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Women and girls from Honduras forced to work at bar
NY Newsday ^ | 2/4/05 | NY Newsday

Posted on 02/05/2005 5:21:13 PM PST by wagglebee

NEWARK, N.J. -- Dozens of Honduran women and girls were smuggled into the United States and forced to work at a bar to earn freedom from the traffickers, federal authorities charged.

The women told agents they had expected to work as waitresses in restaurants, but were ordered to drink and dance with men at the El Paisano Bar and Night Club in Union City.

One woman told agents her family had paid $5,000 in Honduras to have her smuggled, but "after she got to the United States, she was told that she owed another $15,000 smuggling fee," according to documents filed in U.S. District Court. One illegal immigrant said she had been trying to pay off her debt for two years.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: honduras; illegalimmigrants; immigration; prostitution; sexslaves; slavery
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This is disgusting.
1 posted on 02/05/2005 5:21:13 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

They're only drinking, dancing and having sex (probably) with strangers which are jobs Americans don't want...really.


2 posted on 02/05/2005 5:25:52 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: wagglebee

The trafficers deserve a fair trial and a fast hanging.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 5:25:54 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: wagglebee

The way to reduce trafficking in illegal immigrants is to make it easier to immigrate legally. It's logical and obvious.


4 posted on 02/05/2005 5:27:54 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
They're only drinking, dancing and having sex (probably) with strangers which are jobs Americans don't want...really.

That makes me wonder what nationality the girls are that BJ Klintoon has working for him in Harlem.

5 posted on 02/05/2005 5:29:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
The illegal immigrant gets screwed ever step of the way. Don't think that those making minimum wage are living the life of luxury. The men and women are abused because there isn't anyone to report bad behavior to. Themselves here against our nation's laws, they can't exactly complain because the woman gets sexually exploited. The men can't speak up if their employers abuse them with regard to wages et al. Oh yes, illegal immigration is a real hoot until you start thinking about it, realizing what the people who employ them are getting away with.
6 posted on 02/05/2005 5:29:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Oblongata

Yes, it's obvious that taking in every last poor person on the planet will resolve the problem. Several billion people later everyone in the U.S. will be better off. Thanks for the wonderful idea.


7 posted on 02/05/2005 5:38:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: wagglebee
And here we thought indentured servants were a thing of the past.

It seems to me we don't come down nearly hard enough on the ones that are employing and abusing these people. Both parties are to blame and I suspect it will take a disaster before we see some change. Sad.

8 posted on 02/05/2005 5:39:57 PM PST by lizma
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To: Oblongata
The way to reduce trafficking in illegal immigrants is to make it easier to immigrate legally. It's logical and obvious.

How does the U.S. make it "easier"? Far as I know, millions have used the same method for decades, nay, more than a century with great success. What do YOU propose to make it easier?

I really want to know what you think is easier and please make it "logical and obvious".

Thanks, or should I say gracias, in advance.

FMCDH(BITS)

9 posted on 02/05/2005 5:42:07 PM PST by nothingnew (CNN REPORT: Judge says ready to sit for 6 month Jackson trial: God help us!)
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To: DoughtyOne
See #9

FMCDH(BITS)

10 posted on 02/05/2005 5:44:23 PM PST by nothingnew (CNN REPORT: Judge says ready to sit for 6 month Jackson trial: God help us!)
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To: lizma

Check that "it will take a disaster remark". It will take ANOTHER disaster before they take our border security serious, and then they'll take every damn right we have away in the process.


11 posted on 02/05/2005 5:49:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: nothingnew

Easier would be to send Grayhound buses into Mexico in mass, picking up whoever wanted to come north. We owe it to them. Whew!


12 posted on 02/05/2005 5:50:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"They're only drinking, dancing and having sex (probably) with strangers which are jobs Americans don't want...really.

Wait a minute, how good a dancer do I have to be?

13 posted on 02/05/2005 5:53:04 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: wagglebee
Bar owner Isidro Claros told the newspaper he was unaware of the ring and did not know the Rosales sisters.

And in real life his name is Bahgdad Bob!! Yo, Bob!!!

14 posted on 02/05/2005 5:55:32 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (I am now a "SNAPDRAGON" Part of me has lost its snap and the other part is draggin')
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To: DoughtyOne; Oblongata
Good point unfortunately.

But I can't understand why you object to Oblongata remarks. There are people who want to come and people who will employ them. I think increasing the amount of allotted screened immigrants is preferable to the unknown, which leaves a big hole in our security.

15 posted on 02/05/2005 6:02:50 PM PST by lizma
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To: wagglebee

They're just doing jobs Americans wont do...Honest!..I heard Bush say the same thing during the State of the Union Address...


16 posted on 02/05/2005 6:03:31 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: muir_redwoods

LMAO!


17 posted on 02/05/2005 6:03:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: DoughtyOne

realizing what the people who employ them are getting away with.

Bingo! We have a winner!!


