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Wild Oats, Now and Later
Townhall.com ^ | Feb. 2, 2005 | John R. Diggs, Jr., M.D.

Posted on 02/03/2005 6:02:48 AM PST by Tax-chick

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To: Taliesan

I know VERY well what the subject is, being a single female. Are you married? If you are, that's peachy keen. If you don't believe that the sex drive is as strong as death itself then you're fooling yourself. Have a nice day.


41 posted on 02/03/2005 10:04:17 AM PST by cyborg
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To: Tax-chick
I don't understand why you all are arguing about BEING SURE about anything. You missed the point of the article, which is that there is a correlation between the number of sex partners and cervical cancer via the agent described here, and that the information that is generally available is misleading on this point.

That is point of the article.

The only way to be certain you will not die in a car crash today is to stay out of cars. And you can't do that; it's not "realistic". You might reason, therefore, that you should drive at 100 miles an hour while drunk, since there is no guarantee available. Or, another approach might be to slow down and buckle your seat belt and decrease the probability of dying.

Why simple logic gets all bolloxed up is beyond me.

42 posted on 02/03/2005 10:05:16 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: cyborg
I can say with absolute certainty that MOST people, when faced with imminent death, would (and do) curb their libido. In normal people, the sex drive is insignificant compared with the fear of death.

Those who are not this way are few and rapidly dying off.

And you are just not thinking clearly.

43 posted on 02/03/2005 10:11:44 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: Tax-chick
Men, how will you react when you future wife has an abnormal Pap smear because of her college behavior?

Or because of his college behavior.

44 posted on 02/03/2005 10:35:35 AM PST by knuthom
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To: Tax-chick

I see one after another "totally unrealistic" comment here. I am reminded of an article I read in a local health magazine. The physician-author was commenting on various serious and even incurable STDs he sees frequently among younger women, and he added in a very offhand way, "Of course, when I was younger, we would never have seen anything like this because sexual behavior was so different then." If it was terribly different within the lifetime of one human being, sexual behavior is obviously not programmed into us. Patterns that are learned can (and in this case, should) be UNlearned.


45 posted on 02/03/2005 11:29:09 AM PST by madprof98
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To: cyborg
you don't believe that the sex drive is as strong as death itself then you're fooling yourself.

You will notice that illegitimacy in the Islamic countries is almost miniscule because those cultures are very unforgiving when it comes to fornication or adultery - to the point where people get banished from the family, whipped, or executed.

Apparently, the fear of death or physical punishment DOES overcome the libido in the vast majority of people who live there.

46 posted on 02/03/2005 11:44:24 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Taliesan
You missed the point of the article

No, we didn't. We just decided to explore a slightly different topic.

47 posted on 02/03/2005 12:21:38 PM PST by Tax-chick (Some people say that Life is the thing, but I prefer reading.)
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To: madprof98

I think you are correct.


48 posted on 02/03/2005 12:22:23 PM PST by Tax-chick (Some people say that Life is the thing, but I prefer reading.)
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To: knuthom
Or because of his college behavior.

Exactly.

49 posted on 02/03/2005 12:23:24 PM PST by Tax-chick (Some people say that Life is the thing, but I prefer reading.)
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To: Tax-chick
On the Down Low: A Journey Into the Lives of "Straight" Black Men Who Sleep with Men

Editorial Reviews, Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0767913981/qid=1107469595/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/103-5723947-1539833

The closer a secret is kept, the more powerful the impact once it is finally revealed. Such is the case with author and activist J.L. King's intriguing look at the lives and lifestyles of black men who sleep with other men but do not consider themselves to be gay. These men live "on the down low," the "DL" for short, and their sexual activities have gained significant notice as the rate of HIV/AIDS infection in black women has skyrocketed, with the vast majority of cases coming from heterosexual sex. King is a veteran of the DL himself and his book serves partly as a social and psychological survey of the other men he has surveyed and partly as highly candid memoir. King was well regarded in his community, popular at his church, successful in his career, and married to a woman who had no idea that his secret life existed. But when she caught him in a lie and with another man, the marriage collapsed and King's long and painful path to self-awareness began.

King cites the negative image many socially conservative black men have of homosexuality as an obstacle to those men being honest with their partners and themselves about who they are. Among the more intriguing elements of On the Down Low are the peculiar approaches men on the DL have to the sexual act, seeking a strictly physical sexual relationship with their secret male partners while remaining in more traditional arrangements with women. Whether this discrepancy is a product of scrupulously guarded secrecy and shame or the natural preference of an understudied sexual identity is one of the numerous questions raised by this book.

Though the infection statistics make the DL a huge public health issue, King is neither a sociologist nor a medical professional. And while a more clinical look at this issue would be welcome, King accomplished what he set out to do: provide light and insight into a world that so many have worked so hard to keep in the shadows. --John Moe

50 posted on 02/03/2005 2:39:19 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Tax-chick; Rudder; cyborg
Back when in New York State, you had to have a blood test to get a license to marry. Maybe that's a law that needs to be resurrected by all states.
51 posted on 02/03/2005 2:48:59 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush your enemies; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women - Conan)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

I wonder why they got rid of that law in the first place. Good point.


52 posted on 02/03/2005 2:50:49 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother; cyborg

Unfortunately, many of the new STD's can't be diagnosed with a blood test.


53 posted on 02/03/2005 2:54:29 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: Tax-chick

Really! Which ones?


54 posted on 02/03/2005 2:55:39 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush your enemies; see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of their women - Conan)
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To: Tax-chick

I don't think HPV can but AIDS and syphilis can be blood tested. At least that would take care of those two. Otherwise, you are relying on your partner's honesty.


55 posted on 02/03/2005 2:56:50 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

HPV and Chlamydia, to start with. Both of these often have no symptoms for men, but have very serious consequences for women.


56 posted on 02/03/2005 2:59:02 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: cyborg

And AIDS testing is iffy unless it's an older infection. I think I read 12 months or more, but can't swear to it.


57 posted on 02/03/2005 2:59:46 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

The new strains of syphilis aren't detected by current testing methods. I read a story about a new strain of the disease cropping up in the city. Give it time and it'll be in the heterosexual population as well.


58 posted on 02/03/2005 3:00:44 PM PST by cyborg
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
You will notice that illegitimacy in the Islamic countries is almost miniscule because those cultures are very unforgiving when it comes to fornication or adultery - to the point where people get banished from the family, whipped, or executed.

Apparently, the fear of death or physical punishment DOES overcome the libido in the vast majority of people who live there.

You've made an excellent point in supporting your argument, which I agree with you on.

59 posted on 02/03/2005 3:09:09 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury

The punishments in Islamic countries are for women. Men get away with all the adultery, fornication, incest, and pederasty that they have a fancy for.


60 posted on 02/03/2005 3:12:15 PM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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