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Jackson Enjoys 'Bliss' of Neverland (Geraldo giving him air time and on Jackson's side)
FOX News ^ | February 06, 2005 | Geraldo Rivera

Posted on 02/07/2005 3:15:09 PM PST by Former Military Chick

Michael Jackson (search) told FOX News' Geraldo Rivera that he had become a target for prosecutors because he was a well-known figure and he said that news reports about him were "fiction."

"The bigger the star, the bigger the target. I'm not trying to say I'm the super-duper star, I'm not saying that," Jackson said in the interview, which was taped two weeks ago. "I'm saying the fact that people come at celebrities, we're targets. But truth always prevails. I believe in that."

The interview with Jackson aired Saturday at 10 p.m. ET on the FOX News Channel on "At Large With Geraldo Rivera."

The interview was Jackson's first since he was indicted by a grand jury in April on charges of molesting a boy and plying him with alcohol. Jackson's lawyers and prosecutors are scheduled to begin questioning potential jurors in the trial Monday.

The singer was barred by a gag order from talking about the molestation charges he faces.

Jackson also said in the interview that he designed his Neverland estate (search), where prosecutors say the molestation occurred, as a place where he could enjoy the childhood activities he missed while he was a child star.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: foxnews; geraldo; geraldorivera; michaeljackson
I have to tell you, I would be just fine if there were no coverage of this case but frankly, if we don't Jackson will use that to say everyone is out to get him.

I am fed up. Fed up with FOX as it pertains to Jackson. I saw the segment of the interview with Geraldo and Jackson. It was right up there with sugar water he was ga ga over the has been icon of music.

Geraldo said he would shave his mustache if convicted. He better sharpen the shears he is going to be doing some cutting.

A jury has to find at least child endangerment when it comes to the sleeping quarters of those not his kids.

If my neighbor were to do this, I would have him arrested, they would not be any bending over backwards, allowing him to turn him/herself to the authorities, the community would be aware and the perp would be put on some admin. situation if working in the field with children. HELLO WAKE UP. Jackson is still with kids and nobody has called him on it.

He endangered kids. He needs help and when an investigative reporter chooses to throw only soft ball questions well your creditability has been shot to hell.

As for Ms Rita Cosby she too was gushing at the fact of interviewing the king of pop's Mom. She never challenged any of the Moms accusations, one comment to include:

yes the following is in CAPS

HIS MOTHER SAID THAT THE CHILDREN OF THE DA WHO CHARGED HER SON IS EITHER KKK OR ARYAN NATION AFFILIATED.

Where is an attorney when I need one, someone needs to defend the kids who are NOT members of any questionable websites and sue the pants off Mom Jackson for saying such evil things against the DA cuz they are going after her son.

Oh, I am mad.

It is so irritating to watch the line our reporters are taking to get ratings.

1 posted on 02/07/2005 3:15:09 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Geraldo sucks, period.


2 posted on 02/07/2005 3:18:57 PM PST by OldSmaj (Jihad this, Islam! Your religion is false and your god is non-existent! Come get me.)
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To: OldSmaj
Geraldo has something about sex offenders, he stuck with Slick Willy didn't he? So, why change.
3 posted on 02/07/2005 3:27:07 PM PST by gulfcoast6 (I can do anything through Christ who gives me strength.)
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To: OldSmaj

You do not have to convince me. After he left CNBC to go to FOX I was not happy about this at all. But, I was impressed with his reporting while an embed in Iraq.

He seemed liked by the troops. But, now he is reverting back to his old "show" days, ratings. He sucked up to Jackson there is no doubt.

With the selection of jurors going on, this interview seemed to push the limit of the gag order or the one time opportunity for Jackson to rebutt the grand jury testimony that was leaked.


4 posted on 02/07/2005 3:29:13 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: OldSmaj
You remember of course that [I believe it was] the 101st Airborne banned him from embedding with their unit for blabbing too much by giving away their location and I would imagine, his theatrics. The Iraqi election day reporting by Geraldo was almost hilarious if it were not for real lives being lost. He would duck and dodge at any rounds going off and act like it was incoming while the soldiers around him would point off in the direction of the explosion which apparently wasn't even close.

