Skip to comments.Unpatriotic Conservatives: A war against America. (A refresher course is called for)
Posted on 02/06/2005 7:07:12 PM PST by quidnunc
"I respect and admire the French, who have been a far greater nation than we shall ever be, that is, if greatness means anything loftier than money and bombs." Thomas Fleming, "Hard Right," March 13, 2003
From the very beginning of the War on Terror, there has been dissent, and as the war has proceeded to Iraq, the dissent has grown more radical and more vociferous. Perhaps that was to be expected. But here is what never could have been: Some of the leading figures in this antiwar movement call themselves "conservatives."
These conservatives are relatively few in number, but their ambitions are large. They aspire to reinvent conservative ideology: to junk the 50-year-old conservative commitment to defend American interests and values throughout the world the commitment that inspired the founding of this magazine in favor of a fearful policy of ignoring threats and appeasing enemies.
And they are exerting influence. When Richard Perle appeared on Meet the Press on February 23 of this year, Tim Russert asked him, "Can you assure American viewers that we're in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?" Perle rebutted the allegation. But what a grand victory for the antiwar conservatives that Russert felt he had to air it.
You may know the names of these antiwar conservatives. Some are famous: Patrick Buchanan and Robert Novak. Others are not: Llewellyn Rockwell, Samuel Francis, Thomas Fleming, Scott McConnell, Justin Raimondo, Joe Sobran, Charley Reese, Jude Wanniski, Eric Margolis, and Taki Theodoracopulos.
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LOL! I just thanked you (freepmail) for the link to this article. I had thought it would be good to post, but too old! Glad you did!
Quidnunc fids another good post PING!
There're a few FReepers I can think of that this article describes to a T...
If it was the right thing to do, I'd be the first to oppose the invasion of Iraq. In fact, there are many things wrong with the way we make war and structure our defense. But invading Iraq is not anywhere near the top of this list.
The "conservatives" like Pat Buchannan who oppose the war do it for all the wrong reasons, and are never there to speak up for properly declared wars proper authorization of a standing army. They have picked the wrong fight.
This one's for my friends in the US - there's nothing in the Australian experience to compare. I've never met an Aussie from either side of the fence who hated his own country. Even John Pilger, an Australian whom I despise, reserves his worst vitriol for the United States, which makes me think you guys must have something pretty good going for you over there, I mean, why else would a shrivelled up old alcoholic like him hate you so much?
Keep on doing whatever it is that is driving them crazy. If they hate the US enough they may all decide to leave, and go to Canada. (As long as they don't come here.)
Every movement has its extremists. The difference between ours and the Left's? We don't give them the reins of the Party. We slap them down when needed.
Pat Buchannon just likes to hear himself talk, and if being a Bush critic gets him a microphone, so be it.
Sure, the land of the bloody Revolution, Dreyfus, collapses in 1870 and 1940, and the various King Louis is so very great.
. President Bush said we needed to go to war. President Bush's word is good enough for me, and it should be good enough for you.
Now pipe down, and stopy whining and complaining.
Why doesn't Frum go back to his own country of Canada if he doesn't like how we do things here.
I don't know why the author has such a problem with these "anti-war conservatives." The least he could do is concede that they had a damn good point -- considering this administration's formal acknowledgement that the "weapons of mass destruction" claim was just a lot of crap.
Chutzpah. Mr Frum.
Neo-cons are making 'lists',now? Questioning others patriotism?
From historical experience you know better, Mr. Canuck. A despicable tactic used by desparate people.
Maybe your gang should concentrate on taking out the burned- out-Jordanian high-school dropout who is killing so many of America's best men and women.
Stop attacking citizens who won't prostrate themselves at your gang's feet to praise you, and your perverted view of conservatism.
You haven't been paying attention.
Though Saddam either destroyed his stockpiles or shipped them to places like Syria, he kept his programs in place so that he could start them up on very short notice once the sanctions were lifted.
But he didn't tell anybody outside his top circle of cronies.
Even field generals in the Iraqi army believed that chemical weapons existed.
And every intelligence agency in the West believed that Iraq contained stockpiles of WMD.
"President Bush said we needed to go to war. President Bush's word is good enough for me, and it should be good enough for you."
Never fully trust any politician. It's not cnservative, and it is unAmerican.
Having said that, I can't find a single thing conservative about Pat Buchanan. He's against free markets and might as well be a socialist on labor issues.
Yep. And if they we all destroyed then we certainly have not found nearly enough evidence of their destruction. The logical question:
Where'd they go?
That the danger of the paleo brand. I lumps together populist/isolationist conservatives like Buchanan and old-school small government/FP realists. Bush innauguration speech had so much neocon idealism in it, it might have been penned by woordrow wilson.
No, the logical question is this:
How can anyone be comfortable with the idea of not knowing whether Saddam has a WMD arsenal?
He didn't just sprinkle fairy dust on the Kurds and the Iranians.
We are now certain that Saddam no longer has recourse to Chemical weapons. That's enough for me.
Sort of the way how anybody who defends the War in Iraq or suggests those brownskinned Arabs might benefit from democracy gets labelled a 'neo-con'.
That's the Buchanan/Tancredo anti-Hispanic crowd that gleefully warns that a terrorist will drag an atomic bomb across the desert border and kill several million people in the U.S. just so they can say to President Bush, "See, we told you to build a fence across Mexico."
They hate Bush so much that, although they demand that he bust the employers of illegal laborers, they go postal when anyone suggest that their own local police are authorized to do the same thing.
"You may know the names of these antiwar conservatives. Some are famous: Patrick Buchanan and Robert Novak. Others are not: Llewellyn Rockwell, Samuel Francis, Thomas Fleming, Scott McConnell, Justin Raimondo, Joe Sobran, Charley Reese, Jude Wanniski, Eric Margolis, and Taki Theodoracopulos."
Buchanan and Novak are paid professional political journalists, and are beyond their peak years.
I barely recognize the rest, and Raimondo soils any list he appears on.
All in all, not an impressive lot. Not in positions to influence policy, or change minds.
bump to that...this is just a flame war starting slow.
You are probably right with that assessment. There is a local Baltimore guy - Ron Smith - that I listened to prior to the 2000 elections. He was extremely anti-Clinton and seemed conservative. Now, whenever I tune in which is rarely, he continually bashes this administration. I peg him now as an opportunist that swings both ways for an audience. Somehwat like Bill O'Reilly.
I can't believe all those people were dumb enough to believe something that a lot of folks right here in the U.S. knew wasn't true.
That kind of pathological mindset is dangerous to the legitimate function of this republic.
David Frum: a liberal, warmongering, Canadian journalist.
Thanks for posting this article. My local paper pulishes Charley Reece's syndicated column. Oh, I CAN'T STAND HIM!!! I fully admit that Americans aren't perfect, but he's so off base when he calls them "socialists who aren't aware of it" and says the country is freakish and un-Christian. Not to mention his claim that nearly all of America's problems are caused by the South losing the Civil War.
Am I the only Free Republica poster who's heard of him?