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Boy Punished After Turning in Fake Gun
Kansas City KCTV5 ^ | 02/03/2005 | Staff

Posted on 02/03/2005 11:22:59 AM PST by 2Am4Sure

GLADSTONE, Mo. -- A fifth-grader learned a lesson the hard way, and he said he was trying to do a good deed.

Frasier McCart said he was waiting for the bus when he discovered what looked like a handgun. It was bent open.

The 10-year-old put it in his bag, bent open, and rode the bus to school. He then went straight to the principal's office and turned the gun in.

He got a day of detention for bringing it onto school property.

"I'm a citizen trying to do a good deed," Frasier said. "I'm a Scout who knows that it's wrong to leave something there that might, that could be real and go off and hurt somebody."

The gun turned out to be fake.

His mother was upset about the situation.

"To me, it kind of sent the wrong message to children trying to do the right thing," said Tracy Johnson, his mother.

The school principal said he should have said something before getting onto the bus and never touched the gun.

"We want to make sure that he's safe at all times and that the other children on that bus were safe," said Marla Wasserman, the Oakwood Manor Elementary principal.

School officials chose a light punishment because he was a good kid, but he needed a message about what he did wrong, the principal said.

"Where I think that he could have made a better decision was in not saying anything to other children and causing them concern and worry," Wasserman said.

Frasier said he couldn't help it. He just couldn't keep a secret very long, but he didn't try to use it to scare the other children, and he wasn't asking for their advice. He said he knew to give it to an adult.

He said next time he found something like that, he'd give it to his mother and miss the bus.


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I'm sure you'll want to extend your comments to Marla Wasserman, the principal that committed this assininity, at E-mail mwasserm@nkcsd.k12.mo.us
1 posted on 02/03/2005 11:22:59 AM PST by 2Am4Sure
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To: 2Am4Sure

No good deed goes unpunished.


2 posted on 02/03/2005 11:23:46 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: 2Am4Sure

This is a great opportunity to contact his parents and anyone else within earshot to suggest PRIVATE SCHOOL or HOME SCHOOLING.


3 posted on 02/03/2005 11:25:01 AM PST by FreeKeys (Happy 100th Birthday, Miss Rand!)
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To: 2Am4Sure

The stupidity level among teachers is so great it's beyond measure.


4 posted on 02/03/2005 11:26:24 AM PST by demlosers
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To: 2Am4Sure

This exact thing happened a year or two ago to another child.


5 posted on 02/03/2005 11:28:20 AM PST by moonpie57 (Fred Howell McMurray, Jr...The man on my POW bracelet)
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To: 2Am4Sure

this is absurd.

of course, the results of "zero tolerance" policies often are.


6 posted on 02/03/2005 11:28:48 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

If it had been a condom instead of a gun he would have received an award.


7 posted on 02/03/2005 11:29:30 AM PST by Defiant1
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To: 2Am4Sure

Done.


8 posted on 02/03/2005 11:29:34 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Naked Mole Rats have feelings too. Be nice to them.)
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To: 2Am4Sure

The only problem with not punishing the kid is that another, less honest and more thuggish kid could use the situation as a cover story: "oh yeah, I found this and brought it to school so I could hand it in...." It's a zero tolerance policy for a reason, and all the kid got was detention.


9 posted on 02/03/2005 11:30:53 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: 2Am4Sure
The school principal said he should have said something before getting onto the bus and never touched the gun.

I gotta say...I disagree with the Principal's reponse in giving the kid a dtention but he is right in what he says. The kid should have left the gun alone and told someone, an adult, about it.

That's what is, or should be, drilled into kids from an early age. We've all seen the PSAs regarding this issue. Just because the kid is a Boy Scout means nothing. He should have not picked up the gun. If there is any doubt, treat the gun as if it is real and as if it is always loaded.

10 posted on 02/03/2005 11:31:02 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (You may not think much of the Chinese....but you've got to admit, they've got great acrobats.)
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To: 2Am4Sure
The school principal said he should have said something before getting onto the bus and never touched the gun.

Geez, make this point to the kid, but there is no reason to punish him.

11 posted on 02/03/2005 11:32:36 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I agree.
The kid should have been praised for what he did and also strenly reminded that he should have sought out an adult.
The detention was out of line.


12 posted on 02/03/2005 11:34:15 AM PST by Tacos
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To: Tacos

strenly = sternly


13 posted on 02/03/2005 11:34:46 AM PST by Tacos
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To: 2Am4Sure; FreeKeys

These are the people we trust our kids to.

I wouldn't trust these people to run a convenience store, I wouldn't trust them to mow my lawn, and I don't trust them to educate my kids.

Building a parallel school system, one that may eventually replace the existing one, is job one.


14 posted on 02/03/2005 11:35:49 AM PST by marron
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To: JohnnyZ

So, the message is to leave it there so the less honest and more thuggish kid can use it, rather than turn it in to a responsible adult that prevents the less honest and more thuggish kid from using it, which is why the honest, nice kid did what he did. So let's make sure he never does the right thing again where it concerns his school.