Of course it would be unnerving for a cub reporter but come on, Geraldo has been in hot spots for many years, it's a matter of hyping his situation up for showmanship, it's all about him don't you know. He's shameless.

RB
5 posted on 02/07/2005 3:30:22 PM PST by brushcop (American first, last, always--no hyphens here.)
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To: Former Military Chick
He sucked up to Jackson there is no doubt.

Are you sure that sentence didn't have two words too many?

I'll let others figure out 'which two'.
6 posted on 02/07/2005 3:31:22 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Former Military Chick

He wants the exclusives on Michael regardless of the outcome of the trial. I say all the power to Fox News for getting the only interviews with both Jacko and his mother. Well done.


7 posted on 02/07/2005 3:31:36 PM PST by UpHereEh
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To: gulfcoast6

Geraldo wants to wear a jumper, shave his moustache, hold a lolli-pop and spend the night with Jacko. Hmmmmm....


8 posted on 02/07/2005 3:32:19 PM PST by pissant
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To: Former Military Chick
As for Ms Rita Cosby she too was gushing at the fact of interviewing the king of pop's Mom.

I am very interested in this case. I heard via FR that Geraldo was promoting his upcoming interview and was speaking in glowing terms about Michael Jackson. I did not watch the interview but happened to see a few minutes of Rita and she was her usual breathless self and exactly as you describe. I was disgusted.

9 posted on 02/07/2005 3:32:59 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Peach

Ping

Others saw Rita as we did...breathlessly gushing over the Jackson family.


10 posted on 02/07/2005 3:33:38 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Former Military Chick
So many people waver and vacillate, wondering one day to the next what to think about Geraldo. One day, he loves GWB and the troops and hates OJ. One day, he loves Bill Clinton and hates Ken Starr.

Here's my tip to those of you who wonder what to think about Geraldo - He's an idiot. Always. All the time. Sometimes things that sound like they make sense fall from his mouth. It's an accident. He's an idiot. All the time. An idiot.

I hope this clears things up.

11 posted on 02/07/2005 3:33:52 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Former Military Chick
You have, most succinctly, pointed out where Fox News gets the phrase, "Fair and Balanced". You are outraged; I am patiently waiting in the wings for someone to crack this case open, like an overripe melon. I do believe that is going to happen.

Rita Cosby is a "dime a dozen". What are the powers seeing that I cannot? I just loooooooove Geraldo, he's such a mega-colonosyogpy scope!
12 posted on 02/07/2005 3:37:11 PM PST by ishabibble
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To: Former Military Chick
FOX News' prestige and integrity always takes a hit when Geraldo's on the case.

Geraldo Rivera is the 'Enquirer' of news reporters.

13 posted on 02/07/2005 3:37:53 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Former Military Chick
"In an age when political appeasement masquerades as political correctness and truth is sacrificed in the name of tolerance, it's always nice to see someone taking advantage of the already paper-thin milieu. Such a man was Jerry Rivers, an enterprising young journalist from Long Island.

Jerry had a dream: to become the biggest jackass of all time and televise every excruciating moment of it. Just one problem though - he was a boring white guy with a boring white guy name, and there were already scores of boring white guys on TV making jackasses of themselves, many of them with interesting names like "Rush" and "Phil." What do you do in such a situation? You could work very hard against the odds and build a career based on personal integrity and the earned trust of the public, but that takes more than ten minutes, so it's never been a popular option amongst American journalists.

The alternative is simple, and requires only a brief and permanent shedding of one's dignity. First you choose an ethnicity you've heard of, then change your name to something vaguely persuaded by that ethnicity, then beat out actual members of that ethnicity for jobs they deserve infinitely more than you do. The byproduct, if you're Jerry Rivers, is a Latin American journalist named Geraldo Rivera.

At least this is the legend surrounding Mr. Rivera's success, and given his penchant for ruthless self-promotion, I wouldn't be surprised if the actual story were more brutal. Whatever his origin, this supervillain was unleashed on the American public in 1970 and has been battling the forces of good ever since.

