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House Panel Rejects Photo-Red Enforcement, Backs Helmet Repeal
Assosiated Press ^ | 2-5-05 | Larry O'Dell

Posted on 02/05/2005 5:46:58 AM PST by flair2000

(AP) - Legislators' libertarian leanings prevailed over pleas for highway safety Friday when a House of Delegates committee dealt with bills governing motorcyclists and red light scofflaws in Virginia.

The Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee rejected several bills to expand or continue local pilot programs that use cameras to catch red light runners. The panel also endorsed legislation allowing motorcyclists 21 and over to ride without a helmet.

The panel voted 15-6 to kill Del. Michelle McQuigg's bill expanding so-called "photo-red" monitoring systems statewide. Six northern Virginia localities and Virginia Beach have pilot programs that are scheduled to end July 1.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: civilliberites; helmets; libertarians; motorcycles; redlight; redlightcameras; vageneralassembly
They just started up one of these cameras on my block in Va. Beach just last week. My wife and I laughed as we passed by the city crews digging up the intersection and installing the camera posts, because it has been known for a couple of months that they were likely to get yanked in the current legislative session.

I have a big problem with being convicted and sentenced for a crime with no proof that I was even at the scene of the crime. City leaders come out with the "it's all for the common good" argument, when all they are worried about is the extra $$$ generated that they can share with their shady developer friends.

1 posted on 02/05/2005 5:46:58 AM PST by flair2000
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To: flair2000

Why does the article say that "public safety suffered" a loss? I haven't seen a camera yet that stopped a speeding car or one that ran a red light. The stories about these things taking pictures of cars "clearing the intersection" on a left turn, and departments shortening yellows to make more money are legion.


2 posted on 02/05/2005 5:50:49 AM PST by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: flair2000
My liberty interests in the Commonwealth demand that the folks who operate the public roads system do everything they can to make them safe.

Redlight running dope dealers and Democrats from the District of Columbia and Maryland make our roads particularly unsafe in Fairfax County.

The only way Morgan Griffith, chairman of that committee, could have arrived at the conclusion that we have to let those people run hoga$$ed wild thorugh our streets without penalty would be if he sold out to the union bosses and liberal pressure groups like NARAL, NEA, and NOW.

May he rot in Hell! And the same for all his liberalcompsymp running dog lackeys and syncophants.

3 posted on 02/05/2005 5:55:30 AM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: flair2000

The guvmint is only there to hep you.


4 posted on 02/05/2005 6:01:57 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Piquaboy

Yes, with "public roads". Maybe it's time to abolish such things eh?


5 posted on 02/05/2005 6:07:44 AM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: muawiyah
do everything they can to make them safe.

everything

safe

Big words for such a short thought process.

6 posted on 02/05/2005 6:19:24 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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7 posted on 02/05/2005 6:57:59 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: flair2000

Michele B. McQuigg is deeply saddened.

Just another useless RINO getting a clue!


8 posted on 02/05/2005 7:22:25 AM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: brianl703
You got this backward. Griffin is the RINO. The guy sold out to the Maryland and DC dope dealers on this issue. They profit from being able to run redlights around here without detection.

He needs to be investigated, prosecuted, convicted and sent to solitary confinement.

9 posted on 02/05/2005 7:35:16 AM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: muawiyah

I have no idea about Griffin, but I have discussed red-light cameras with McQuigg.

She claims that red-light runners are "impatient". Ok, but why are they impatient? Perhaps, because of our terrible traffic congestion? And how did our traffic congestion get that terrible? It has something to do with the development policies that the Prince William County Board of Supervisors chose.

And who sat on the PWC Board of Supervisors? One Michele McQuigg. Even today, her solution to traffic problems is to add another traffic light. In places where they're NOT needed, except so someone can shave .5 mile of a trip going down the other way on a lightly-used side street.

As to your statement about dope dealers from DC and Maryland, I'm not sure where you're talking about, but here, the few times I've witnessed red-light running it's always been a vehicle with Virginia tags.

I also don't understand why a dope dealer would want to run red lights? If nothing else, that sort of driving attracts the attention you DON'T want when you have contraband in your vehicle.


10 posted on 02/05/2005 10:32:49 AM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: brianl703
You don't? Guess that comes from living in PW county rather than in the city just up the road from you.

BTW, the problem with traffic in PW county is the sad state of the drivers. You can see it in their eyes when they first start out in the morning ~ up too late, not enough sleep, a poor attitude toward paying enough taxes for the bonding to build the highways you all think you need. It's definitely a bunch of slackers down there just waiting for somebody else to pay their bills for them.

Our buddy Griffin who heads that committee just sold out the people of Virginia. Many will die on the public roads as a consequence of his uninformed attitude. We can only hope he's among the first eh?!