18 posted on 02/05/2005 6:06:48 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: DoughtyOne
The illegal immigrant gets screwed ever step of the way.
Literally! I'm not opposed to prostitution, but this is slavery. The "importers" ought to be tried under anti-slavery laws, which are still on the books everywhere in the U.S.
19 posted on 02/05/2005 6:16:17 PM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: wagglebee

This type of stuff is happening all over the place in L.A.


20 posted on 02/05/2005 6:18:49 PM PST by John Lenin (Don't let them fool you)
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To: lizma

I think increasing the amount of allotted screened immigrants is preferable to the unknown, which leaves a big hole in our security.

LOL..and if u cant screen the ones that are flooding us now...how do propose to allot those that you will "SCREEN" to make to make it better?....(If u had a leaky gas tank..would knowing how much gas u were losing solve your problem??..)


21 posted on 02/05/2005 6:19:44 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: lizma

You answered your own question. LOTS OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME.

Where does it end? We have legal immigration and that's good enough. Numbers larger than what we let in now make it impossible for the nowcomers to assimilate.


22 posted on 02/05/2005 6:22:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: rpgdfmx

Good point. I'm all for it.


23 posted on 02/05/2005 6:23:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
LOTS OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME.

Heaven forbid we repeat Elise Isle. Look at all the people we took in that eventually assimilated! It took a few generations to get there.

At this point it is not the immigrants per se that are the problem, it's the power hungry politicians who have worked extra hard to convince these people that they DON'T have to assimilate (Diversity, the lefts form of Godliness) and in doing so you will get extra perks. Useful idiot stuff.

It just seems to me that with some strict real rules and common sense this should be workable

24 posted on 02/05/2005 7:44:37 PM PST by lizma
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To: lizma
We have a legitimate means of bringing people into the nation today. Although they don't traverse Ellis Island any longer, they still come. They still come in large numbers. It's simply not legitimate to infer otherwise.

There's something really strange about this topic. It just unhinges people. They make some of the most interesting comments, as if we were advocating that all borders be sealed in perpetuity. Nobody is advocating that.

We have large numbers entering our nation by legal means. That is sufficient.
25 posted on 02/05/2005 7:52:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Oblongata

"The way to reduce trafficking in illegal immigrants is to make it easier to immigrate legally."


Let them immigrate legally to Mexico.


26 posted on 02/05/2005 9:34:11 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: lizma

"But I can't understand why you object to Oblongata remarks."

Do you know how to do long division? If not use a spreadsheet program on a computer.

Find out the annual amount of money the US Government can allocate to Health Services, etc. Take your population assumptions if you let all these wetbacks in, do the math.


27 posted on 02/05/2005 9:41:17 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: DoughtyOne
Yes, it's obvious that taking in every last poor person on the planet will resolve the problem. Several billion people later everyone in the U.S. will be better off. Thanks for the wonderful idea.

10-4 to that! I am sick of the bots, and I'd name them but I won't, that are for this ridiculous plan Bush has and repeat the same talking points "jobsaamericansdontwant" like mindless bot drones they are.

28 posted on 02/05/2005 9:42:46 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: DoughtyOne
"We have large numbers entering our nation by legal means. That is sufficient."

Can you tell us how many are allowed in legally each year? If not how do you know it's enough?

Fact is that we have illegals because we do not provide a legal way for the number to enter whom we have to have to sustain our economy.

29 posted on 02/05/2005 9:50:12 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

We do NOT need these people to "sustain our economy" or "to dojobsamericanswontdo." Same old propaganda talking points blahblahblah...


30 posted on 02/05/2005 9:54:07 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Chu Gary
" do the math"

Why don't you do the math for us. Start with how much each illegal laborer contributes to our GNP.

Then calculate how much in taxes each business pays that employs illegal aliens. Don't forget ad valorem taxes that support schools and police and hospitals.

And while your at it, you might want to divide the total state and local government expenditures by the number of individuals to determine the tax burden of each individual (over $20,000 last I saw) and then calculate how much the average individual pays (less than $3,000) and then tell us what your point is.

31 posted on 02/05/2005 9:58:51 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Indie
From REASONLINE

"Many of the Chinese who arrived in the garment factories in the mid-1960s have already worked their way in the managerial and entrepreneurial classes. "There are 500 to 600 Chinese-owned garment companies in New York," notes Chisti. "In 1960, there were just five. They employ 30,000 workers." Their payroll is more than $200 million.

" Anti-immigrant activists would retort, no doubt, that most of those 30,000 jobs go to other immigrants rather than Americans. That's undoubtedly true. But many jobs generated by the garment industry are held by native-born Americans. Packagers, truckers, mid-level managers, and wholesale workers are mostly natives. So are people in countless other jobs that were created by the garment industry, from the assembly-line workers in the plants where sewing machines are built to the pink-collar staffs of the designers who cluster near the garment factories.

" A 1985 Urban Institute study of the garment industry in Los Angeles, the country's second-biggest, concluded that without Mexican immigrants, the city would have lost 50,000 production jobs, 12,000 management jobs, and 25,000 incidental jobs.