Among his most recent atrocities have been the endangerment of American soldiers in Afghanistan (he offered cash to anyone who'd reveal the location of U.S. snipers so he could get a photo) and just this month he was kicked off the battlefield by the Pentagon for drawing a map of U.S. strategy on live television. Also featured on his Greatest Hits collection: the much over-hyped opening of Al Capone's "lost vault" which ended up containing a few copies of Mad Magazine and a Stewart's Root Beer, a phony report from a "friendly fire" incident which was actually happening hundreds of miles away, and late last July he froze all of earth's oceans, crippling the world's commerce for three months.

In 1997 I was an intern on The Geraldo Show, Rivera's now defunct talk show. I quit after two weeks but experienced enough in those brief days to destroy my ability to love. I never met the man in my tenure, and in fact only saw him once as he passed through the interns' office. He seemed to have no idea that we were associated with his show and actually seemed to think he was in the wrong building.

As an intern it was my job to keep any human being, myself included, from coming into contact with or even sharing air with Mr. Rivera. We were taught how to turn away phone calls and respond to letters with one of three preprinted post cards:

1. "Thank you for your letter. Unfortunately Mr. Rivera is too busy to respond."

2. "Thank you for your request. Unfortunately Mr. Rivera does not host boat shows."

or

3. "Thank you for the lock of hair. Unfortunately Mr. Rivera is not seeking a sweaty romance at this time."

You wouldn't think the third one would come into play very often, but you'd be wrong. The mail Geraldo received on those few spring days I was in his office was so tragically desperate and embarrassingly personal that I felt dirty for reading it. Women proposed to him. Men proposed to him. And many of both enclosed photos. Personal photos. OK, I'm gonna be sick. I'll be right back...

That's better. And it wasn't just disgusting sexual advances. People in all states of desperation reached out to Geraldo for salvation. A burn victim scratched out a hand-written appeal crying "YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE, MR. RIVERA!!" He also included photos. I asked one of the producers what to do with such a letter. I was told it was "too heavy" for the show and this poor man got postcard #1.

Speaking of the show's producers, they are the reason I so hastily quit. A successful talk show like Geraldo has between ten and twenty producers, each less human than the last. They inhabit smoke-filled cubbyhole offices with locked doors and tinted windows, each plotting the demise of another. Each is assigned a show segment and must complete it fast and furious to beat out the other producers and get on the show.

I was given over to a particularly gorgonesque woman named Lipschitz or something who asked me to perform what she called a "typical intern duty." I was to call another of the show's producers, a man two offices away, and announce myself as a student from Columbia University who happened to be doing a research paper on the same topic as a segment he was preparing (was he to think I frequented the "Geraldo Producers Watchdog" chatroom on IRC?). I would get him to answer a few questions, thank him for his help, relay the information to Ms. Lipschitz, she would produce the segment faster, and the original producer would find himself on the writing staff of Family Feud.

When I refused to comply, I was given a very melodramatic speech about what it took to make it in "the business" (the business of being one of Geraldo Rivera's thirty eight producers?). It was like a clip from a bad Michael Mann film (so, a Michael Mann film). I stood my ground, and they were decent enough to try and find other work for me, but I decided not to return after one more shift.

My adviser back at school was disappointed in me. He believed that I could have been a positive force of change at the show had I stayed. He also faithfully reads Ziggy. For a while I actually did wonder if I had chickened out. But looking back across the moral landscape of my life and knowing what we all know now about Geraldo, I feel just fine about my decision. It's one of the all-too-rare moments in my life where I took a stand for something important.

Now, had they paid me, this might be a very different story... "

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14 posted on 02/07/2005 3:44:55 PM PST by granite (WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?)
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To: Former Military Chick

Wouldn't suprise me if Geraldo had done bad things to puppies as a little boy.


15 posted on 02/07/2005 3:45:30 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: dead
"Here's my tip to those of you who wonder what to think about Geraldo - He's an idiot. Always. All the time. Sometimes things that sound like they make sense fall from his mouth. It's an accident. He's an idiot. All the time. An idiot.

I hope this clears things up."

It clears things up only until some folks here see Geraldo masquerading as 'Super Patriot' with the troops (that is when he's NOT drawing troop movement maps in the sand, or pretending he's been under attack)...

