Schools Official Assails 'Gay Lifestyle'

The Washington Post ^ | 02/03/2005 | Maria Glod

[tfecw]

Thats because those animals don't have public schools or our media to teach them how to correctly perform the act.

[Bones75]

"Not everyone on FR accepts the Bible as God's true word nor do they all think that homosexuality is an evil that needs to be slapped down and eraditicated"

I sort of agree. I don't think that they are evil, frankly I don't care. What other people do in their private lives is none of anybody's business.

It's just that #1 I don't need it shoved in my face, and #2 a homosexual couple does not constitude a "marriage". A legal civil union I don't have a problem with, I could care less either way honestly.

Bones

[Politicalmom]

Have you ever studied the male seahorse?? : )

[Osage Orange]

You conveniently left out part of that sentence..."He contended in the letter that gays often suffer drug and alcohol abuse or physical abuse and that gay men don't live as long as heterosexual counterparts."

While I'll agree with you that straight people DO suffer drug and alcohol abuse...I also believe that per capita...homosexuals have a higher rate of abuse. They also don't live as long........Let's be intellectually honest here.

FWIW-

[Antoninus]

Well done, Mr. Hunt. Stick to your guns. You're about to become a national target for persecution by the Gaystapo.

[Antoninus]

The fact that homosexual behavior exists in nature amoung other species should indicate something but I guess this board member doesn't want to acknowledge that.

So does cannibalism and eating your own feces, but we don't argue that such activities are natural to man. Homosexual acts are, indeed, unnatural in that the rectum is not, by nature suited to be used as a vagina. Hence the horrible diseases that accompany buggery.

[Osage Orange]

Nice job...

I'll second your post..!!

I'm not sure why you are here Michael...but if you ever want to talk there's plenty of people here who are reasonable...and don't hate you.

FWIW-

[Seamus Mc Gillicuddy]

Agree with you 100%. Why do you think that these people have to try to recruit into their lifestyle?

[fluffy]

Some facts:

Average life-span of a gay male: 44 years
Average life-span of a gay female: 49 years
% of gay men in the general population: 1.8%
% of HIV carriers that are gay: 60%
% of gay men that contract venereal disease: 75% (vs 17%, general pop)
% of gay men that contract a VD annually: 40% (vs 2%, general pop)
% of gay men who are addicted to drugs: 51% (vs 7%, general pop)
% of gay men who have a major psychological disorder: 40% (vs. 3%, general pop)
% of gay men who are infected with:
Amebiasis: 35% (Inflamation of the rectum)
Giardiasis: 20% (chronic diarrhea, nausea)
Gonorrhea: 60%
Shigellosis: 15% (colonic and intestinal ulcers)
Chlamydia: 10%
Syphilis: 30%
"Crabs": 69%
Condylomata: 60% (anal warts)
Scabies: 22%
Herpes: 15%
Hepatitis A: 16%
Hep B: 27%
HIV +: 30% (As high as 50% in San Francisco)
AIDS: 10%

Seems to be a pretty safe lifestyle to me. References available upon request, of course.

[spodefly]

It's sad that it's news when someone speaks the truth. The Homoactivist lobby has had tremendous success in making most people afraid to speak the truth. It is way past time to counter their glorification of a diseased lifestyle with a dose of the truth.

[jettester]

I had lunch yesterday with a fellow missionary who is from Kenya. He spoke of a women he knew who had been on staff in Idi Amin's household during his rein of terror as dictator. It seems that Amin was from a tribe of people known to be cannibals but civilization changes had kept this in check for the most part.

My friend said that this women was working in the house the day Amin had influential guests over for dinner and these guests happened to be from his same tribe. During a discussion Amin was having with his guests before dinner, one of Amin's son (who was 12 years old) walked by. Amin "chose" this son and told his cook to kill the boy and cook him for his guests. The women houseworker happened to walk in the kitchen as the body was being prepared and witnessed the "serving" of his body to these guests and Amin.

