Posted on 02/05/2005 7:45:07 PM PST by ex-Texan
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Source: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/29239/story.htm
I guess those face masks I got for SARS isn't gonna do me any good?
I saw that on world news tonight. It could get very bad. I heard on Albuquerque news last night that NM had 2 deaths from the flu this past week. It's very late starting this year. The two people who died were adults but not seniors. That's pretty scary.
Ping for the falcons...
Chinese 'New Year' celebrations have the potential of setting off Asian epidemics or perhaps even worse. The farmers take their birds to market for the celebrations. In small towns, hundreds of not thousands will be brought in from the country. Cock fighting abounds in Asia.
And if millions of people die around the world, we should nuke the rest of these idiots who caused this disease by co-habiting with livestock.
And if millions of people die around the world, we should nuke the rest of these idiots who caused this disease by co-habiting with livestock.
LOL!
It could jump around the world in a very short time. I'm surprised that some disease didn't come out after the tsunami. I think we may have dodged the bullet on that one.
Asian Bird Flu has a 73% fatality rate. Again, I am inclined to believe that it is no accident that the Bird Flu has suddenly mutated. China, N. Korea and Vietnam may be heading down the long, hard road of exotic global pandemics as just a means to an end.
Oh, well . . . Whatever. I am just a guy living in the Peoples' Republic of Oregon.
Thanks for the ping. I think I'll go find out who makes Tamiflu, and where the company is located....BRB
Tamiflu, which has shown some signs of being at least partially effective against H5N1 in humans, must be given within 48 hours of the beginning of flu symptoms.
Tamiflu takes about a year to manufacture. Roche makes it. I don't think they can make enough to make a difference...and I don't trust China to report human-to-human transmission...
Why do you say that? Is there something I missed? AFAIK, the N95 and N100/P100 masks, if fitted properly, give near 100% protection against influenza virus-sized particles.
Wonder how much it costs?
I have a cold right now, my first in well over 5 years. My daughter, who is 30 yo, and physically in better shape, gave it to me, but she is much sicker, now with bronchitis...
Bear in mind that has next to nothing to do with the N5 avian flu.
I found Tamiflu available for $110 for ten doses--supposed to take 2 a day for 5 days.
I think the CE post quoted something like $60 or $80 for ten doses. Sometimes they add on a lot for express international shipping.
I'm on the mend, almost over it. I don't take anything special, I just don't get a cold very often. This is the only one I can actually recall, so I'm guessing it's been more than 5 years.
So, it's about $6-$11 per dose...
Would you please post the link to that H5N1 discussion board again? I'd like to go there and see what's up...
HAHAHA, I was thinking the same thing
Where do you get those masks? Any websites?
A couple new threads...
http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=21
Thanks!
During the SARS scare most Home Deports and Lowes sold out of the respirators, and that was with relatively few people aware of the situation. Anyone who takes the possibility of a high-morbidity flu epidemic seriesly would be wise to invest $25 in a respirator now. Also would protect against numerous kinds of bio and chemical WMD.
Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. Good information there.
We went ahead and purchased the N95 face masks, also the N95 true respirators with cartridges. You can combine types of cartridges, for example the N95 particulate filter and one of the organic media to filter chemicals. Many people think this is foolish overkill, but we don't care, do we?
150 Canadian Geese Fall from Sky.
This event happened on or about February 1st near Keizar Oregon which is just a few miles outside of Salem. The local authorities have not determined the cause of the birds' death. Local people suspect poisoning. The article does not mention bird flu. Salem has been the locale for several bizaar incidents inluding a suspected terrorist poisoning incident at a local Cosco store. Read Report Here: Scroll Down
What are you suggesting, that China would not be opposed to thinning the herd, so to speak?
Recombinomics Commentary
February 5, 2005
Medical investigators said it is the first documented case of human-to-human transmission of the Avian flu virus. Health officials in Thailand said an 11-year-old girl who died from Avian flu last fall most likely transmitted the disease to members of her family.
Avian flu is typically transmitted from infected birds to humans, but health investigators said, in this case, the young girl may have passed on the virus to her mother and aunt when they hugged and kissed.