11 posted on 02/05/2005 2:38:05 PM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: muawiyah

"It's definitely a bunch of slackers down there just waiting for somebody else to pay their bills for them."

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. The property tax rate where I live is among the highest in the region, if not the state

By the way, how come your location says "Indiana"? That's a long way from Virginia..


12 posted on 02/06/2005 1:01:32 AM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: muawiyah

By the way, if you think red light cameras will fix Fairfax County's problems, you're just out there.


13 posted on 02/06/2005 1:02:36 AM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: muawiyah

"You can see it in their eyes when they first start out in the morning"

That I wouldn't know about. You see, I'm busy paying attention to the road and the vehicles around me, not other driver's eyes.


14 posted on 02/06/2005 1:04:58 AM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: flair2000

While in the Air Force, we used to run what was called "selective enforcement", that is, traffic radar. The entire difference back then ('80's) was you had to use your judgement, training and experience to first estimate that the operator was in fact speeding an how fast they were traveling. THEN you confirmed your estimate with the RADAR.

The RADAR was and still should be a tool to confirm or deny an officer's observations.


15 posted on 02/06/2005 4:33:28 AM PST by X-USAF
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To: brianl703
Here in Springfield we all go out to the overpass carrying the Spfld.Bps. across I-95 and watch the PW drivers coming North.

What a sight.

It's much easier to just catch the subway than to try to find a parking space in downtown DC.

16 posted on 02/06/2005 5:13:05 AM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: X-USAF
You were discussing speeding, right? This was a "red-light runner" thread ~ not "speeding".

Now, your proposal of having radar confirm and having an officer on the scene to identify the miscreant, around here that would involve putting an armed officer of the law on every street corner ~ kind of like Spain under Franco or Beijing under Mao.

You sure you think that's a good idea?

Doesn't sound like an extension of liberty at all.

17 posted on 02/06/2005 5:15:32 AM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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18 posted on 02/06/2005 5:56:17 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: muawiyah
My liberty interests in the Commonwealth demand that the folks who operate the public roads system do everything they can to make them safe.

HMMMM thats odd most people that get theses cams in dont say anything at all about making the streets safer

Mayor says traffic cameras needed for revenue

19 posted on 02/06/2005 6:05:43 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: muawiyah

"Here in Springfield we all go out to the overpass carrying the Spfld.Bps. across I-95 and watch the PW drivers coming North."

You can spot a 2x2" sticker on the windshield and, from that distance, accurately identify what county it is from?

With such keen eyesight, I'm surprised you have such trouble identifying motorcycles in the vicinity of your vehicle.

"It's much easier to just catch the subway than to try to find a parking space in downtown DC."

You couldn't pay me to drive in that place. There's more reasons to use the subway than just lack of parking downtown.

By the way, since you mentioned taxation in one of your posts..DC gets back $3 for every $1 of federal gas tax they collect.

Virgina gets back 95 cents for every $1 of federal gas tax they collect.


20 posted on 02/06/2005 6:37:57 AM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: flair2000
Our local paper has been making a full court press to get red light cameras approved in Alabama. There is a serious problem with folks running red light, but I don’t think cameras are the answer.

Check the bleeding heart language in this story: Wreck injures doctor, practice

21 posted on 02/06/2005 6:42:34 AM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: muawiyah
My liberty interests in the Commonwealth demand that the folks who operate the public roads system do everything they can to make them safe.

Then why stop at cameras. How about rubber bumpers on the sides of the road. Perhaps a grooved slot for our cars to run in. Too much traffic? Road use rationing! Unsafe drivers? How about a police ride along --yeah a cop in your back seat ensuring safety. Yes. Yes! It is all for the CHILDREN!

22 posted on 02/06/2005 6:47:14 AM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: muawiyah
Here in Springfield we all go out to the overpass carrying the Spfld.Bps. across I-95 and watch the PW drivers coming North.

Whoever "we" is--you need to get a life. You are losing your limited credibility with each frantic post.

23 posted on 02/06/2005 6:51:09 AM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: muawiyah

Yeah, I kinda did get off subject didn't I? Nonetheless, the principle is the same; a police officer should be present to observe and report. At some point immediate to the alleged infraction there needs to be human intervention. Perhaps someone who ran the light was transporting an injured person for medical care and they ran the light in a prudent, safe manner.


24 posted on 02/06/2005 9:18:45 AM PST by X-USAF
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To: X-USAF
Just going back to review this thread to see if there was more discussion.

Looks like another thread supplanted it.

Still, you haven't addressed the question of how it is that liberty is extended by putting an armed cop on every street corner.

No doubt 'tis a mystery, eh?!

25 posted on 03/17/2005 9:49:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: brianl703

BTW, it's not the 2X2 sticker we check out to tell if it's a PW driver, or not ~ rather we look to see if you still have your left index finger stuck in your nose!


26 posted on 03/17/2005 9:50:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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