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Poll: Catholics Favored Bush Over Kerry
AP via Yahoo ^ | 2/3/05 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

Posted on 02/03/2005 6:56:41 AM PST by ZGuy

John Kerry managed the best showing since in decades for a Democratic presidential candidate among mainline Protestants, but his failure to capture a majority of Roman Catholics — people of his own faith — gave President Bush an important advantage in last November's election, according to a new survey.

Bush's showing also improved dramatically among Hispanic Protestants, 63 percent of whom supported him in 2004 — a 31 percent gain over 2000.

The postelection phone survey of 2,730 people, conducted by the University of Akron and sponsored by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, is a close study of voting behavior and religious faith.

Among non-Hispanic Catholics, Kerry won the support of 69 percent with those with liberal or "modernist" beliefs, while 72 percent of "traditionalists" favored Bush. But importantly, 55 percent of the key swing group of "centrists" picked Bush over Kerry, who was criticized by bishops for his support of abortion rights.

The upshot: A one-time Democratic mainstay, Catholics gave Bush an overall edge of 53 percent to Kerry's 47 percent.

Overall, the mainline Protestant vote split evenly, the poll found, with a Bush decline of 10 percent from 2000 and the best showing for a Democrat since the 1960s; results before then are unclear.

Divisions between religious liberals and conservatives were even more stark than they were four years ago.

"The American religious landscape was strongly polarized in the 2004 presidential vote and more so than in 2000," concluded the team of four political scientists, led by Akron's John C. Green.

The scholars said Bush's religious constituency included Christian traditionalists in all categories, Mormons, Hispanic Protestants and religious centrists among Catholics and mainline Protestants.

Kerry's support came from black Protestants and secular Americans, followed by "modernists" among Catholics and mainline Protestants. Jews and Latino Catholics remained loyally Democratic.

Other questions focused on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, which were thought to be crucial when Nov. 2 exit polls showed "moral values" were more important to voters than Iraq (news - web sites), terrorism or the economy.

The study concluded that "social issues were quite important to the Bush vote, but a secondary factor for the electorate as a whole."

The quadrennial Akron surveys are notable for careful interviewing on respondents' precise religious affiliations and religious views and activities. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushvictory; catholicvote; gwb2004; issues; religion

1 posted on 02/03/2005 6:56:42 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

I've noticed a move by lotsa Catholic Parishes towards more conservatism, starting in the mid 1980s. We are slowly flushing away the PC, pro-commie, no-nukes crowd that dominated too many portions of the Church in the 1960s and 70s.


2 posted on 02/03/2005 7:01:03 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

From your mouth to God's ears! As a book title has it, the main task is keeping the Church Catholic with Pope JP II!


3 posted on 02/03/2005 7:09:24 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
the main task is keeping the Church Catholic with Pope JP II!

Well... since he's likely to be in Heaven pretty soon, I guess that would be a good thing.

But I guess I get what you mean.

4 posted on 02/03/2005 7:11:28 AM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: ZGuy

Or as the democrats call it, "Voter Fraud".


5 posted on 02/03/2005 7:12:34 AM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Unam Sanctam

JP II is a) strong anti-commie, b) vociferously pro-life, and c) More tradition oriented than his immediate predecessors.

I like the man!


6 posted on 02/03/2005 7:13:02 AM PST by pissant
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To: ZGuy

In my parish in DC at least 50% of the people are Bush supporters even though the city as a whole went 91% against him. It is getting more, and more acceptable to be an Irish Catholic and vote Republican. (Although my mom doesn't understand)


7 posted on 02/03/2005 7:15:56 AM PST by xcullen (DC Conservative)
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To: pissant

I think you're right, but it's too damn slow to suit me, speaking as a Catholic. We need more conservative Catholic bishops to speak out forcefully, especially in the liberal urban areas where there are large numbers of old-time traditionally Democratic Catholics. The phony "Catholic" politicians should all be put on notice that the game is over.


8 posted on 02/03/2005 7:19:05 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: ZGuy

Lurch was "Catholic in name only", just like his Irish-sounding last name, he's not Irish, I think his grandfather came over from Czechoslovakia and changed it once her. Grandpa may have been Jewish.

He's a phony RC, especially w/ the abortion doubletalk.

The only things I'm sure about the weasel is that he's a traitor and a liar.


