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Was JonBenet Murder an AIM Signature Crime?
Vanity | February 5, 2005 | Vanity

Posted on 02/05/2005 8:41:49 AM PST by Snapple

For some historical background link to

Don't blow me off too fast. I am pretty up to speed on my radical (alleged) Indian groups and their activities.

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To: Ditter

They had a party but it was a few days before the murder. They went to friends the night she was killed.

141 posted on 02/05/2005 1:28:41 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Cicero

Look, I think the killer was mainly motivated by his mental illness--not his radical affiiliations.

But he needed some sort of ideological justification for his sick perversions.

He is someone who cannot accept that he is a violent killer, so he gives himself a veneer of "respectability" because of his radical politics.

The signatures make his crime, in his mind anyway, justifiable as an act against the government, FBI, police and John Ramsey.

The kind of people who belong to AIM like to hate others.They are into violence. A lot of the AIM people were into drugs.

The ideology makes this murder OK, heroic even.

By leaving the signatures --the attack on John Ramsey's most precious possession, the SBTC, and possibly the cowboy boots, he is validating that this is a political act. Of course it isn't.

Then look at how Peltier's lawyer Lee Hill tried to manipulate the evidence and be close to the investigation afterwards. He was a source of all kinds of conspiracy theories. He subsequently was arrested twice and now disappeared.

He even had little filed knives which I think are to open locks.

142 posted on 02/05/2005 1:43:57 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Motherbear

I don't 'know' anything about the son. I can only guess that he might feel a good bit of jealousy toward Jon Bennet. I could be completely wrong.

143 posted on 02/05/2005 1:45:46 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SouthernFreebird

Haven't ruled out her wackjob mommy yet!

144 posted on 02/05/2005 1:46:52 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Snapple
Extremely interesting post.

I looked up the JonBenet ransom note. In light of the current times, it takes on a whole new meaning. I highlighted one sentence and one word.


Mr. Ramsey,

Listen Carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your bussiness but not the country that it serves. At this time, we have your daughter in our posession. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier pickup of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us, but be warned we are familiar with Law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back. You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good southern common sense of yours. It is up to you now John!




One word jumped out at me this time: beheaded. Islamo-fascist ties?

Transcript from the ransom note and analysis.

145 posted on 02/05/2005 1:50:22 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Wormwood

Look, this is not some joke. This kind of post is reallly childish.

146 posted on 02/05/2005 1:54:20 PM PST by Snapple
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To: SouthernFreebird

They will have to live with their guilt. Money got them off. No lie dectector tests, The "note", they will never live it down, as O.J. Theories won't do it. They accidently killed her and together had an elabortat scheme to cover it up. Money spoke louder than truth.

147 posted on 02/05/2005 2:01:13 PM PST by Old anti feminist
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To: Snapple

why dontcha publish a book, and we promise to read it.

148 posted on 02/05/2005 2:04:08 PM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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To: Houmatt

The DNA tests were done in Denver.,1299,DRMN_21_3518659,00.html

Boulder doesn't handle DNA tests. And the DNA does not implicate her family. There is supposedly male DNA involved.

149 posted on 02/05/2005 2:04:45 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Cicero

Churchill has a very big connection with the Denver- Boulder AIM. Nothing covert at all.

Other AIM groups don't like him.

150 posted on 02/05/2005 2:06:46 PM PST by Snapple
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To: ken21

I think the investigators should do their jobs. I just think this is a possible way to look at the evidence.

151 posted on 02/05/2005 2:09:21 PM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

i thought the ramsey case was supposed by a satanic crime.

years after the murder, and the ramseys had left boulder, a woman emerged in san luis obispo, ca who claimed that she had been raped by fleet white sr. i think this was reported in the los angeles times.

fleet white jr. was a close friend of the ramseys.

she said that fleet white sr. in california was a member of a satanic cult. she was backed up by her therapist.

and then later a spokesperson for the san luis obispo police department said that this woman was crazy.

152 posted on 02/05/2005 2:11:37 PM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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To: Snapple

and the symbolism is:

fleet white = flee white = black = satanic.

153 posted on 02/05/2005 2:12:33 PM PST by ken21 (most news today is either stupid or evil.)
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To: Snapple
Burroughs is dead now, but he loved weapons. He had a real armoury. It is not me that is crazy--it is them. And they are REALLY CRAZY.

Burroughs performed as Hassan Sabbah? Yes, he really was crazy. I saw him once at a book signing in North Beach (SanFran) at City Lights, the bookstore founded by Ferlinghetti, another far-out far-left radical whose best buddy Alan Ginsburg was a big supporter (founding member?)of NAMBLA, North American Man-Boy Love Association. So kiddie porn was just a step away,if that, from Burroughs...and I've often wondered whether some kid porn creep murdered JonBenet.

Burroughs was extremely bizarre, almost demonic, but the North Beach crowd practically genuflected before him.

So, yes, this group is REALLY CRAZY and also prone to dramatic metaphore.

154 posted on 02/05/2005 2:15:03 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Hmm didn't John Ramsey have some kind of connection to the Philipines?

155 posted on 02/05/2005 2:21:09 PM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: Houmatt
"You want to know who killed JonBenet? It was not some domestic terror group. IT WAS HER PARENTS."