Then all is forgotten of a man whose credentials is best described as a human cartoon character.

16 posted on 02/07/2005 3:46:44 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Former Military Chick

Jackson is a sick, pedophile freak. He will make a fine wife for someone in prison.


17 posted on 02/07/2005 3:48:24 PM PST by Astronaut
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To: F16Fighter
" Geraldo Rivera is the 'Enquirer' of news reporters."

Don't you think Fox is #1 because they give a little bit for everybody?

They aren't deliberately trying to lessen audience counts by appealing only to sane people.

There are plenty of whore masters out there that will listen to Whorealdo "Capone Vault" Rivera. ;)

18 posted on 02/07/2005 3:52:52 PM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Former Military Chick

One would think that chair to the head he took a few years back would have knocked some sense into him.......


19 posted on 02/07/2005 3:54:06 PM PST by granite (WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?)
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To: Mad Mammoth

I caught the giggle, and perhaps you are right, thanks.


20 posted on 02/07/2005 3:59:01 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: cyncooper

I wish there was a free transcript but FOX does not offer that. Geraldo was getting a great deal of coverage over the weekend, almost all other cable news channels were citing the interview on their own program.

Discussing whether Geraldo crossed the line from fair and balanced to a private cheerleader. Of course those that hate Gerlado will look away, why bother with him and those who support him will never find him in the wrong.

It just does not do any service to the jury pool when you do these interviews.

I can tell you, when it comcerns Ms Cosby, her voice has me feeling the nails on a chalkboard and I cannot escape that feeling.

She was not fair, not at all. To not combat the KKK issue was down right unethical, but, I do not know even if they know what type reporters these 2 are -- for me -- they have lost that credential.


21 posted on 02/07/2005 4:03:17 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: G.Mason
"Don't you think Fox is #1 because they give a little bit for everybody?"

Naah. They were #1 without the one-man circus named "Geraldo."

"There are plenty of whore masters out there that will listen to Whorealdo 'Capone Vault' Rivera. ;)"

True, but I imagine part of the appeal of Whoraldo is his schlock, and the chance that as a potential train wreck, he's liable to jump the track at any moment.

22 posted on 02/07/2005 4:14:30 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: granite
"One would think that chair to the head he took a few years back would have knocked some sense into him......."

If only he had a brain...

Geraldo was the kid who jumped off the garage roof with a Superman cape after shooting down eight straight Cokes.

23 posted on 02/07/2005 4:20:23 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: OldSmaj

Looked like a freakin' cat who caught a mouse. Watched about 2 minutes and said to myself: "Self..this is trash." Then shut the TV off! Geraldo...wow...desperation. He just goes from one tabloid story to another doesn't he?


24 posted on 02/07/2005 4:20:48 PM PST by cubreporter (.)
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To: Former Military Chick; cyncooper

This is a disgrace! I would think that Jackson's mother would be opening herself up to a slander charge by saying that the DA's kids are in the KKK. Rolling my eyes here.

Sheesh. And that dang Rita ... letting a guest get away with that crap.


25 posted on 02/07/2005 4:26:44 PM PST by Peach
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To: ishabibble

okdokie, I am not sure if your kidding (my dad said I missed the laughing stuff when they were handed out).



I know the fair and balanced is a slogan. But, you know, when they cross the line then they should put it out front. I mean that he is using his show to get PRO coverage for the Jackson case. It does make me wonder cuz his viewers just can't be the same as Brit's.

At the least Jackson should be found guilty of child endangerment for allowing them in his bed. That is wrong, would Geraldo want his kids sleeping with Jackson, oops he had answered it .. YES.

rolling my eyes in the heartland


26 posted on 02/07/2005 4:33:42 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick
Katherine Jackson lives in never-neverland,as opposed to Neverland Ranch. She had some heavy revisionist history going on in that interview. Joe Jackson abused her and the all the children in that family. They even showed it in the family approved biography. I believe this is where the root of the problem began. She can lie to herself all she wants, but the Jackson family has learned to play the race card with the best of them. But I guess that when you meal ticket is on the line you'd better say that he is just trying to reclaim the childhood he lost. Poor woman just did not see the irony of that statement, her husband's back breaking pursuit of the big time is what lost it for him. But then again she is a Jehovah's Witness so self delusion is part of her make up. Sheesh!!!

