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Proposition 200 and Mexico's War on Arizona

Posted on 02/04/2005 8:52:37 PM PST by CHARLITE

By far the most dramatic menace to this nation’s future and safety emanates from the cauldrons of Islamist extremism. But Americans are also in danger of losing their country on another front. A far larger incursion into the American homeland is being carried out via its southern border. Though an ongoing problem for many years, its instigators now apparently believe they are ready to take their attack to the next level.

During a January 28 radio interview, Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez has threatened the State of Arizona with legal action through the international courts in order to overturn Proposition 200, a ballot initiative lawfully passed last fall to curb state expenditures on illegal aliens.

Derbez plans to initially use the “legal capacities” of the United States to achieve his goal. But if that doesn’t work, he will resort to the intervention of “international tribunals.”

Momentarily sidestepping the absurdity of granting any legal capacity to an international organization regarding strictly internal issues, consider the larger picture of what is actually being attempted, as a foreign power now makes threats against an individual American State.

The Constitution, in its original form, was never designed to put the federal government in charge of regulating minute details in the lives of Americans. Basically, it had two purposes, which were to act as an arbiter between the individual states, and to collectively represent those states in the face of foreign challenges, whether diplomatic or military.

Yet the federal leviathan, which grew monstrously beyond its original boundaries, has become an overwhelming burden of bureaucratic entanglements to the citizenry. Meanwhile the Mexican government, a foreign entity, seeks to intimidate and ultimately dictate the policies of an individual American State.

Thus far, it has done so with little or no official backlash from the United States. So just as those in government are increasingly ignoring the Constitutional limitations to their authority, so are legitimate Constitutional responsibilities to protect the people from foreign incursion being abandoned, and American citizens being left defenseless.

Prior to the recent Iraqi elections, it became apparent that foreign insurgents were causing much of the disorder and mayhem plaguing that country. Thus the major thrust of American and Iraqi military action focused on securing that nation’s borders.

Yet when a similar incursion threatens to undermine the security and sovereignty of the United States, this country’s government sees fit to respond with indifference and platitudes.

Of course, Derbez is hardly acting alone. Mexican President Vicente Fox has long rejected the term “illegal alien,” claiming instead that the invaders are “undocumented workers,” and thus displaying a total disregard for American law.

Fox has been unrestrained in his contempt for the very concept of American sovereignty, promoting the concept of “dual citizenship” whereby Mexican immigrants would conceivably be eligible to vote in both countries.

Increasingly, his long-term goal appears to be an effort to transform the Southwestern United States into a Mexican “Sudetenland,” which was the heavily Germanic region of Czechoslovakia that Hitler exploited as an excuse to invade and occupy that country.

Though nobody is suggesting a full-scale invasion by Fox’s armies, he increasingly seeks to dictate and define laws and regulations on this side of the border, so as to maximize his ability to siphon and bleed as much as possible back into his own nation’s economy.

A proper response to such audacity would be to warn Fox that America is just as likely to bend under his diplomatic pressure as it would from the terrorist acts of al Qaeda. Unfortunately, President Bush has already given far too much ground, even embracing the term “undocumented worker,” and advocating amnesty for those who have flouted U.S. law to enter the country.

Such a stance completely ignores the degradation to American society that results from the mass influx of illegals. Among Arizona’s Hispanic population, forty percent supported Proposition 200. Clearly, these citizens realize that they have every bit the vested interest in the future of America as does the rest of its population, and comprehend the threat posed to it by the unrestricted invasion of illegals.

It is altogether an abomination of Constitutional principles that Arizona should be left on its own, fighting to maintain control of its destiny. If Arizona can be isolated and pressured in such a manner, what other state, anywhere in the nation can consider itself safe? Indeed, the situation ominously suggests that a sovereign American nation may no longer exist.

