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SENATOR KERRY ASKED TO SIGN RECORDS RELEASE FORM
Judicial Watch ^ | 2/2/05 | Press Release

Posted on 02/03/2005 8:34:44 AM PST by pookie18

SENATOR KERRY ASKED TO SIGN RECORDS RELEASE FORM

Watchdog Asks Kerry to Keep His Word Concerning Signing Standard Form 180

Kerry's Opportunity to Release Full Naval Service Record to the American People

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today asked Senator John F. Kerry to keep his word to the American public and sign a Standard Form 180 (SF 180), "Request Pertaining to Military Records." On Sunday, January 30, 2005, during an appearance on the NBC News show "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert asked Senator Kerry (three times) if he would sign an SF 180 and release all of his military records. On the third attempt Senator Kerry answered Mr. Russert plainly:

MR. RUSSERT: Would you sign Form 180?

SEN. KERRY: Yes, I will.

In a letter hand delivered to Senator Kerry's office, Judicial Watch asked him to execute the SF 180 immediately and thereby put to rest the controversies surrounding his service as a U.S. Navy officer.

Judicial Watch requested release of Senator Kerry's military service records under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act ("FOIA"). Navy Personnel Command withheld thirty-one (31) pages of documents because Senator Kerry refused to sign an SF 180 and release them to the public. The records pertained to: "Personnel service jackets and service records, correspondence and records in both automated and non-automated form concerning classification, assignment, distribution, promotion, advancement, performance, recruiting, retention, reenlistment, separation, training, education, morale, personal affairs, benefits, entitlements, discipline and administration of naval personnel."

"Senator Kerry has yet to come clean with the American people," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "We hope he will finally keep his promise to release his military records."

Much of the information concerning Sen. Kerry's questionable awards for valor, and allegations concerning his actions both on Active Duty and as an Inactive Naval Reserve officer was detailed in the best-selling book "Unfit for Command," by John E. O'Neill and Jerome R. Corsi, PhD.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: form180; judicialwatch; kerry; kerry180; kerryisaschmuck; militaryrecord; sf180
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To: Howlin
Dang; I was so hopeful until I saw the words "Judicial Watch."

LOL! Yes, that killed it.

Judicial Watch, the 'kiss of death'. It's where legal challenges are launched weekly by the dozen and get lost in space, never to be heard from again. Keep sending your money in though....

51 posted on 02/03/2005 9:07:47 AM PST by xJones
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To: pookie18

That sleezy ba$tard will never sign it.....he'll waffle about it like everything else in his life.


52 posted on 02/03/2005 9:09:17 AM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: RetiredArmy
He left his pen in Iraq in his SUV.

No, I believe it was in Cambodia at Christmas...

53 posted on 02/03/2005 9:10:07 AM PST by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I pray that the day will come that you change you tagline to indicate that YOU are the Hero and EX-senator Kerry is a convicted war criminal.

We all know you are a hero, Tonk. We all want Kerry to pay for what he did to dishonor all of the heroes who served in Viet Nam.

54 posted on 02/03/2005 9:11:09 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: 506trooper

You are welcome. Thank you for your service.


55 posted on 02/03/2005 9:12:10 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: Grut
No, for Jean Francois it should be:

Son stylo est dans le jardin de sa Tante.
56 posted on 02/03/2005 9:14:21 AM PST by MKM1960
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To: pookie18
Kerry is old news. He is a loser, and the whole democratic party knows his boat was sunk by the Swiftees...and would be again (only it would be uglier) if he ran in 2008.

IMO, we should be focusing on catching Hitlery in all her lies...and doing it with solid, irrefutable evidence.

Can you imagine a world with Bill as the UN Secretary-General, and Hitlery as President? HELL ON EARTH. If that happens I'm seriously going to start looking for the second coming of Christ.

57 posted on 02/03/2005 9:15:18 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Welcome to my addiction.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I know, but chances are the he will never sign the form because it will show that he was given a dishonorable discharge and probably pardoned by Jimmy Carter.

nikos vlachos


58 posted on 02/03/2005 9:16:13 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: pookie18

Dan Rather will be right there for a breaking story. /NOT


59 posted on 02/03/2005 9:18:04 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: nikos1121
that he was given a dishonorable discharge

I agree that he will not sign the form, but I believe that he was given an "OTH" discharge and not a "DisH.".

Anything less then an honorable though ends this guys xchances for future national office. But Mass. will continue to reelect him, hands down.

60 posted on 02/03/2005 9:22:06 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("One day Pilgrim, there will be a knock on the door...." - Paul Lazarro)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
"Can you imagine a world with Bill as the UN Secretary-General, and Hitlery as President? HELL ON EARTH."

I think I would have to volunteer for space station duty, or agree to go help colonize the moon.

61 posted on 02/03/2005 9:23:08 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: pookie18

This will never happen. In fact, in the future, the RNC should run ads touting Kerry's dishonorable discharge if he cannot prove it because he has not signed the 180.


62 posted on 02/03/2005 9:26:01 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: pookie18
Meet the Press Transcript for April 18, 2004
Guest: Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, presidential candidate
NBC News
Updated: 11:47 a.m. ET April 18, 2004


...

MR. RUSSERT: The Boston Globe reports that your commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibberd has suggested that you perhaps didn't earn your first Purple Heart and question whether you should have left Vietnam after six months. In order to deal with those kinds of issues, when I asked President Bush about his service in the Texas Guard, he agreed to release all his military records, health records, everything. Would you agree to release all your military records?

