!!!)

"Stalin later supported Israel and was the first to recognize it. It was established as a socialist state that opposed the British and the French, and thus was a natural ally to Stalin. When the rich Jews in the US influenced the US government to swing Israel's support towards America and away from Stalin, Stalin created a "jewish" homeland in south central Siberia, on the Chinese border. This was not mass murder or exile, many Jews who were Communists went there willingly and others were persuaded, both negatively and positively."

Link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1334883/posts?page=33#33


45 posted on 06/26/2005 10:51:14 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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Re jb6, please see the following link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1431149/posts?page=61#61


46 posted on 06/26/2005 10:56:32 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

Right, Stalin loved jews, just like jb6 does.


47 posted on 06/26/2005 10:57:13 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: wardaddy
. Only Mark Rudd (whom I recall well from the Columbia takeover)and Todd Gitlin were actually remorseful...the rest were still defiant and cheeky about it....especially that shrew from Hell....Bernadine Dorhn. They were all except Flanagan working in academia...tenured.
Did you attend the Students' Democratic Repuplic of Morningside Hieghts?
48 posted on 06/26/2005 11:13:38 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: Alouette
If you trust Putin you'll get Dead.

"Kremlin Terrorists"
by J. R. Nyquist


It comes again. Another Russia-U.S. summit, another swindle by way of Kremlin “democracy”; led by KGB-democrat Vladimir Putin; financed by a capitalism based on KGB ownership of the means of production; celebrating freedom after the last independent television station has been shut down; demilitarized with its armored hordes momentarily parked behind the Urals, with hundreds of strategic missiles held past the agreed timetable of decommission; and there is more.

Russia will be keeping us warm this winter, selling us the natural gas we need to keep our furnaces, water heaters and stoves lit. It seems the Russians have been taking lessons from the lords of global interdependence, the Saudis. The West and Japan depend on Saudi oil and the Saudis depend on Western military technology (which they purchase with petrodollars). As the world’s biggest oil producing country Russia wants in on the action. The Kremlin hopes to make the Saudi-U.S. energy relationship into an energy triangle. Russian Fuel and Energy Minister Igor Yusufov recently announced a new agreement between Russia and Saudi Arabia to “coordinate oil exports.” The Kremlin also hopes to use its new relationship with the Saudis for joint ventures in the production of weapons and aircraft.

But how could Russia make nice with Saudi Arabia? After all, Russia’s civil war in Chechnya was supposedly fueled by Saudi-sponsored Wahhabi fundamentalism. At least that’s the official story out of Moscow. Islamic fanatics are said to be responsible for terrorist acts going back to the 1990s. Last July a suicide bomber killed 15 people at a Moscow rock concert. In August a suicide truck bomb killed 50 people at a military hospital in North Ossetia. These acts have been blamed on Islamic extremists. But now a new twist has appeared in the story, casting doubt on our easy assumptions. An out-of-step investigator with the Russian security services has acknowledged that the chief suspects behind the suicide bombings in Moscow and North Ossetia are Interior Ministry policemen. Of course, the acknowledgement is sure to be retracted or buried by Kremlin fixers. The indiscreet investigators and security officials who exposed the provocation will be called on the carpet. The controlled press in Moscow, with its pet liberals and democrats, will offer a few cynical asides. No major shift in world consciousness will occur.

What should be remembered, what we always seem to forget, is that Russia was the leading sponsor of international terrorism during the Cold War. Russia trained some of the world’s most notorious terrorists -- from Carlos “the Jackal” to Yasser Arafat. This week we owe a debt of gratitude to former Romanian intelligence chief Ion Mihai Pacepa for his Monday column in The Wall Street Journal Online which clarifies Arafat’s Russian connections. As Romania’s former spy chief, Pacepa has read Arafat’s KGB file. He says that Arafat was a KGB agent. According to Pacepa, Arafat “is a career terrorist, trained, armed and bankrolled by the Soviet Union and its satellites for decades.”

In his Wall Street Journal column, Pacepa describes Moscow’s plan to make Arafat the national leader of the Palestinians. And this is what Arafat has become, even as he directs the greatest terror offensive of them all -- against Israel. Pacepa describes Arafat as “an Egyptian bourgeois turned into a devoted Marxist by KGB foreign intelligence.” Arafat was trained at the Balashikha special-ops school in Russia. Pacepa also relates how “the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat’s birth in Cairo, replacing them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was therefore a Palestinian by birth.”

But surely, that is old news. The Soviet Union is gone and Arafat is a free man. Right?

In November 2000, when the Israelis were about to retaliate against Palestinian forces, Arafat flew to Moscow for a huddle with President Putin: the KGB officer and the KGB agent, now and forever. This indicates the relationship between the Kremlin and Arafat did not change with the fall of the Soviet Union. The relationship continues, and so does the overall plan.

Pacepa reminds us who has fed the hatred against Israel and U.S. imperialism decade after decade in the Middle East and elsewhere. It is Russia and its secret agents, like Arafat, that have told the big lie, spreading hate and misery on all sides. President Vladimir Putin is no friend of President Bush. He is no ally in the war against terror. He is our most dangerous enemy.

Chess champion Garry Kasparov is a Russian personality whose outspoken political writings deserve attention in this context. On Sept. 18 he wrote a column for The Wall Street Journal Europe with the title, “KGB State.” Kasparov tells us, flatly, that Putin is no ally in the war against terror. Taking the U.S. State Department and the National Security Council to task for sins of omission, Kasparov damns the policy of the Bush White House formulated by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. This policy is based on Rice’s formula that America should “punish France, ignore Germany and forgive Russia” for obstructing our war against Saddam. Kasparov calls this “one of the worst blunders of U.S. foreign policy in recent years.”

According to Kasparov, White House support for Putin “is preventing any serious opposition” to Putin’s KGB-regime. The old Soviet structures that remain beneath the surface in Russia since 1991, controlling things from the shadows, now lead the way in seizing businesses and terminating free market reforms. Kasparov tells us that democracy has collapsed in Russia. “With the de facto liquidation of the institution of a free press … and increasing power of the former KGB … Russia is increasingly overloaded with anti-U.S. hysteria.

It is time for realism to take hold in Washington. It is time for President Bush to look past Putin’s friendly demeanor. The Russian dictator intends to supply Iran with nuclear technology. He continues to support China’s military buildup. He tells his controlled media to bombard the Russian people with anti-American lies.

President Bush should have a few choice words for Vladimir Putin, who is not America’s friend. Russia is bolstering every rogue regime on the planet. It is trying to divide Europe from America. It is stirring the bubbling cauldron of Asia while breaking its disarmament treaties with the U.S. The Kremlin terror machine remains in place, and we should not be fooled.
49 posted on 06/26/2005 11:50:49 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

Ping to above post.


50 posted on 06/27/2005 12:00:15 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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