About the Writer: Christopher Adamo is a freelance writer from southeastern Wyoming, where he has been involved in grassroots political activites for several years. He maintains a website at
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; america; arizona; ballotinitiative; derbez; expenditures; foreignminister; illegalaliens; immigration; internationalcourts; islamofascist; legalaction; luisernesto; mexico; prop200; proposition200; southernborder; sovereignty; state; terrorists; unitedstatesofmexico; vulnerability
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To: GaryMontana

Here's a hint --- the Mexican oligarchs hold some strange kind of power over our government. Remember last week how Tony Garza attempted to stand up a little and warn Americans of the dangers of the borders? Well they have him backing down fast --- now explaining that the borders are really safe --- and not only that --- his little mistake is going to cost the American taxpayers some more millions:

$5 million to help fight Mexico crime

Victor Calzada / El Paso Times
U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza Jr., left, Undersecretary for North America of Mexico's Foreign Ministry Geronimo Gutierrez, center, and Chihuahua Gov. Joe Reyes Baeza were among the dignitaries at the 10th Border Liaison Mechanism plenary session Thursday at the Chamizal National Memorial Theater in El Paso.

Tony Garza Jr., the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, came to the border this week bearing gifts -- $5 million for Chihuahua state to beef up its crime-fighting efforts, and $300,000 for universities in El Paso and Juárez to battle tuberculosis.

"The U.S. government is committing a total of $5 million over the next four years for a range of cooperative programs in Chihuahua to advance justice reform and victims' assistance," he said. "These initiatives will strengthen cooperation between the U.S. and Mexico and help improve capacity to investigate and prosecute these and other crimes."

Garza also touched on the homicides of hundreds of Juárez women in recent years. ....

Garza recently angered Mexican President Vicente Fox and Juárez business and political leaders after the U.S. State Department issued an announcement warning Americans about the safety risks of traveling across the border because of a rash of violence in Mexican border cities attributed to dueling drug cartels. ....

Garza also made headlines in Mexico after the U.S. confirmation that he plans to marry Mexico's richest woman, whose family is one of the owners of Grupo Modelo, a consortium worth about $1.5 billion that makes Corona and Negra Modelo beers. The news, made public a few days ago, was the talk of the border: LaPolaka.Com, a Mexican media outlet, titled its story on the new power couple "The Envy of Latin Lovers."

Garza said his engagement to María A. Aramburuzabala, whose company also holds a stake in the Televisa network, does not pose a conflict of interest for the U.S. government. "There are guidelines for these things, and for financial disclosures," he said.

41 posted on 02/04/2005 10:21:07 PM PST by FITZ
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To: RetroWarrior

" I was just pointing out your fallacy in blaming Former President Bush for NAFTA!"

I suggest you read the posted article I mentioned in an earlier post. IT WAS GHW BUSH THAT PUSHED NAFTA. Had Clinton vetoed NAFTA congress would have overridden his veto.

42 posted on 02/04/2005 10:24:21 PM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: RetroWarrior

Try living with them. That's Sauza. His litter-mate Ornito is attmepting to become the biggest, meanest Siamese who ever lived. I have the scars to prove it. I have a 67 pound pit bull and a 107 pound sheperd whose favorite pursuits are keeping Ornito's plans for world domination in check.

43 posted on 02/04/2005 10:25:07 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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Tony Garza Jr has his marching orders from Bush. That's the reason he backed down.

44 posted on 02/04/2005 10:26:27 PM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: politicalwit

It should disturb us that the former Bush and Carlos Salinas de Gortari ---- the drug-king-pin Mexican president were who rammed this NAFTA bill through. They knew all along it would destroy the majority of Mexicans --- and bankrupt the farmers of Mexico. There has to be some kind of big pay-off --- or extortion going on.

Many Americans don't know what the Salinas de Gortari family is about --- Raul and Carlos killed a servant girl --- of course the investigation "proved" it was just an accident, Raul is in prison still for killing their brother-in-law, Enrique just was found in a posh Mexican neighborhood suffocated with a plastic bag over his head. Why would the Bushes even associate with such types?

45 posted on 02/04/2005 10:30:32 PM PST by FITZ
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To: politicalwit
You can blame Bush all you want, but since we don't have Kings, I will not blame one person for what Two President (since you insist on including Bush) and Congress implemented. But it's all Bush's fault, right?

It's late and I'm going to bed. If you want to argue further, I'll be back on line tomorrow. Have a good night.
46 posted on 02/04/2005 10:30:34 PM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: politicalwit

True --- he couldn't just grab millions of American tax dollars on his own. And the girlfriend isn't about to let go of her billions to fight crime in Mexico.

47 posted on 02/04/2005 10:31:49 PM PST by FITZ
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Clinton, Bush, and the CIA, perhaps?

48 posted on 02/04/2005 10:34:27 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: RetroWarrior

Doesn't the president have fast track authority on trade?