9 posted on 02/03/2005 7:19:34 AM PST by Former Dodger (I thought ABORTION was murder and FUR was a Woman's right to choose.)
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To: ZGuy

Kerry took "mainline" protestants because they have become liberal. Conservative Protestants have moved to Evangelical Churches. The new Religious Alliance in this country will be Conservative Catholics and traditional and contemporary Evangelicals Christians.


10 posted on 02/03/2005 7:21:31 AM PST by 11th Commandment
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To: ZGuy

A Catholic's stance on war is a perfect litmus test of their true orthodoxy.


11 posted on 02/03/2005 7:27:48 AM PST by mike182d
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To: ZGuy


Good catch.
Thanks.


12 posted on 02/03/2005 7:29:23 AM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: pissant


Yep, the old school crowd are dying off and retiring.


13 posted on 02/03/2005 7:30:35 AM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Amen


14 posted on 02/03/2005 7:32:58 AM PST by pissant
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To: ZGuy

As a 41 year old catacumen who will accept the sacrament of confirmation this Easter, I intend to contribute to the rightward shift of American Catholics.


15 posted on 02/03/2005 7:34:53 AM PST by QuietI
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To: QuietI

I converted a couple of years ago; bless you and good luck.


16 posted on 02/03/2005 7:36:55 AM PST by fdcc
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To: ZGuy

I saw this story in the Boston Globe's online edition. There is an accompanying link to the study. I am not sure if that link has been posted but here it is:

http://www.uakron.edu/bliss/research.php


17 posted on 02/03/2005 7:36:57 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Ah, yes Dr. Green. He's a moderate Rockefeller Republican, he was my Poli Sci professor in college. I wrote a term paper on how Reagan ended the cold war and was the one man most responsible for the fall of Communism.

I got an A.


18 posted on 02/03/2005 7:41:46 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: QuietI

As a lifelong, formerly lapsed but re-awakened Catholic, I welcome you heartily.


19 posted on 02/03/2005 7:43:42 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Emmett McCarthy

"I think you're right, but it's too damn slow to suit me, speaking as a Catholic. We need more conservative Catholic bishops to speak out forcefully, especially in the liberal urban areas where there are large numbers of old-time traditionally Democratic Catholics. The phony "Catholic" politicians should all be put on notice that the game is over."

It is not my place, as a Southern Baptist, to comment on Roman Catholic matters. Except to say that I admire your denominations move to cleanse itself. I sometimes wished it was possible for the SBC to rid itself of psuedo-baptists like Bill Clinton - they are a great embarrassment.


20 posted on 02/03/2005 7:46:21 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ZGuy

Well, duh. Kerry was pro-abortion.


21 posted on 02/03/2005 7:48:12 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: Former Dodger
The only things I'm sure about the weasel is that he's a traitor and a liar.

He's proved that. Did you hear him the other claiming to have been shot at by the Khmer Rouge in 1968? Only if they had a time machine, the KR never hit the field until 1972.

22 posted on 02/03/2005 7:50:07 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: ZGuy

If the GOP wants to keep it that way, we'd better start acting like we care about pro-life issues...


23 posted on 02/03/2005 7:52:00 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc sign, vinces )
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To: Sola Veritas

I do not object to a Southern Baptist commenting on Catholic matters. I try to keep it simple: All who believe that Jesus Christ paid the price to redeem us from our sins are one and the same. Denominational differences are just a bunch of crap about whether we can drink or dance! Now, I know I can't dance, but I learned that from the consensus of opinion of many women over the years, not from a priest or minister!


24 posted on 02/03/2005 7:54:57 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: pissant
"I've noticed a move by lotsa Catholic Parishes towards more conservatism, starting in the mid 1980s."

Full Disclosure: I am not Catholic. However, my wife and daughter are. Our local Catholic parish had 9 new voters (never voted before) most did not know each other before they joined the church and they began discussing politics after their classes (the ones required to join the church).

The Father was asked to join their discussions but he refused because he does not think it is his place to advise on who one should vote for. Anyhow they all came to the conclusion that they could not vote for Kerry based on two issues abortion and single sex marriage.

Some of the older Democrat church members were taken aback one even tried to brow beat one young lady saying she was not being true to her gender. She shot back at him that her gender did not allow her to ignore the teachings of Christ and that maybe he should reconsider his being a member of the Catholic Faith.

The snowball is rolling down the hill and it is getting bigger and bigger!