32 posted on 02/05/2005 10:17:09 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

Yawn, hey lefty, the topic was illegal immigration.


33 posted on 02/05/2005 11:41:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: bayourod

If you've got a point to make, why don't you get off your lazy ass and post some stats of your own. Come on hot shot, justify your bogus theories yourself.


34 posted on 02/05/2005 11:45:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: bayourod

The fact is, you have nothing to offer here or you would provide the stats yourself. You're full of hot air and something else I won't mention.


35 posted on 02/05/2005 11:46:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: wagglebee

Hey that was just in a CSI Miami episode. What did they know and when did they know it?


36 posted on 02/05/2005 11:48:01 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: M-cubed

I heard that crap too.

The vomit came up, but I swallowed it back...drank it like a lib drinking cool-aid.

Bush is not with us on this issue.


37 posted on 02/05/2005 11:48:52 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: DoughtyOne
Yes, it's obvious that taking in every last poor person on the planet will resolve the problem. Several billion people later everyone in the U.S. will be better off. Thanks for the wonderful idea.

Good reply DO, I couldn't stop banging my head on the wall long enough to do so myself. All I was getting was a headache. I can't grasp the OBL thought process. Blackbird.

38 posted on 02/06/2005 4:04:23 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST

"I can't grasp the OBL thought process."
Consider yourself blessed.


39 posted on 02/06/2005 7:19:53 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Indie

I, too, am sick and tired of hearing about the jobs that Americans won't do. My teenaged son cannot get a job around here because the foreigners who have taken over the businesses that hire teenagers DO NOT hire Americans. Native Americans need not apply, whether they are White or Black. I don't remember the government asking me my opinion when they opened the floodgates.


40 posted on 02/06/2005 7:33:16 AM PST by DC native
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To: BlackbirdSST

Thanks. It's tough to take hugh. As Ronnie Guyer says, the enemy is now within. I firmly believe that. It's self evident.


41 posted on 02/06/2005 8:14:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; Klickitat; ...

ping


42 posted on 02/06/2005 11:13:49 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: DC native
"My teenaged son cannot get a job around here "

Has he tried McDonalds or Pizza Hut? A paper route? Sack boy?

FReepmail me your zip code and I can find someone hiring teens.

Now if your son has twelve nose rings or an attitude problem (such as hating foreigners) that just might be a problem.

43 posted on 02/06/2005 12:39:46 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod; DC native; Admin Moderator; Cindy; Quix; MamaDearest; appalachian_dweller
Has he tried McDonalds or Pizza Hut? A paper route? Sack boy? FReepmail me your zip code and I can find someone hiring teens. Now if your son has twelve nose rings or an attitude problem (such as hating foreigners) that just might be a problem.

This issue Mr bayourod has nothing to do with hating foreigners and personal insults and hyperbole are not constructive to anything. If you want these folks, then we'll let you pay for them all by yourself along with all the other bots.

44 posted on 02/06/2005 1:21:36 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie

Sheesh, you'd think a descendant of William the Conqueror would have a thicker skin.


45 posted on 02/06/2005 1:34:00 PM PST by flada (My other tagline is a Mercedes Benz.)
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To: wagglebee

"Bar owner Isidro Claros told the newspaper he was unaware of the ring and did not know the Rosales sisters."

Sounds like Schultz on Hogan's Heros - "I know nothing."


46 posted on 02/06/2005 1:36:00 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Indie; DC native
DC native made the issue his son's inability to get a job. When I owned fast food restaurants I hired hundreds of teenagers. (never an illegal one to my knowledge). Not a one was refused employment because of the government.

It really isn't Bush's fault.

47 posted on 02/06/2005 1:48:28 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

I live in Herndon, Virginia. How long have you lived in Herndon and how long did it take before you became an expert on Northern Virginia demographics and on the No Va job market? Did you want only my zip code, or would you like my shoe size and credit card numbers, too?

We certainly don't need your help finding potential places of employment. If you read my post more carefully, you will see that I was referring to the businesses that typically hire teenagers. Amazingly, we have been able to figure out which businesses they are without your input.

My son does not have nose rings or the confrontational attitude that you frequently display here on Free Republic. As for the assumptions you make about our hatred of foreigners, your game plan would be decimated if you knew anything about our personal life. In fact, your assumption regarding our hatred of foreigners is so off base as to be comical to anyone that knows us.

I suggest you spend less time ramming your agenda down the throats of others and more time working on your attitude problem.


48 posted on 02/06/2005 6:55:54 PM PST by DC native
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To: DC native
This was your original post:

"My teenaged son cannot get a job around here because the foreigners ..."

Your post speaks for itself.

49 posted on 02/06/2005 7:24:41 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: DC native

Really? I went to High School in an area filled with "foreigners" yet I managed to get jobs at Blockbuster Video and Borders Books. Where is your son looking?


50 posted on 02/06/2005 7:26:25 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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