49 posted on 02/04/2005 10:35:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: RetroWarrior

Thursday, 1 August, 2002, 21:23 GMT 22:23 UK

The US Senate has voted to grant President George W Bush full trade negotiating powers.

The result was seen as a long-awaited victory for the White House, which has been seeking such powers for the President since he was elected in November 2000.

50 posted on 02/04/2005 10:38:23 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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Tony should be resigning quick, or we'll be facing the ultimate "no vaseline" political deal.

51 posted on 02/04/2005 10:38:36 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed terrorist vigilante cucaracha!)
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To: bayourod
Bush won, get over it.

Do you realize that you're preaching to the choir?

52 posted on 02/04/2005 10:40:46 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Yes he should. It's unbelievable we're throwing more money to these clowns --- this is a good article showing how inept they've been --- but much more than inept --- there is a reason the Mexican government is standing in the way of the murders of women being solved. And they're all on the payroll of the narco-cartels.

Juárez deaths
Still too little progress in solving murders

This is not progress, although it was a third so-called progress report.

Mexico's special prosecutor, Maria Lopez Urbina, has been assigned to assist Chihuahua state authorities with solving murders of hundreds of women in Juárez.

Authorities say more than 400 girls and women have been killed in the past 12 years.

At a press conference in Juárez this week, Lopez Urbina provoked disappointment and anger from about 20 victims' mothers. The gist of her report was that one public official has been added to the list of 143 local law enforcement officers already under investigation for mishandling the cases.

The disappointment and anger was pointed at the wrong person. Lopez Urbina cannot investigate or prosecute, only assist those who can. In Mexico, the individual states, not the federal government, handle murder cases.

Here's an example: Lopez has been assisting in cases, including those of eight women whose badly decomposed remains had been dumped in an empty lot in 2001.

So far not much has happened -- except ongoing murders. It's obvious there has been no breakthrough in the cases. But there has been an eyebrow-raising chronology, an example being the case of the eight bodies dumped:

In October, Victor Garcia was sentenced to 50 years in prison for the eight slayings. He claimed he was tortured into making a confession.

His co-defendant, Gustavo Gonzalez Meza, died in 2003 while in police custody.

Gonzalez's lawyer had been shot to death in 2002. Police called his death "a case of mistaken identity."
Another example:

In Lopez Urbina's two earlier reports, she said it was determined criminal or civil charges should be filed against 41 of the then-143 officials under investigation. So she's officially "assisting" people she thinks ought to be under investigation themselves.

Those people included: Investigators, forensic experts and police officers. They allegedly lost evidence, contaminated crime scenes and were sluggish in taking actions to protect endangered women.

So far "officials" have allegedly issued arrest warrants for five of those officials, according to state officials.

No arrests of the officials have been made by the officials thus far.
What was Mexican President Vicente Fox thinking when he named Lopez Urbina to this post -- basically a whipping post.

It the same thing all over. Too many dead women. Too many so-called dead ends.

53 posted on 02/04/2005 10:51:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: konaice

What it will do is cost the party in 2006 and 2008

54 posted on 02/04/2005 11:05:55 PM PST by tophat9000 (We didnít rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: FITZ; bayourod

I believe I once saw bayourod post that he/she? is mexican American.

55 posted on 02/04/2005 11:08:32 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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They knew all along it would destroy the majority of Mexicans --- and bankrupt the farmers of Mexico. There has to be some kind of big pay-off"

Sure caused a h*ll of a lot of mexicans to decide to come to the U.S.

56 posted on 02/04/2005 11:13:14 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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Wake up Mr. Bush...this issue cannot be kept under raps much longer...stand up and be counted...what is the matter with you???

57 posted on 02/04/2005 11:44:18 PM PST by Route101
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Czechoslovakia 1938.

58 posted on 02/05/2005 12:00:18 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: GeronL
Re read the article:

"Derbez plans to initially use the “legal capacities” of the United States to achieve his goal.

59 posted on 02/05/2005 12:15:17 AM PST by konaice
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To: Lloyd227
AZ being sued in an international court of jurisdiction.

There are no international courts of jusisdiction over a state of the United States.

There are very few international courts that the US even acknowledges (regardless of what the Democrats have taught you to believe). And none of these have jurisdiction over State matters.

60 posted on 02/05/2005 12:18:05 AM PST by konaice
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