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2005: The Splintering of the Democratic Party
A Publius Essay | 3 February 2005 | Publius

Posted on 02/03/2005 9:04:20 AM PST by Publius

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To: Publius
Great essay. Obviously the result of much observation, thought and pleasantly, some good writing.

You are right, the center of the Democratic party cannot hold. It is amazing to see the slow self-destruction of this once national party.

I appreciate all your work that you put into this essay. Do you publish a column or write for any other forum or paper?

Regards, Mr Sol.
201 posted on 01/31/2006 11:26:59 PM PST by Solar Wind
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To: Publius

“Do you want the people who run Amtrak to take out your appendix?”

LOL, that's a winner!


202 posted on 01/31/2006 11:44:43 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Solar Wind

I've never done this professionally, but I've written a lot of Publius Essays over the past 8 years. The better ones are available in the "Links" area of my FReeper home page.


203 posted on 02/01/2006 1:44:18 PM PST by Publius
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To: colorado tanker
I think the split in the Democratic Party in the 60's happened over Vietnam

Remember the "hard hat" demonstration, I think in NYC, and "The Great Silent Majority?" They were about the war.

I would agree that on balance, Vietnam energized the split more thoroughly than race, although the Wallace democrats used the general backlash, fuelled by resentment of the urban riots which occurred intermittently throughout the sixties, including 1968.

204 posted on 02/01/2006 2:11:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Wallace returned to the Democratic Party and later reconciled with Alabama's black citizens. The Senate Democrats who filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act stayed in the Dem party. You didn't see large numbers of southern Dems begin to switch parties until the 70's when the Dims split over Vietnam, becoming isolationist and appeasement, and took a radical pro-abortion stance.

Remember, a higher percentage of Senate and congressional Republicans voted for the 1964 Act than Dems and the Nixon administration was known for zealous enforcement. The Republican Party wasn't a very attractive alternative for Dems who might want to leave the party over desegregation.

205 posted on 02/01/2006 2:18:41 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: Publius

bump


206 posted on 03/06/2006 5:24:18 PM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: Publius

You Know, You Da Man Right ?


207 posted on 03/06/2006 5:25:55 PM PST by cmsgop ( I love Scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch)
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To: cmsgop

Glad you enjoyed it. I hope I called it right.


208 posted on 03/06/2006 5:50:14 PM PST by Publius
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To: Alia; Paulus Invictus
The latest wrinkle -- Hillary's private voter database with Harold Ickes in charge -- indicates that Hillary has found a way to finesse her Howard Dean problem.

Dean’s accession to the party chair pushed the Democrats too far to the left. Soros was underwriting him, Move On and the entire party.

But for a Democrat to win, he (or she) would have to peel off a significant chunk of Republicans and independents, and occupying the Sensible Center is the only way to do it. Otherwise, it’s McGovern time all over again. Hillary has spent her first term setting herself up as a pragmatist and centrist, no doubt receiving a lot of coaching from her husband who was a master of triangulation.

With Dean pushing the party to the Hard Left, it becomes necessary to replace him, preferably with Harold Ickes, but that would open up a fight that would split the party. Hillary doesn’t need to be the heavy in an internal war to purge the Hard Left. They, after all, are the base. What Hillary needs is to control the purse strings. If she has that, then it doesn’t matter who chairs the party.

The coup is her seduction of Soros. If he’s underwriting Hillary’s effort, that means he has abandoned Move On and Dean, its avatar. It means that Hillary’s shadow party will harvest the unions for money while Dean will harvest the Hard Left. But Ickes will have the power while Dean becomes merely a figurehead.

In politics, always follow the money.

209 posted on 03/07/2006 11:30:53 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius
In politics, always follow the money

Bingo. And in re Soros: Double Dittos. Soros has used countries to manuever his own moneyed interests in past. I saw his dealings with MoveOn to be no different -- to manuever the Dem Party. Secret deals and handshakes.