SEN. KERRY: I have. I've shown them--they're available to you to come and look at. I think that's a very unfair characterization by that person. I mean, politics is politics. The medical records show that I had shrapnel removed from my arm. We were in combat. We were in a very, very--probably one of the most frightening--if you ask anybody who was with me, the two guys who were with me, was probably the most frightening night that they had that they were in Vietnam and we're...

MR. RUSSERT: But you'll make all your records public.

SEN. KERRY: They are. People can come and see them at headquarters and take a look at them. I'm not going to--but I'll tell you this. I'm proud of my service. I'm proud of what we did. I know what happened. And the Navy 35 years ago made a decision and it's the Navy's decision and I think it was the right decision.

...

MSNBC transcript: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4772030/

The Agonist transcript: http://discuss.agonist.org/yabbse/index.php?board=21;action=display;threadid=18680


The Junior Senator from Massachusetts is still hedging and nuancing.
63 posted on 02/03/2005 9:28:09 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: pookie18

bump


64 posted on 02/03/2005 9:28:38 AM PST by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: Michael.SF.

Yes, that's actually what I heard to when come right down to it. It was a less than honorable. What I can't understand is how the democrats were able to get (leak) additional records of Bush and Cheney and others. You mean there's a file of papers somewhere on Kerry, and there's no one with any inside access who can leak them?

nikos


65 posted on 02/03/2005 9:29:35 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: pookie18
After reading the press release by Judicial Watch, I called his office and asked when he would sign the form. I had called Monday morning after his appearance on Meet the Press. They didn't know at that time at all when it would occur, and were not familiar with what I was referring to. This morning after they had me on hold for about twenty minutes, I spoke to a spokesman who said that what Kerry actually said was that he would sign it once the 527s did. I explained that I saw the program Sunday and have read the transcript and that wasn't what he said. The only thing resembling anything about the 527s was when immediately after Kerry said that he would sign it, with no conditions, was that he called on those who "challenged" him to see their records.
66 posted on 02/03/2005 9:30:22 AM PST by DarthDilbert
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To: TomGuy; All
Kerry is nuancing -- 'all the records he had received' -- implies that Kerry has NOT requested that ALL records be made available to him, but ONLY ones he requested have been made available.

Yes, you're absolutely right. In just 15 seconds he weasled three times:

"they sent some more stuff, which had some things that weren't even relevant to the record."

What could be in the record that isn't relevant? It's all in the record, therefore it's all relevant.

"I'm going to sit down with them and make sure that they are clear and I am clear as to what is in the record and what isn't in the record and we'll put it out."

Who is "them"?

And again, it's all "in the record." No need to sit down, no need to look, no need to "be clear." Just hand over the file.

"everything that was out was a full documentation of all of the medical records, all of the fitness reports"

That's like saying the DD-214 is "full documentation" of the DD-214. It's a meaningless statement.

What's being asked for is the entire file that is responsive to the 180, without editing, without "clarifying," without censorship.

What's obvious is that Kerry intends to somhow scrub whatever materials are delivered, and its clear he know exactly what those "not relevant" documents are.

67 posted on 02/03/2005 9:32:15 AM PST by angkor
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To: Boundless
Here's an idea: An SF180 Signing Event. Have Kerry list the names of all who he is insisting must sign their 180, then Kerry and all those people show up in the same place at the appointed time. and they all sign together and send the forms in to where ever they have to be sent.

Invite the media to watch. It'd be fun. They could have cake and cookies afterward.

68 posted on 02/03/2005 9:36:44 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: savedbygrace
"Here's an idea: An SF180 Signing Event. Have Kerry list the names of all who he is insisting must sign their 180, then Kerry and all those people show up in the same place at the appointed time. and they all sign together and send the forms in to where ever they have to be sent. Invite the media to watch. It'd be fun."

"They could have cake and cookies afterward."

Kerry's pen will be mysteriously filled with disappearing ink.

69 posted on 02/03/2005 9:38:53 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: DarthDilbert
I spoke to a spokesman who said that what Kerry actually said was that he would sign it once the 527s did.

What he really meant is that he'll sign the 180 after all 40,000 contributors to SWIFTvets sign theirs.

70 posted on 02/03/2005 10:43:44 AM PST by angkor
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To: angkor
"What he really meant is that he'll sign the 180 after all 40,000 contributors to SWIFTvets sign theirs."

I bet they all would to get him to sign it!

71 posted on 02/03/2005 10:46:35 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: pookie18

Pass the popcorn, sit back and watch. LOL


72 posted on 02/03/2005 11:55:36 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: SolidSupplySide

Wasn't it stuck in the brim of his lucky hat?


73 posted on 02/03/2005 12:37:57 PM PST by Buzwardo
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To: atomicpossum
Here he is in cambodia signing it.


74 posted on 02/03/2005 8:16:47 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: DarthDilbert

'he called on those who "challenged" him to see their records.'

I challenged him, so he can see all my records...I have the double white Beatles album,....Mamas and Papas, Hello Mudda, Hullo Fadda, etc...


75 posted on 02/03/2005 9:55:33 PM PST by bitt (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: MeekOneGOP


76 posted on 02/03/2005 10:01:19 PM PST by bitt (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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