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Was JonBenet Murder an AIM Signature Crime?
Vanity | February 5, 2005 | Vanity

Posted on 02/05/2005 8:41:49 AM PST by Snapple

For some historical background link to

Don't blow me off too fast. I am pretty up to speed on my radical (alleged) Indian groups and their activities.

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To: Snapple; Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel

Ping to an interesting report.

61 posted on 02/05/2005 9:43:44 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Ditter
The one thing I am sure of is that it wasn't Patsy.

Then how do you explain the ransom note?

62 posted on 02/05/2005 9:45:27 AM PST by Houmatt (America's own Holocaust: Abortion.)
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To: Verginius Rufus; Captain Jack Aubrey; theDentist
American Independent Masons
63 posted on 02/05/2005 9:51:16 AM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: Snapple

Some believe Hassan Sabbah was a hero and some believe he was a thief and killer! And the word ASSASSIN came from the persian word of HASHASHIN.

Hassan Sabbah used to live in caves near the city of Qazvin (200 miles west of Tehran)

64 posted on 02/05/2005 9:55:19 AM PST by Khashayar (We are the champions, No time to lose us!)
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To: Snapple

Her brother killed her, and the parents,who did not want to lose both of their kids, covered it up and obstructed justice.

How do YOU explain the parent's bizarre interference with the investigation?

65 posted on 02/05/2005 9:55:29 AM PST by TaxRelief (Support the Troops Rally, Fayetteville, NC -- March 19, 2005)
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To: Houmatt

When a child is murdered in a home, usually it is the parent. These people usually are troubled and poor. They are drug users or alchholics. And they leave evidence all over the place so prosecuting them is a no-brainer.

I think the ransom note showed hatred to the police, FBI and John Ramsey--they even call him John in the body of the letter. They say they are a small foreign faction with knowledge about police tactics and police serveilance.

Here is some background about the Osage Murders of the 1920s. The FBI file on this is--I think--where AIM got a lot of their ideas about the lies they told at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. They alleged that the FBI was refusing to investigate "suspicious deaths" but for a long time never said who had supposedly died suspiciously. The FBI did an investigation and explained these deaths. See

Here is some background:

In the 1920s, a man named Hale hired people to murder rich Osage Indians in Oklahoma for their oil well head rights and for their insurance money. More than 20 Indians died, but a source critical of the FBI (Dennis McAuliffe) claims it was more. I think in the FBI documents, the Indians told the FBI about 20, but it is a long and compicated file.
Hale had a nephew who was married to an Indian girl from a large wealthy family with many oil heads and he controlled this nephew.

Hale hired a bootlegger and all around criminal named John Ramsey to actually do some of these murders for money. Indians were shot, blown up and poisoned. When the home of a white man with an Indian wife was blown up (he was trying to alert the authorities I think) white people really noticed that someone was murdering Indians and that it wasn't just gun accidents, suicides and alchohol poisoning.

The Osage leaders hired a lawyer who got the FBI involved and have publically enrolled their thanks to the FBI in the history of their tribe for a job well done.

All of this can be read in FBI files and in a book by Lawrence Hogan called "The Osage Indian Murders." Hogan was an FBI agent and a US Congressman.

The Indian killer John Ramsey was realeased about 20 some years after these murders from a life sentence. I would have hoped he would have been executed, but the FBI went to court in his case 3-4 times, so don't blame the FBI. There are over 3000 pages in the FBI files that show what the FBI accomplished at a time when they were not very strong. They got involved when the local officials couldn't/wouldn't deal with the killings. The FBI went underground and posed as cowboys, medicine men, and insurance salesmen to talk to Indians who would not have talked otherwise.

Some white people who tried to give Washington information were blown up or killed in other ways, too. One, travelling to Washington to talk to the FBI was thrown off the train. So I can see why the Indians were so scared and why this was called the "Time of Terror."

Now why is this important? It is important because the AIM extremists are obviously intimately familiar with this case and (and thus the name John Ramsey) since the lies they spread about the supposed uninvestigated deaths at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation--also called the "Time of Terror" like the Osage "Time of Terror"-- are based on this earlier story of the real murders at Osage.

So why is this important?

AIM propaganda was that AIM activists were being murdered at Pine Ridge. AIM blamed the FBI and Indian leaders and policemen whom AIM claimed were FBI stooges. This myth was spread to discredit the FBI which investigates serious crimes on Indian reservations.