210 posted on 03/08/2006 3:14:15 AM PST by Alia
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To: Publius

I always did see Soro's move to support Move-on as only a blackmail economic tantrum in a tea-cup. Seems to me Hillary has agreed to whatever economic deals Soros wants in order to promote his financial agenda. I know it's something to do with "communications" especially in the mid-east. He was buying up stock in such companies last year like crazy.


211 posted on 03/12/2006 5:05:48 PM PST by Alia (Cheap Trick: "I want you to want me"...)
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To: Alia
There is another part of the Soros agenda. He believes that America's post-9/11 patriotism is a destructive nationalism that is tearing the international order apart.

Read The Bubble of American Supremacy, which Soros wrote for the Atlantic. He would like to bring this country back into harmony with the UN and the EU.

212 posted on 03/12/2006 8:57:55 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius
One is required to be a subscriber to read the full article. However, the opening paragraphs provide the platform upon which I can only imagine Soro's opinings. And the platform runs like this: "Yes, yes, 9-11 was a historical event, but just a twiddling thing, really".

Soro's has been dabbling and manipulating in the European Markets for overlong. Some countries cannot abide the man.

The lefties (Soros included) wish for a "unified", all things equal" world wherein only the moneyed puppet masters behind the world governments run the show. This is Soro's world goal, IMHE.

I get the impression that possibly the only human Soros ever idolized was Henry the VIII.

213 posted on 03/14/2006 3:12:11 AM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
The full article by Soros was published on FR by Yours Truly.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1081391/posts

214 posted on 03/14/2006 11:53:31 AM PST by Publius
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To: Publius

"Yours Truly" is so thoughtful. :)


215 posted on 03/14/2006 3:51:52 PM PST by Alia
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To: Sam the Sham

<Let's not loose sight of the fact that Iraq was a mess and the absence of WMDs led to many people feeling lied to.<

Oooo! What do you call Savin and Mustard Gas?


216 posted on 06/21/2006 7:20:33 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Publius

Nicely done.
t.


217 posted on 06/25/2006 11:19:43 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sauropod

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218 posted on 08/03/2006 2:28:05 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Publius
It will be another twenty years before a new set of issues emerges that permits a true second party to coalesce.

I disagree here.

The one thing I think you left out of the Dem pedigree was its labor roots. But the Dems morphed into a lifestyle party, leaving the labor wing marginalized.

If the blue-dog labor Dems find common ground with the anti-illegal-immigration conservatives, that could be the nucleus of the new party. And the corporatists pubbies and DLC Dems would be inclined to form the other party. Leaving the lifestyle types as an angry minority.

219 posted on 08/03/2006 2:48:50 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Publius
Nicely done.

Barone is right about blacks being the "glue" of the party in terms of the voter base that keeps them competitive. But I think abortion cannot be overlooked. The pro-abortion bunch is genuinely afraid of pro-life people and reflexively votes Democratic. Abortion is the great fault-line in American politics, second only to the Boomers' romanticization of their 1960's opposition to Vietnam. My daughters find it quite amusing to spot the anti-Iraq demonstrators waiving signs at intersections - they all have grey hair!

Both issues could evaporate faster than people think, if the Iraq war is basically turned over to the Iraqi's in the next year and if Roe is overturned. Abortion could disappear as a major issue if Roe is overturned, the issue is returned to the legislatures, and the country discovers, contrary to NARAL, that women aren't being thrown in jail and abortion remains legal in most of the blue states.

220 posted on 08/03/2006 2:49:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Publius

Extremely well thought out and spot on re the RATs. Congrats!


221 posted on 08/03/2006 2:59:01 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Democrats: the biggest cargo cult ever.)
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To: Publius
I clicked and was surprised that you reside in the People's Republic of Washington. How can you stand the local press and constant liberal pressures?

I am also a leider lover and was saddened today to hear of the death of the incomparable Elizabeth Schwartzkopf.

