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Asia prepares for bird flu pandemic; experts pessimistic
NewsTarget.com ^ | 2/4/2005 | Staff

Posted on 02/05/2005 7:45:07 PM PST by ex-Texan

NewsTarget.com printable article

Friday, February 04, 2005

Asia prepares for bird flu pandemic; experts pessimistic

Asian nations are stocking up on Tamiflu and making plans for civil-defense type measures in the event of an outbreak of bird flu. The World Health Organization has warned that the bird flu virus is epidemic throughout Asia; if the disease mutates into a form which can be readily transmitted from human to human, the results could be catastrophic.

Overview:

Source: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/29239/story.htm



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: birdflu; health; outbreak; pandemic; who
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1 posted on 02/05/2005 7:45:08 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan

I guess those face masks I got for SARS isn't gonna do me any good?


2 posted on 02/05/2005 7:48:29 PM PST by blam
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To: ex-Texan

I saw that on world news tonight. It could get very bad. I heard on Albuquerque news last night that NM had 2 deaths from the flu this past week. It's very late starting this year. The two people who died were adults but not seniors. That's pretty scary.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 7:54:33 PM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: Mother Abigail; flutters; Judith Anne; Cindy

Ping for the falcons...


4 posted on 02/05/2005 7:59:45 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: NRA2BFree

Chinese 'New Year' celebrations have the potential of setting off Asian epidemics or perhaps even worse. The farmers take their birds to market for the celebrations. In small towns, hundreds of not thousands will be brought in from the country. Cock fighting abounds in Asia.


5 posted on 02/05/2005 8:00:32 PM PST by ex-Texan (Democracy Was Born From Judeo-Christian Tradition)
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To: ex-Texan

And if millions of people die around the world, we should nuke the rest of these idiots who caused this disease by co-habiting with livestock.


6 posted on 02/05/2005 8:01:53 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: ex-Texan

And if millions of people die around the world, we should nuke the rest of these idiots who caused this disease by co-habiting with livestock.


7 posted on 02/05/2005 8:02:34 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: rmmcdaniell
And if millions of people die around the world, we should nuke the rest of these idiots who caused this disease by co-habiting with livestock.

LOL!

8 posted on 02/05/2005 8:33:34 PM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: ex-Texan
Chinese 'New Year' celebrations have the potential of setting off Asian epidemics or perhaps even worse. The farmers take their birds to market for the celebrations. In small towns, hundreds of not thousands will be brought in from the country. Cock fighting abounds in Asia.

It could jump around the world in a very short time. I'm surprised that some disease didn't come out after the tsunami. I think we may have dodged the bullet on that one.

9 posted on 02/05/2005 8:37:26 PM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: NRA2BFree
Please pardon me, but, admittedly, I'm a bit of a conspiracy buff (conspiracies work because they are secret). I thought SARS was only a test by Beijing of WHO scientists and U.S. prevention protocols. China was not cooperating with WHO investigators and at one point even imprisoned hundreds of patients in military hospitals and allowed them to die in secret. In the end, Beijing blamed civet cats, exotic racoons, rats and fleas for the SARS epidemic raging through trashy apartments. Now Beijing has set up WHO again; they will blame chickens and migratory foul for spreading this disease!

Asian Bird Flu has a 73% fatality rate. Again, I am inclined to believe that it is no accident that the Bird Flu has suddenly mutated. China, N. Korea and Vietnam may be heading down the long, hard road of exotic global pandemics as just a means to an end.

Oh, well . . . Whatever. I am just a guy living in the Peoples' Republic of Oregon.

10 posted on 02/05/2005 9:04:40 PM PST by ex-Texan (Democracy Was Born From Judeo-Christian Tradition)
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To: Domestic Church

Thanks for the ping. I think I'll go find out who makes Tamiflu, and where the company is located....BRB


11 posted on 02/05/2005 9:05:37 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne
Someone on CE said Tamiflu is OTC some countries and can be purchased online. Might as well add it to my next simvastatin order.
12 posted on 02/05/2005 9:10:53 PM PST by steve86
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To: ex-Texan

Tamiflu, which has shown some signs of being at least partially effective against H5N1 in humans, must be given within 48 hours of the beginning of flu symptoms.

Tamiflu takes about a year to manufacture. Roche makes it. I don't think they can make enough to make a difference...and I don't trust China to report human-to-human transmission...


13 posted on 02/05/2005 9:12:04 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: blam
I guess those face masks I got for SARS isn't gonna do me any good?

Why do you say that? Is there something I missed? AFAIK, the N95 and N100/P100 masks, if fitted properly, give near 100% protection against influenza virus-sized particles.

14 posted on 02/05/2005 9:14:14 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

Wonder how much it costs?

I have a cold right now, my first in well over 5 years. My daughter, who is 30 yo, and physically in better shape, gave it to me, but she is much sicker, now with bronchitis...