15 posted on 02/03/2005 11:36:20 AM PST by Dewayne
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To: 2Am4Sure

Evil Gun Runner

16 posted on 02/03/2005 11:37:11 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: 2Am4Sure

IMO the kid KNEW it was a fake gun. The Principal didn't!
NOw had the kid whipped it out on the bus or in the halls
of the building, he would have been wrong and needed punishment. Going directly to the Principal's office to
turn it in was the PROPER activity. Another stupid
Administrator getting a high salary for wrong decisions!


17 posted on 02/03/2005 11:37:56 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: 2Am4Sure

There was an incident similar to this in either Pflugerville or Round Rock ISD here in central TX. I wanted to post that article, but it never was in the Austin paper - online version.

A second grader found a real .32 caliber pistol on his way to school. He picked it up and took it to the office before doing anything else. (It had the handle wrapped with duct tape - noted by news reporters.)

He was applauded for his actions. Of course, this school is in a heavy Republican county, not the liberal Travis co.


18 posted on 02/03/2005 11:38:21 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," - Howard Dean 01/29/2005)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Courtesy of the NRA

20 posted on 02/03/2005 11:44:59 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: 2Am4Sure
The principal's statement that the kid never should have touched it is absolutely correct. If he thought it was a real gun, he should have told the bus driver.

STOP! - Don't Touch! - Move Away! - Tell and Adult!

21 posted on 02/03/2005 11:45:11 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (This one time, at band camp...)
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To: 2Am4Sure

So if there are signs posted in a school zone which say "Drug Free Zone", please tell me how the kids get their meds into the school office without getting suspended.


22 posted on 02/03/2005 11:46:30 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: King Prout
of course, the results of "zero tolerance intelligence" policies often are.

Edited for truth.

23 posted on 02/03/2005 11:47:16 AM PST by Ignatz ("Scribe of the Unwritten Law". ( Hey, someone's gotta NOT write this stuff down! ))
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To: Dewayne
So, the message is to leave it there so the less honest and more thuggish kid can use it, rather than turn it in to a responsible adult

No, no one suggested that. The principal said he should inform a responsible adult of the gun before getting on the bus -- perhaps the bus driver, or as the boy said, his mother -- and not touch it. Do you want kids thinking it's okay to pick up guns and carry them around, stick 'em in their bag? Do you think most kids know about gun safety? No, they don't.

24 posted on 02/03/2005 11:47:18 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

The kid should have left the gun alone and told someone, an adult, about it.

That's what is, or should be, drilled into kids from an early age. We've all seen the PSAs regarding this issue. Just because the kid is a Boy Scout means nothing. He should have not picked up the gun. If there is any doubt, treat the gun as if it is real and as if it is always loaded.

Agreed. The Eddie Eagle basic message is: "Stop. Don't touch! Leave the area. Tell an Adult."

Children should use firearms, but only with proper adult supervision.

25 posted on 02/03/2005 11:53:09 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Zero-Intelligence policies strike again.


26 posted on 02/03/2005 11:54:16 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; P.O.E.; cupcakes; Amelia; Diana; ...

27 posted on 02/03/2005 11:54:56 AM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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To: Tacos

Actually, I liked "srenly" - clearly a newly minted term for the tangled mass if nearly invisible fishing line by that trade name.

It is sooo very apropos of the tangled, twisted reasoning (if I may be allowed to abuse the word 'reason') of the principal.

Why, she may very well win a NEA award for her educratic decision based on their agenda. After all, isn't their motto "Agenda Uber Alles"?


28 posted on 02/03/2005 11:55:02 AM PST by GladesGuru
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2Am4Sure
For your comments to be considered valid you would have to assume that guns are inhabited by an evil spirit. A spirit that will give life to objects of metal, or turn the person who touches a gun into a crazed killer.
The kid found a gun, put it into a bag, and gave it to authorities. For that he is punished? It is a no win situation for the child and punishment is teaching him the wrong message.


29 posted on 02/03/2005 11:55:05 AM PST by Exton1
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To: JohnnyZ
"less honest and more thuggish kid could use the situation as a cover story: "oh yeah, I found this and brought it to school so I could hand it in...."

Don't be stupid. He wasn't CAUGHT with the gun, he turned it in at the principals office. If thug kids want to turn their guns in at the principals office, they should be praised too. You are as senseless as this principal is.
30 posted on 02/03/2005 11:55:51 AM PST by monday
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To: 2Am4Sure

No surprise here! The hysteria is everywhere. I have a three year old whose day care has complained to us several times about his making guns with blocks and using his finger as a gun. The very things I'm sure I did when I was that age. Needless to say, I don't say anything to him. It's so ridiculous!


31 posted on 02/03/2005 11:57:39 AM PST by JZelle
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To: King Prout
of course, the results of "zero tolerance" policies often are.

The kid's biggest offense was applying thought, albeit fifth-grade thought, in a "zero tolerance" zone. Who's gonna teach future generations if these hooligans don't conform?

Chills the blood just looking at him.