Oh good grief! You actually believe that? I guess you must read the National Enquirer. I would sooner believe that nutty AIM theory.
156 posted on 02/05/2005 2:47:50 PM PST by Kirkwood (Liberals gave the world "Rock the Vote." George W Bush gave the world "Iraq: The vote!")
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To: Snapple
"Hill and his minions propagandized that the FBI and Boulder authorities were protecting a powerful ring of pedophiles. This is the latest in radical propaganda and radical Indian propaganda--that the US government is behind powerful pedophile organizations."

"...the killer was mainly motivated by his mental illness--not his radical affiiliations. But he needed some sort of ideological justification for his sick perversions. ... The ideology makes his murder ok, heroic even."

All right, let's put these two points of yours together. Frankly, this drew my interest most because it is very true that sick people who cannot accept that they are sick will adopt ideological reasons for their crimes. You say the ideological goal is to discredit the government, the FBI, local law enforcement, etc., and to stir up animosity between Indians and Whites. You say one of the ways they try to discredit the government is to claim that the government is somehow tied to a powerful ring of pedophiles. I think in one post you said they accuse government law enforcement agencies themselves of being made up of pedophiles. Didn't You? Not just protecting them but acting as pedophiles themselves. Another thing sick people do is project their sick ways onto others. Could they have chosen to brand the government as pedophiles because that is what THEY are? And I mean more than just a handful of people who are using AIM ideology to justify their crimes. Yes, them, but many, many more who are involved with AIM, whether directly involved or indirectly through adopting their ideology.

I won't dismiss your thoughts out of hand, but my thinking about sick people involved is this: if a lot of these AIM-connected people might, and I stress might, because I have no actual evidence, be pedophiles, I believe that alone would draw them to the Ramsey case even if none of them were the actual murderers. Jon Benet poor child had to have incited a lot of sick interest from such people both before and after her murder, and especially after with all of the publicity and photos of her and speculation about who killed her and why. They might even pretend to themselves that they did it, as a way to fantasize themselves into the story. They might go so far as to involve themselves with the case, telling themselves they were doing it to discredit the government but in reality they were drawn to it like moths to a flame. Perhaps JonBenet became a type of cult High Priestess to this cult of pedophiles.

As I said, though, I don't automatically discount your thinking that one or more of them was involved in the actual murder. I just want to consider tangential possibilities.

157 posted on 02/05/2005 2:52:20 PM PST by txrangerette
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To: Snapple

"He carries guns, bags of knives and little thin knives that I think are burglar knives. They have a special name."

This proves your theory to me. NOT

158 posted on 02/05/2005 2:56:45 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (So I talk to myself, at least I am talking to a mind that is my equal)
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To: Houmatt
Then how do you explain the ransom note?

I know one possible explanation. It is far-fetched, but nothing in this saga makes sense, so here goes:

Patsy enters Jon-Benet in pageants, weekend after weekend. There is also a pedophile that attends these pageants, but perhaps has a "cover" (maybe he is a photographer or some such thing), so that people don't get suspicious of him.

Patsy and the pedophile, since they frequent the same pageants every weekend, get to know one another. He wants Jon-Benet, but develops a very tight friendship with Patsy just to get close to the child. In fact, he and Patsy start to have an affair. He is aware of everything going on in the house socially due to his relationship with Patsy.

Then, he sees his opportunity -- what he has wanted all along -- a chance to get the child.

So, he does. And Patsy discovers what has happended, probably even while the guy is still there. She writes the note not to protect him, but to protect herself. If it is discovered how the pedophile got access to Jon-Benet, Patsy is toast. Not only is her daughter dead, but when her husband learns of her affair and how it lead to the death, her lifestyle is gone.

Yeah, I know it is far-fetched, but there are possible scenarios that would explain why she might write the letter even though she or John didn't kill Jon-Benet.

159 posted on 02/05/2005 3:49:02 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: ken21

This lady's lawyer was Lee Hill. Her therapist was named Bienkowski. She may have had some previous contact with Lee Hill when he lived in California.

The lady often had made allegations that she was being abused by some ring and was still being abused. The California police didn't find her credible. She claimed the abuse was still going on, but couldn't seem to prove anything.

Lee Hill brought her to Boulder and "hid" her with AIM people from these supposed pedophiles that were after her.
If she is in such danger, why is he telling all this to the media???? Why not just be quiet? Why grandstand about how AIM is protecting this "victim" when the FBI won't??

When the police questioned her in Boulder, they didn't find her credible. Lee Hill depicted this lack of evidence as proof that the law enforcement were protecting the pedophiles. No evidence was seen as "proof" of a government conspiracy.

The therapist Bienkowski was real into recovered memories.
I believe this happens, but this lady claimed she was still being aboused by people who abused her when she was little. Yet there was no evidence.

Lee Hill is a smart guy. He could see that this lady was not telling the truth.

HE also blamed the FBI for not protecting her, but this is not the FBI's job. She didn't need protection from this phantom pedophile gang.

Bienkowski may have known Hill in California, but I don't know this for sure. He did work briefly in a county prosecutor's office.

Why do I know all this--Lee Hill told a lot of it in an interview he gave to Westworld Magazine.

Lee Hill is full of it.

160 posted on 02/05/2005 4:10:12 PM PST by Snapple
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