25 posted on 02/03/2005 7:56:45 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Thanks for sharing that. Kudos to the young lady. And Kudos to the Priest for recogniziing it was not his place to be a political adviser.


26 posted on 02/03/2005 8:23:45 AM PST by pissant
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To: Emmett McCarthy

"All who believe that Jesus Christ paid the price to redeem us from our sins are one and the same. Denominational differences are just a bunch of crap about whether we can drink or dance!"

Actually that is a bad oversimplification and generalization. However, I do appreciate your iremic spirit. I have learned to avoid these discussions about differences, even strictly theological ones, because they just make people mad and don't change any minds. Also, I have noted that there is too much "Catholic Bashing" by Protestants and visa versa here on FR. I just don't consider it to be ediflying.


27 posted on 02/03/2005 8:31:03 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

OK - what's "iremic" mean?


28 posted on 02/03/2005 8:32:32 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Former Dodger

Both his grandma and grandpa on his father's side were Jewish. A proffesional geneologist discovered this. The family wanted it to be a secret. Kerry's grandfather commited suicide in a hotel after losing alot of money when Kerry's father was a kid. According to articles I have read Kerry's father didn't like to talk about his past. It is possible John Kerry didn't know he was half Jewish. He attended a Catholic Church growing up. I think as a kid he did do a project on his family history and learned that his grandma was probably Jewish. So people who chastise him for letting Mass. think he was your typical Irish Catholic have a point. He really doesn't have any immediate Irish ancestory.


29 posted on 02/03/2005 8:34:20 AM PST by hg23
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To: Emmett McCarthy

"OK - what's "iremic" mean?"

Sorry, I misspelled it. It should be "irenic." Which means "promoting peace" or "concillatory." The opposite of irenic is polemic.


30 posted on 02/03/2005 10:34:39 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ZGuy
When the Dims sold their soul to the pro-aborts, they began to give away the Catholic and Hispanic votes.
31 posted on 02/03/2005 10:42:49 AM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: ZGuy

32 posted on 02/03/2005 7:36:55 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: xcullen

Like Boston ferinstance?

33 posted on 02/03/2005 7:39:22 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: pissant

Unfortunatly, the Churches I have attended are filled with liberal nuns and gay priests.


34 posted on 02/03/2005 7:42:25 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: ZGuy; Cacique
Bush's showing also improved dramatically among Hispanic Protestants, 63 percent of whom supported him in 2004

OK, my friends, get out and convert the Latinos as soon as possible!

35 posted on 02/03/2005 7:45:16 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: Former Dodger; All
Kerry, Kerry, Quite Contrary:

"Kerry, Kerry, quite Contrary,
How did Ohio go?
You made the push, to beat George Bush,
but overlooked Carl Rove!

You padded the vote, with even a goat,
and lawyers ready to rally!
But try as you may, on that given day,
fell short on the ultimate tally!!

With CBS Dan, you made your stand,
and labeled the Prez a liar!
The "Elitists" beamed as "Fahrenheit" screened,
and Teddy belched deep from the mire!!

The Media said, that you were ahead,
and winning by you, a "cinch"!
They just couldn't wait, to end the debate,
and Crown you and the "pickle-wench"!!

But from the waters of Nam, and praise of the "Cong",
Your past had the stench of a "paddy"!
After all's said and done, about who's Number One!
GW is still yo' Daddy!!!!"

36 posted on 02/03/2005 7:49:35 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Ignorance is temporary and correctible; stupidity is voluntary and permanent)
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To: Sola Veritas

What is Catholic Bashing to you? It seems to me that anyone on this site who complains about corruption in the Church of Rome is called "anti-Catholic."


37 posted on 02/03/2005 7:53:04 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: Clemenza

"What is Catholic Bashing to you? It seems to me that anyone on this site who complains about corruption in the Church of Rome is called "anti-Catholic.""

First of all, I also said visa-versa - the bashing cuts both ways. But, to the point. I think the internal affairs of the Roman Catholic church is theirs to solve and not me as a Baptist. I expect the same in return. Generally, what I call "bashing" is spreading "pat" generalizations and stereotypes about another group.

For example folks keep "bashing" the RCs over a few perverts that have gotten into their clergy. Implying that they are all that way. In the reverse, I get tired of RCs bashing Baptist ministers, implying they are all "Elmer Gantrys." That is what I mean by bashing.


38 posted on 02/04/2005 5:43:54 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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