15 posted on 02/05/2005 9:14:27 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: NRA2BFree
NM had 2 deaths from the flu this past week.

Bear in mind that has next to nothing to do with the N5 avian flu.

16 posted on 02/05/2005 9:16:20 PM PST by steve86
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To: Judith Anne
Keep hitting up the Sambucol. I seemed to have stopped several things with it this year. Also am taking Oil of Oregano.
17 posted on 02/05/2005 9:18:03 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

I found Tamiflu available for $110 for ten doses--supposed to take 2 a day for 5 days.


18 posted on 02/05/2005 9:18:36 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

I think the CE post quoted something like $60 or $80 for ten doses. Sometimes they add on a lot for express international shipping.


19 posted on 02/05/2005 9:20:43 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

I'm on the mend, almost over it. I don't take anything special, I just don't get a cold very often. This is the only one I can actually recall, so I'm guessing it's been more than 5 years.


20 posted on 02/05/2005 9:21:38 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: BearWash

So, it's about $6-$11 per dose...


21 posted on 02/05/2005 9:22:54 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: BearWash

Would you please post the link to that H5N1 discussion board again? I'd like to go there and see what's up...


22 posted on 02/05/2005 9:25:02 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: BearWash
Bear in mind that has next to nothing to do with the N5 avian flu.

HAHAHA, I was thinking the same thing

23 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:24 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: BearWash

Where do you get those masks? Any websites?


24 posted on 02/05/2005 9:29:34 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible")
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To: Judith Anne

A couple new threads...

http://www.curevents.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=21


25 posted on 02/05/2005 9:30:30 PM PST by steve86
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To: Mears
Any industrial supply vendor with worker safety items carries the respirators. Even Home Depot and Lowe's stock them in the (spray) painting section. Places like gemplers.com have them online. Many of the actual filters are made by 3M.
26 posted on 02/05/2005 9:33:08 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

Thanks!


27 posted on 02/05/2005 9:37:38 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible")
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To: BearWash

During the SARS scare most Home Deports and Lowes sold out of the respirators, and that was with relatively few people aware of the situation. Anyone who takes the possibility of a high-morbidity flu epidemic seriesly would be wise to invest $25 in a respirator now. Also would protect against numerous kinds of bio and chemical WMD.


28 posted on 02/05/2005 9:41:09 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

Thanks for the link, I appreciate it. Good information there.


29 posted on 02/05/2005 9:47:35 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne; Mears

We went ahead and purchased the N95 face masks, also the N95 true respirators with cartridges. You can combine types of cartridges, for example the N95 particulate filter and one of the organic media to filter chemicals. Many people think this is foolish overkill, but we don't care, do we?


30 posted on 02/05/2005 11:55:04 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash
Thanks for the link! Now this headline was pretty scary to me personally because I live in Oregon.

150 Canadian Geese Fall from Sky.

This event happened on or about February 1st near Keizar Oregon which is just a few miles outside of Salem. The local authorities have not determined the cause of the birds' death. Local people suspect poisoning. The article does not mention bird flu. Salem has been the locale for several bizaar incidents inluding a suspected terrorist poisoning incident at a local Cosco store. Read Report Here: Scroll Down

31 posted on 02/06/2005 8:43:51 AM PST by ex-Texan (Democracy Was Born From Judeo-Christian Tradition)
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To: ex-Texan

What are you suggesting, that China would not be opposed to thinning the herd, so to speak?


32 posted on 02/06/2005 8:56:42 AM PST by Ditter
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To: BearWash; Ditter; Salvation
Human Transmission in One Third of Bird Flu Cases

Recombinomics Commentary

February 5, 2005

Medical investigators said it is the first documented case of human-to-human transmission of the Avian flu virus. Health officials in Thailand said an 11-year-old girl who died from Avian flu last fall most likely transmitted the disease to members of her family.

Avian flu is typically transmitted from infected birds to humans, but health investigators said, in this case, the young girl may have passed on the virus to her mother and aunt when they hugged and kissed.

World health officials are concerned the virus could mutate, allowing for widespread human to human transmission, but said this small scale transmission is not an indicator the virus is mutating. <<

Although the case in Thailand led to the first published paper documenting human to human transmission of H5N1 avian influenza in the recent outbreak, there are at least 8 other familial clusters that are similar. The cluster in Thailand stood out because the mother was several hundred miles away from her daughter when her daughter developed symptoms and the mother had no history of exposure to birds. She developed symptoms after her daughter died, suggesting she was infected by her daughter. In addition, the aunt also developed symptoms. Thus, it was the lack of bird contact by the mother and a bimodal distribution of onset dates that made human to human transmission in the cluster convincing.