222 posted on 08/03/2006 3:10:19 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Democrats: the biggest cargo cult ever.)
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To: Publius
Thanks for your very thoughtful essay. Here are a couple of respectful disagreements that I have.

To most Americans in the Nineties, Bill Clinton’s behavior was not outside the mainstream.

I believe this assertion is false. I don't believe that in the 1990's most American men received oral sex from interns less than half their age and lied about it under oath. Clinton's behavior was not mainstream.

People did not favor impeachment because 1) Clinton successfully portrayed Republicans as sex-obsessed legalists (a popular charicature to hate) and corrupt to boot; 2) People held Clinton in personal disdain, but believed the lie that this was unconnected to his Presidential performance; 3) Because of these reasons, they saw it as "all about sex" and ignored perjury. All in all, it was a piece of Machiavellian art by the Clinton White House, maybe the greatest piece of political self-defense in American history.

By couching the 1998 election as a referendum on impeachment, Gingrich misread the situation.

I believe this to be a popular historical myth. I was working in politics during the 1998 campaign, and from my vantage point Newt Gingrich tied desperately to make the election about something other than Clinton's lies. His base wanted to hear about nothing other than that. Ergo the base refused to vote. I could be wrong, but that was my read of the 1998 campaign, the worst-run in my lifetime.

223 posted on 08/03/2006 4:22:55 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Publius
At their core, these ideals are not American, but “UNeesian”, to invent a word. To UNeesians, patriotism is a vice. To UNeesians, America doesn’t have the right to lead because its hands are dirty, courtesy of slavery, Vietnam or some other flaw in its past. To UNeesians, America, like Israel, is a source of evil in the world.

I agree completely. Just noticed that this was written in 2005!

224 posted on 08/03/2006 4:25:34 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Paulus Invictus
I didn't hear about Schwartzkopf, but I've been buried in work today, so I'll catch up tonight.

I count among my acquaintances a number of the Hard Left types, but we simply agree to disagree. Classical music is our common denominator. I'm comfortable enough in my beliefs to not worry about what the locals think.

225 posted on 08/03/2006 10:52:26 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Publius

Wow thanks for sending that to me. What a great read! Thank you very much, I really enjoyed your essay.


226 posted on 08/08/2006 8:55:32 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: Publius

I gotta tell you man, that was a damn good analysis that was actually worth reading. It was much better than the garbage pumped out by the recently unemployed journalist from the LA Times and NY Craphole newspapers.

Good Job.


227 posted on 08/08/2006 9:14:08 PM PDT by Porterville (Hispanic Republican American Bush Supporter)
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To: Publius

bumped and bookmarked


228 posted on 08/09/2006 12:24:37 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Publius

current now


229 posted on 08/23/2006 12:14:15 PM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: RetroWarrior

They are displaying a lot of a**holery aren't they.


230 posted on 10/26/2006 8:09:39 PM PDT by oldtimer2 (I have seen THE VILLAGE and I don't want it raising my child)
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To: Publius
TR remains one of the most fascinating enigmas of American politics. In the presidency as the result of an assasination, he was a great man for his hour. I believe that his mediating on business and labor issues was a likely reason that the Prog/Com movement did not gather the radical popularity here as in other places. The what-if's of the 1912 election (with the Fed Reserve, income tax, and WWI on the horizon) are still unanswerable....
231 posted on 11/06/2006 2:25:42 PM PST by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: Amalie
The what-if's of the 1912 election (with the Fed Reserve, income tax, and WWI on the horizon) are still unanswerable...

One part of that is answerable. When World War I broke out in 1914, TR wanted us to get involved on the British side immediately, which was pretty much the Republican Party's position, with Sen. Lodge of Massachusetts leading the charge. As president, TR would not have waited until 1917. (I'm not sure that would have been a good thing.)

232 posted on 11/06/2006 4:48:45 PM PST by Publius (A = A)
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To: Publius

bump for later


233 posted on 06/07/2008 3:08:45 PM PDT by Shermy (Why are Democrats always searching for a fairy tale?)
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