32 posted on 02/03/2005 11:58:18 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: FreeKeys

If that happened to my son, there is no way I would stay in that school. I would tell them to stuff it in there ear--we are outta here.


33 posted on 02/03/2005 12:02:09 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: beaversmom

oops, "their" ear that is.


34 posted on 02/03/2005 12:02:33 PM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: Exton1
The kid found a gun, put it into a bag, and gave it to authorities....you would have to assume that guns are inhabited by an evil spirit.

According to the article, the gun appeared to be cocked and ready to fire. Suppose it was a real gun and it went off and killed another kid on the bus? Better off believing in evil spirits in that case, I say.

35 posted on 02/03/2005 12:04:20 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (You may not think much of the Chinese....but you've got to admit, they've got great acrobats.)
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To: demlosers

bttt


36 posted on 02/03/2005 12:04:46 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: 2Am4Sure
Dumbest School administration ever.
37 posted on 02/03/2005 12:05:59 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: King Prout

How about 'zero tolerance" against stupidy. How about zero tolerance for punks in the classoom. Also zero tolerance about promoting sex, and tolerance for gays. These are the important things, not.when a kid trying to do the right thing. That scared the kid, and confused him. God help us!


38 posted on 02/03/2005 12:08:23 PM PST by Old anti feminist
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To: 2Am4Sure

Publik Skool phobia towards guns strikes again.

It's been shown time and again that kids who are taught to handle guns safely and responsibly generally turn out to be law-abiding, responsible adults, while kids who are given the image of guns being "forbidden fruit" are much more likely to use guns for crime.


39 posted on 02/03/2005 12:09:46 PM PST by JillValentine
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To: monday
Don't be stupid. He wasn't CAUGHT with the gun, he turned it in at the principals office.

Don't be an idiot. Obviously the hypothetical thug was going to turn in the gun he 'found', but he hadn't had a chance to by the time he was caught....

Why do you think the NRA is wrong to say kids shouldn't pick up and carry guns they find?

40 posted on 02/03/2005 12:10:29 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts; Exton1

It all goes back to the need for kids to be educated about guns. Preferably by the NRA, with parents. Unfortunately that's one NEA agenda item that would never even be whispered about.


41 posted on 02/03/2005 12:11:03 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough (In Iraq, this is called "voting".)
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To: 2Am4Sure



This kind of nonsense really infuriates me.


42 posted on 02/03/2005 12:12:14 PM PST by Malsua
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To: 2Am4Sure
It's hard to believe that the average educator in this country can't use logic to connect two points, but it's true. Our public school system doesn't attract the brightest people. What union system does?
43 posted on 02/03/2005 12:15:23 PM PST by lotusblos
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To: Exton1
The kid found a gun, put it into a bag, and gave it to authorities. For that he is punished?

That isn't the safest, recommended course of action. He should have left the gun alone and told an adult asap. He made a well-intentioned but incorrect choice and got a slap on the wrist (bringing a gun to school is typically punished by suspension, to my understanding). What's the big deal?

44 posted on 02/03/2005 12:16:47 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: 2Am4Sure
And the moral of the story is - never rely on your own judgment about what to do, wait for the authorities to tell you what to do. That's what we're teaching our future doctors, lawyers, scientists, police, leaders... Ensuring that only those who crave the power that comes from authority go into government work.
45 posted on 02/03/2005 12:16:59 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: 2Am4Sure

Zero tolerance = zero brains.


46 posted on 02/03/2005 12:17:10 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Re-elect Rossi in 2005!)
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To: 2Am4Sure
another story:

local6.com
Fla. Fifth-Grader Arrested For Bringing Toy Gun To School POSTED: 7:04 am EST February 3, 2005

HOLLYWOOD, Fla. -- A fifth-grade student was arrested and released to the custody of his mother after he allegedly brought a plastic toy gun with a red tip to school.

Police say the boy was suspended from Driftwood Elementary School for ten days and charged with one misdemeanor count of disrupting school.

Students at the school yesterday told a school resource officer that another student had a gun. Officials found the student and discovered a toy .45-caliber pistol

The student, who police did not identify, was released to his mother.

47 posted on 02/03/2005 12:19:37 PM PST by MRMEAN
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To: JohnnyZ

"Obviously the hypothetical thug was going to turn in the gun he 'found', but he hadn't had a chance to by the time he was caught...."

Obviously that excuse wouldn't fly for people with common sense.

"Why do you think the NRA is wrong to say kids shouldn't pick up and carry guns they find?"

Depends on the kid. This one had the knowledge to keep it cracked open so it wouldn't fire, I don't think he was a danger to himself or others.


48 posted on 02/03/2005 12:22:24 PM PST by monday
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To: monday
Depends on the kid. This one had the knowledge to keep it cracked open so it wouldn't fire, I don't think he was a danger to himself or others.

But not enough knowledge to tell it was not a real gun.

49 posted on 02/03/2005 12:27:26 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: 2Am4Sure
This proves one thing.

Don't trust authority!!!!

50 posted on 02/03/2005 12:29:47 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Republican Party Reptile)
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