When the two young FBI agents were gunned down by the Indian criminal Leonard Peltier and his cohorts, AIM sent some guy with a hood on his face to talk to a writer named Matthiessen. This guy "confessed" to the writer that he killed Peltier. The writer Matthiessen put it in his book. He should have called the FBI if someone was confessing murder of FBI agents to him. This person came to be known as "Mr. X."

There are allegations that this Mr. X was a person who had the last name of Hill. It may have been Harry David Hill. I also read that this professor Ward Churchill was one of the people who orchestrated this Mr. X hoax. That is, he may have orchestrated a fabricated witness who confessed to a murder.

So the main AIM goals and tactics that I see are:

1. the goal of discrediting law enforcement--both the police and the FBI, not to make LE better, but to make Indian people unwilling to tell the FBI about crimes. This would have suited Peltier and his criminal gang who were burglars and killers. It may have also suited white leftists who wanted to discredit the FBI. They don't want the FBI to be better, they want to ruin it so that there is no confidence in the law and the government to protect people.

2. The use of a fake witness to discredit the FBI and the courts.

3. Spreading a conspiracy theory that the FBI and police are protecting a criminal conspiracy.

Now, pan to Boulder Colorado. This is the home of AIM activists and political radicals such as Lee Hill and Ward Churchill who hate the FBI and make up lies about it.

These radicals aren't trying to help Indians get their rights and improve their education and standard of living, which I would applaud. Some may think that is what they are doing, of course. And I do not exclude that the goals of the leftists and the Indian activist may at times diverge. This would account for the splits in the movement.

Lee Hill has claimed in the media that the FBI hates Peltier because Peltier is a leader of the Indian people. Nonsense. The FBI hates Peltier because he killed two of their agents and wants to get out of jail.

Lee Hill also told the media that retired CIA guys are dying of suspicious suicides. The paper quoted others to make the case that the CIA is killing agents who know something dirty about the CIA. There is no proof of this except that one CIA guy who had criminal charges against him committed suicide.

So now in Boulder it is rumored that there are suicides just like Pine Ridge Indians were told.

Also, Lee Hill brings forth a witness, Nancy Krebs, who has her analogy in the fake witness Mr. X at Pine Ridge. Lee Hill is both their lawyers. Go figure.

Lee Hill lets Nancy Krebs tells the media (while supposedly in hiding for her safety in an AIM "safe" house) that there is a gang of dangerous pedophiles in Boulder.

The fact that the cops and the FBI think this woman is a fabricator and that she has a reputation in California for the same thing is touted as "proof" that the FBI and the police are covering it up. Some amazing articles are published on the Internet that claim that whole agencies of the government--FBI, CIA, Army--are really giant pedophile rings. I believe this orchestrated media campaign against the government is the real conspiracy.

Lee Hill [see "Accidental Jurist"] even claims that someone is trying to kill him. He claims now he has neurological problems as a result of a car accident and that it may not have been an accident.

Lee Hill had a brief work experience in a California detective agency called VERLOC. One of his brief partners was a CIA official who retired from the CIA after a long career. The CIA official's company now has a different name. Lee Hill could have learned a lot of tricks from the CIA guy before the relationship soured.

The head of a JonBenet Ramsey forum claims that Lee Hill did not name that detective agency VERLOC. I don't know the truth, but it does demonstrate that Lee Hill is a source for Ramsey website information. This is a very important thing to think about. AIM people are manipulating the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation.

VERLOC is the name of an anarchist in Joseph Contrad's satiric spy novel The Secret Agent. VERLOC is a member of a moribund anarchist organization and at the same time a source for the Russian/Czarist intelligence service in London. The Russians want him to blow up the Greenwich Observatory to prove that anarchist are a problem. VERLOC (rhymes with SHERLOCK) sends the retarded little brother of his wife out with the bomb, and the child blows himself up.

Why is this company name, VERLOC, really strange?Because AIM activists were involved in the bombing of the Mount Rushmore Visitor Center in the 1970s. They had all kinds of weapons and explosives.

John Ramsey was the name of an notorious Indian killer. He was even the "bad guy" in the comic books that glorified the FBI in the 1940s because the FBI prosecuted Ramsey for murdering the Osage Indians. A little FBI propaganda, it is true, but I think the FBI account is basically true and something they are proud of. They tried to help the Osage in a very difficult time when the criminals were preying on them.

AIM activists who say the FBI is against the Indians have an agenda. And the organizers of the Pine Ridge Propaganda know who John Ramsey is. He is the epitome of the white man who kills Indians. He is a symbol.