I think everyone on this board would be agree this was an outrage of the highest immorality to be committed, yet it happened according to this missionary's friend. Our culture views this kind of barbaric act as an atrocity and would never condone this lifestyle. Would Amin's tribe blink an eye or suggest that it was wrong? No, probably not, because that is "what they have always done." To take your argument to the extreme, since this event also occurs in "nature" do we just have to accept it? I think not and rightly so. Do we have the ability to culturally decide right and wrong behavior. Absolutely.

Do I equate cannibalism with homosexuality. No, that is not my point. But the postmodernist view that "what you do is up to you and I can't say anything about it" is the biggest lie of all. Of course we can, and should, dictate socially acceptable boundaries of behavior. I happen to view the advancing of the homosexual agenda and its' impact on our society with the same revulsion as this story of Idi Amin - it's not natural and should be outlawed.

[gieriscm]

Yes, please, I'd love references for your facts in post #49. Either freep-mail or post them on this thread as I'm sure others will be interested.

[BibChr]

The fact that homosexual behavior exists in nature amoung other species should indicate something but I guess this board member doesn't want to acknowledge that.

So does killing and cannibalism.

Did you have a point? A coherent, relevant one, I mean?

Dan
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[BibChr]

Dang! Your 5 = my 53!

Dan

[Samwise]

Great minds...

[NCLaw441]

I thank you for your correction. I had proceeded under the assumption that EVEN IF there is homosexual behavior in nature, that doesn't require that human homosexual behavior be tolerated. The fact that something is "natural" (such as disease) certainly lead to the conclusion that it is acceptable or valuable.


thanks again

[DooDahhhh]

Unfortunately, I beg to differ with you; Maybe some have choice, but the ones I know just knew it around 11 or 12 years of age.

[scripter]

The fact that homosexual behavior exists in nature amoung other species should indicate something but I guess this board member doesn't want to acknowledge that.

That [anyone] would rely upon animals to teach humans' anything betrays its fundamental lack of any moorings or for that matter, of much in the way of common sense. To see this, let us first remember what animals do.

Animals, among other .criminal' activities:

• Kill and eat members of their species . that is, they are often cannibals;
• Kill and eat some of their offspring . that is, they commit cannibalistic infanticide;
• Compete with other males for the opportunity to have sex with a particular female, often killing or debilitating the rival;
• Fight with and exile or kill the owner of a harem, kill his .children,' and then raise other children with the females in the harem (the females show no loyalty' to their former husband' and blithely have sex with the new guy).
• Discriminate against and kill .aliens' to their particular territory or tribe;
• Often have sex with some of their offspring;
• Often have sex with relatives and near-relatives (from a human perspective, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, grandparents, etc.) . in other words, they commit incest;
• Let the males just about always get their way (e.g., eat first, win any spats),
• Often allow large groups of males to have sex with a female, even leaving her near-dead or even dead . that is, they engage in .gang rape;' and
• Often allow one male to hog all the females in a given area, driving away his .sons' and his .friends' who would like a little sexual .pleasure' with the .girls.'

None of these activities inform how we regard cannibalism, murder, gang rape, marriage, the rightful place of the sexes, or incest. What happens in the animal kingdom is irrelevant to what occurs in the human realm.
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Humans are different from animals in countless ways. Humans speak, write, have a sense of personal history and the history of their culture (and often of other cultures as well). They think about and plan for the future, have theories about what makes the world tick (e.g., believe in God, Evolution, or alien visitors), and devise schemes of how the world 'should be' (e.g., have legal systems and cultural ideals 'everyone is equal', only a man and a woman can be married,'etc.).
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Humans also change the world in innumerable ways (build roads, buildings, bridges, tunnels), and manipulate the earth for food and entertainment (e.g., horticulture, husbandry, planetary exploration). Animals, as near as we can determine, do none of these things. Even when they 'use tools' (like sticks or rocks), animals display only rudimentary skill at the enterprise. Source
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If we arbitrarily pick which animal behaviors to value, then any such study from which we get insights for human behavior is a complete waste of time.