World health officials are concerned the virus could mutate, allowing for widespread human to human transmission, but said this small scale transmission is not an indicator the virus is mutating. <<
Although the case in Thailand led to the first published paper documenting human to human transmission of H5N1 avian influenza in the recent outbreak, there are at least 8 other familial clusters that are similar. The cluster in Thailand stood out because the mother was several hundred miles away from her daughter when her daughter developed symptoms and the mother had no history of exposure to birds. She developed symptoms after her daughter died, suggesting she was infected by her daughter. In addition, the aunt also developed symptoms. Thus, it was the lack of bird contact by the mother and a bimodal distribution of onset dates that made human to human transmission in the cluster convincing.
The lab data supported the conclusion, but only after considerable effort. The index case was initially diagnosed as dengue fever and was never tested to show that she was infected with H5N1. Samples were also not collected for the mother, but after her death H5N1 sequences were identified in fixed tissue. The aunt did test positive, although she was negative on her initial test.
An equally compelling case can be made from a much earlier cluster in Vietnam. The index case developed symptoms on Jan 3, 2004, was hospitalized on Jan 7 and died on Jan 12. There was no sample collected for testing. However, his two sisters who cared for him both developed symptoms on Jan 10, both were hospitalized on Jan 13, both were inclusive on initial tests, both were H5N1 positive on subsequent tests, and both died on Jan 23. One sister had no history of contact with birds so the cluster was very similar to the Thailand cluster. One patient had no history of contact with birds, but developed a fatal infection after caring for a close relative. Although the disease onset was bimodal for the cluster, it was unimodal for the two sisters, indicating they were infected by a common source, who was almost certainly their brother.
The other 7 clusters had the same type of bimodal distribution for disease onset, indicating they were all likely human to human transmission. The 9 clusters involved 21 patients and 19 died. These patients represent about 1/3 of all reported H5N1 avian influenza cases in Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia so the clusters as a group are not small scale.
However, each of the 9 transmission chains was short, because the patients from the second round of infections sought medical treatment, and their caregivers knew from first hand experience that human to human transmission of the fatal illness was quite possible.
I found this report and others Here
Ditter: Culling is normal conduct for communist societies.
There was no indication that these were the Avian H5N1 virus, was there?
As I understand it there are thousands of deaths in the US from influenza every year, but the fear is that Avian flu, or some other strain, will repeat what happened around 1918, when 20 million died worldwide from the "spanish flu."
Pandemics are scary.
My aunt and her grown kids and their families live in Albuquerque. She's a semi-retired nurse and her late husband was the M.E. there until he retired in the 90s. She still works part time in the university hospital and would be exposed to any wide spread outbreak. When she's not at the hospital she helps her daughter run a gourmet cooking store up in the part of town towards Sandia. With folks in and out of there all day they'll be exposed to anything that comes along there, too.
see this?
No, not at all. That's why I said that flu season was late in starting this year. It was just the regular flu, but it seems to be a pretty nasty bug. Let's pray that the bird flu doesn't hit America.
I have a tamiflu pen in my purse,lol.
You really are better off just taking zinc, magnesium & B6 daily.
Same situation here. It takes a pretty hot cold or flu to get past my immune system. This one stayed in my sinuses for the last 2 weeks. Finally getting to the tail end.
You know they have a fever when they lay hardboiled eggs.
What i can't stand is their constant 'cluck-cluck-clucking' all night . . . a sound that just drives me cock-a-doodle-doo crazy . . . and finding their stupid little feathers all over the bed.
Makes me sneeze (aaahhaaa a-choo!, a-choo! Sniff sniffle ;)
I'm long past the age where I care what people think.
Not in the least. ;-D
50,000,000 people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918. How many people will die from the Asian Bird Flu over the next two years ?
I do not trust Beijing now, just like I did not trust them when SARS broke out. If the SARS virus was genetically engineered, perhaps only the communists in China, North Korea and Vietnam really know.
Bird flu is going to present the world with yet another major deadly health issue.
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