66 posted on 02/05/2005 9:57:56 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Please see post number 57. It applies to you.

67 posted on 02/05/2005 9:59:37 AM PST by Houmatt (America's own Holocaust: Abortion.)
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To: Snapple

Then why haven't they publicized their joy at the death of this innocent little girl.

68 posted on 02/05/2005 10:00:58 AM PST by marty60
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To: TaxRelief

They lawyered up to be sure. So would I, even if innocent.

I find it very strange that AIM lawyer Lee Hill was bringing out fake witnesses and using clients to influence the grand jury (people got in trouble for this;it is a matter of public record)and giving "information" to a Ramsey website.

Where it counts--in courtwhen the police reveal their case and not on the Internet--Lee Hill sucks. He ran away from his court date when he--a lawyer--would be tried for assault and weapons crimes.

69 posted on 02/05/2005 10:02:31 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Houmatt
Yes there was DNA found that didn't match her parents nor any one in her family.

AND about 9 months later, a mom woke in the middle of the night due to a sound. She went to check on her daughter and surprised an intruder in her daughter's room, possibly already molesting the daughter. He got away.

The connection? This girl and Jon Benet went to the same dance studio.

70 posted on 02/05/2005 10:04:50 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: Kurt_D
Well, I am not very fond of conspiracy theories anyway.

I, on the other hand, enjoy a good conspiracy theory. This one needs a lot more development and a smoking gun.

71 posted on 02/05/2005 10:05:18 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Snapple

save for later

72 posted on 02/05/2005 10:06:21 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: marty60

You mean AIM? I don't think this was some organizational thing.

Even most terrorists/revolutionaries/anarchists wouldn't approve of this sick murder.

Whoever did this is mainly a sick person--a psychopath--who is influenced by AIM propaganda in my opinion.

AIM propaganda provides a kind of self-justification, a rationalization for his deviance.

HE needs to see himself as a revolutionary instead of a child-rapist and killer.

73 posted on 02/05/2005 10:06:55 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

The Boulder police have distanced themselves from recent TV reports on DNA.

Officially, the public don't know exactly what they have.

74 posted on 02/05/2005 10:09:43 AM PST by Snapple
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To: Snapple

Ok now that has more credence.

75 posted on 02/05/2005 10:09:52 AM PST by marty60
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To: Snapple

I like to keep an open mind on these things. I don't know if you have a case or not, but it's interesting.

As you say, there may be more radical factions within AIM, similar to the Provo faction of the IRA. Revolutionary movements often--in fact almost always--produce such radical fringe groups.

In that case, it puts a new light on AIM's recent repudiation of Ward Churchill. It could be that they're simply telling the truth, and they want to rid themselves of an embarassment. Or it could be that he has had some sort of covert connection with AIM and now they are publicly repudiating that.

76 posted on 02/05/2005 10:12:42 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SouthernFreebird
That's pretty damning evidence.

However there is this:

cbs article

and this

Both cite CBS as sources, but the second is a Washington Times article.

77 posted on 02/05/2005 10:12:57 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD -- John Kerry is still just a senator.)
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To: Snapple

Her mother did it and her father covered it up.

78 posted on 02/05/2005 10:14:05 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Sawed-Off Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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To: marty60

Read Ward Churchill's rants.

It is scary what he is teaching young impressionable adults. He is basically giving them the ideology for terrorism.

It is like what the Mullahs do to the boys in Pakistan.
They give them an ideology to justify killing.

Churchill is teaching Terrorism 101. Read what he says.

He is completely disgusting.

Lee Hill is a lot slicker. But not slick enough. HE assaulted his wife with a glock (hand gun)and was arrested for speeding and booked for having weapons (knives) and burglar tools (I think). He ran away and jumped bail.

Now here is a guy who is assaultive, who has burglar tools, who believes in an extreme ideology, who thinks the US government is a conspiracy, who gives out information on the Ramsey case to the media--papers, internet discussion sites, radio--and now he is missing.

I am not wearing tin foil to ask about that.

79 posted on 02/05/2005 10:16:44 AM PST by Snapple
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To: SouthernFreebird

It is my opinion that Ramsey is/was a Mason and had connections with the local Masonic lodge in Boulder. The Cheif of Police is probably also a Mason. They are both probably high up in the club.

One did not want to rat out the other and this is why neither Ramsey nor his wife were ever charged

80 posted on 02/05/2005 10:16:54 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Sawed-Off Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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