[Rudder]

You're welcome. I got the gist of your earlier statement and I, too, strongly disagree with the erroneous argument that 'homosexuality is "natural" since it allegedly occurs in the animal kingdom.'

[fluffy]

The big publications to search are:
Jay and Young, The Gay Report
Diseases of Colon and Rectum
Journal of Sex Research
New England Journal of Medicine
Homosexualities
Sex in America
Sexually Transmitted Diseases

Some interesting articles:

D.A. Dawson: AIDS knowledge and Attitudes: Provisional Data from the National Health Interview Survey, Advance Data from Vital and Health Statistics 193
J.E. Fitti and M. Cynamon, ibid #195
P.F. Adams and A.M. Hardy, ibid #198
Robert Fay et al. "Prevalence and Patterns of Same-Gender Contact Among Men, Science 243
S.M. Rogers and C.F. Turner, "Male-Male Sexual Contact in the U.S.A.: Findings from Five Sample Surveys, 1970 - 1990," Journal of Sex Research 28
"A Review of Sexual Behavior in the United States," American Journal of Psychiatry 151
E.O. Laumann et al., The Social Organization of Sexuality
L. Ku, F.L. Sonenstein and J.H. Pleck, "Patterns of HIV risk and Preventative Behaviors Among Teenage Men," Public Health Reports 107
A.M. Johnson et al., "Sexual Lifestyles and HIV Risk," Nature 360
Laumann et al., Social Organization of Sexuality,
L. Diamant and R.B. Simono, "The Relationship of Homosexuality to mental Disorders," in Male and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches,
J.C. Gonsiorek, "An Intoroduction to Mental Health Issues and Homosexuality," American Behavioral Scientist 25, no 4
J.B.W. Williams et. al., "Multidisciplinary Baseline Assessment of Homosexual Men with and Without Human Immunodeficiency Virus Infection: Pt 2, Standardized Clinical Assessment of Current and Lifetime Psychopathology," Archives of General Psychiatry 48
J. Agnew, "Some Anatomical and Physiological Aspects of Anal Sexual Practices", Journal of Homosexuality 12
R.D. Catterall, "Sexually Transmitted Diseases of the Anus and Rectum," Clinical Gastroenterology 4
Y.M. Felman, "Homosexual Hazards," Practitioner
H.L. Kazal et al., "The Gay Bowel Syndrome: Clinico-pathologic Correlation in 260 cases," Annals of Clinical Laboratory Science 6
A.I. Miles et al., "effect of Anoreceptive Intercourse on Anorectal Function," Journal of the Royal Society of medicine 86
D.G. Ostrow, "Homosecuality and Sexually Transmitted Diseases," in Sexually Transmitted Deseases, ed. K.K. Holmes et al., 2nd ed.
T.C. Quinn, "Clinical Approach to Intestinal Infections in Homosexual Men," The Medical Clinics of North America 70, no. 3
T. Quinn and W.E. Stamm, "Proctitis, Proctocolitis andEnteritis in Homosexual Men," in Sexually transmitted Diseases
M.F. Rein, "Clinical Approach to Urethritis, Mucotaneous Lesions and Inguinal Lymphadenopathy in Homosexual Men," 70 no. 3
C.M. Surawicz et al., "Anal Dysplasia in Homosexual Men: Roll of Anoscopy and Biopsy," Gastroenterology 105
McKusick et al., "AIDS and Sexual Behaviors,"
Messiah et al. "Factors Correlated with Homosexually Acquired HIV"
V.C. Riley, "Resurgent Gonorrhea in Homosexual Men," Lancet 337, no. 8733
M. Young et al., "Rectal Gonorrhea and Unsafe Sex," Lancet 337, no. 8745
M. Orkin and H. Maibach, "Scabies," in Sexually Transmitted Diseases
J. Daling et al., "Sexual Practices, Sexual Transmitted Diseases and the Incidence of Anal Cancer," New England Journal of Medicine 317
D. Wexner, J.W. Milsom and T.H. Dailey, "The Demographics of Anal Cancers Are Changing: Identification of a High Risk Population," Diseases of Clolon and Rectum 30