The lab data supported the conclusion, but only after considerable effort. The index case was initially diagnosed as dengue fever and was never tested to show that she was infected with H5N1. Samples were also not collected for the mother, but after her death H5N1 sequences were identified in fixed tissue. The aunt did test positive, although she was negative on her initial test.

An equally compelling case can be made from a much earlier cluster in Vietnam. The index case developed symptoms on Jan 3, 2004, was hospitalized on Jan 7 and died on Jan 12. There was no sample collected for testing. However, his two sisters who cared for him both developed symptoms on Jan 10, both were hospitalized on Jan 13, both were inclusive on initial tests, both were H5N1 positive on subsequent tests, and both died on Jan 23. One sister had no history of contact with birds so the cluster was very similar to the Thailand cluster. One patient had no history of contact with birds, but developed a fatal infection after caring for a close relative. Although the disease onset was bimodal for the cluster, it was unimodal for the two sisters, indicating they were infected by a common source, who was almost certainly their brother.

The other 7 clusters had the same type of bimodal distribution for disease onset, indicating they were all likely human to human transmission. The 9 clusters involved 21 patients and 19 died. These patients represent about 1/3 of all reported H5N1 avian influenza cases in Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia so the clusters as a group are not small scale.

However, each of the 9 transmission chains was short, because the patients from the second round of infections sought medical treatment, and their caregivers knew from first hand experience that human to human transmission of the fatal illness was quite possible.

I found this report and others Here

Ditter: Culling is normal conduct for communist societies.

33 posted on 02/06/2005 9:04:05 AM PST by ex-Texan (Democracy Was Born From Judeo-Christian Tradition)
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To: NRA2BFree
I heard on Albuquerque news last night that NM had 2 deaths from the flu this past week.

There was no indication that these were the Avian H5N1 virus, was there?

As I understand it there are thousands of deaths in the US from influenza every year, but the fear is that Avian flu, or some other strain, will repeat what happened around 1918, when 20 million died worldwide from the "spanish flu."

Pandemics are scary.

My aunt and her grown kids and their families live in Albuquerque. She's a semi-retired nurse and her late husband was the M.E. there until he retired in the 90s. She still works part time in the university hospital and would be exposed to any wide spread outbreak. When she's not at the hospital she helps her daughter run a gourmet cooking store up in the part of town towards Sandia. With folks in and out of there all day they'll be exposed to anything that comes along there, too.

34 posted on 02/06/2005 9:17:18 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: neverdem

see this?


35 posted on 02/06/2005 9:36:06 AM PST by bitt (Kerry "Hanoi"s me)
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To: Phsstpok
There was no indication that these were the Avian H5N1 virus, was there?

No, not at all. That's why I said that flu season was late in starting this year. It was just the regular flu, but it seems to be a pretty nasty bug. Let's pray that the bird flu doesn't hit America.

36 posted on 02/06/2005 11:12:21 AM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: Judith Anne

I have a tamiflu pen in my purse,lol.


37 posted on 02/06/2005 12:44:39 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Judith Anne

You really are better off just taking zinc, magnesium & B6 daily.


38 posted on 02/06/2005 12:48:56 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Judith Anne
I have a cold right now, my first in well over 5 years.

Same situation here. It takes a pretty hot cold or flu to get past my immune system. This one stayed in my sinuses for the last 2 weeks. Finally getting to the tail end.

39 posted on 02/06/2005 1:00:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: ex-Texan
I hate seeing poor sneezy chickens in bed drinking grapefruit juice and checking their temperatures.

You know they have a fever when they lay hardboiled eggs.

40 posted on 02/06/2005 1:02:22 PM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: Lazamataz

What i can't stand is their constant 'cluck-cluck-clucking' all night . . . a sound that just drives me cock-a-doodle-doo crazy . . . and finding their stupid little feathers all over the bed.
Makes me sneeze (aaahhaaa a-choo!, a-choo! Sniff sniffle ;)


41 posted on 02/06/2005 1:30:47 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: BearWash

I'm long past the age where I care what people think.


42 posted on 02/06/2005 2:38:22 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible")
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To: BearWash
Many people think this is foolish overkill, but we don't care, do we?

Not in the least. ;-D

43 posted on 02/06/2005 2:54:47 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: ex-Texan


44 posted on 02/11/2005 3:07:08 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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To: M. Espinola

1918 U.S. Army Photo Of Victims of Spanish Flu

50,000,000 people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918. How many people will die from the Asian Bird Flu over the next two years ?

I do not trust Beijing now, just like I did not trust them when SARS broke out. If the SARS virus was genetically engineered, perhaps only the communists in China, North Korea and Vietnam really know.

45 posted on 02/11/2005 3:40:03 AM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan
The remaining Asian communist regimés will not inform western public health officials of the facts, since how could anything possibly go wrong in these people's paradises.

Bird flu is going to present the world with yet another major deadly health issue.

46 posted on 02/11/2005 3:35:25 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free!)
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