Geraldo had better be careful, I respect him for his support of the military personnel in Iraq, but he is going to jump the shark on the Jackson case. As I have said before his credibility will be a lot further in the dungeon after MJ is sentenced to prison. It will make the contents of Al Capone's vault look positively like Pulitzer Prize winning journalism. I hope his resume is up to date. I doubt he would be able to get a job anyplace other than ET after that brown nosing put up job.
27 posted on 02/07/2005 4:36:25 PM PST by MKM1960
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To: gulfcoast6
What do you expect from a guy who had sex with Liza Manelli in the bathroom of Studio 54? ....... or anywhere for that matter?
28 posted on 02/07/2005 4:38:00 PM PST by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: granite
Geraldo: I'm Geraldo rivera. And now, It can be told.

<First part of the program includes comments and interviews with Emmanuel Goldstein, Krista Bradford, Cliff Stoll, Phiber Optik, Winn Schwartau, and other bit players. Focus of discussion is on hacking as "terrorism" and generous film and news clips of terrorism and war scenes interwoven amongst discussion of dangers of hackers to national security. We pick up the dialogue when Don Ingraham (Alameda County (Calif.) prosecutor and Craig Neidorf (former editor of PHRACK) join in>

Geraldo: Joining us now via satellite from Oakland, CA is the Assistant District Attorney Don Ingraham ... for Alameda County and he has been prosecuting computer hackers for years.

<Don is in the TV box, between Geraldo and Craig [KL]>

Geraldo: Don, how do you respond to the feeling common among so many hackers that what they're doing is a public service; they're exposing the flaws in our security systems?

Don: Right, and just like the people who rape a coed on campus are exposing the flaws in our nation's higher education security. It's absolute nonsense. They are doing nothing more than showing off to each other, and satisfying their own appetite to know something that is not theirs to know.

Geraldo: Don, you stand by, Craig as well. And when we come back we'll hear more from prosecutor Ingraham and from, I guess his archrival here, the Mad Hacker Craig Neidorf.

<Commercial>

Geraldo: We're back with Craig Neidorf, a former University of Missouri student who ran a widely distributed electronic newsletter for computer hackers. He is so proud of being America's Most Wanted computer hacker that he has put together this very impressive scrapbook.

<Geraldo holds up a colorful scrapbook..On the left page shows a lightning bolt hitting what looks to be a crown [Knight Lightning] ...And on the right it looks like a graphic saying "Knight Lightning" and below that is a black circle with a white lightning bolt, and next to that is a triangle that looks very similar to the triangle with an eye that appeared on the cover of _GURPS_Cyberpunk_ [which said in it, the book that was seized by the Secret Service! see page 4...- but the one on KL is illegible]>

Geraldo: Knight Lightning I guess that was your code?

KL: It was my editor handle.

Geraldo: That's your handle. OK. And from Oakland, CA we are talking with the Assistant District Attorney Don Ingraham, who is hard driven, you might say, to put people like Craig behind bars. Don, do you think Craig's lucky that he's not behind bars right now?

Don: Yes, I think he's extraordinarily lucky. He was part of a conspiracy, in my opinion, to take property that wasn't his and share it with others. They charged him with interstate transport of stolen property - couldn't make the threshold -and it came out that it had been compromised by, unfortunately, released by another Bellcore subsidiary. But was certainly not through any doing of HIS that he is a free man.

Geraldo: So you think that his activities stink, then.

Don: Absolutely. No Question about it.

Geraldo: Craig, you wanna respond? Are you doing something for the greater good of society?

KL: Well I was merely publishing a newsletter. I didn't go out and find this document. Rather it was sent to me. In many ways it could be compared to Daniel Ellsberg sending the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times.

Geraldo: Do you figure it that way Don? Is he like Daniel Ellsberg?

Don: No, Ellsberg went to court to deal with it. Daniel Ellsberg's release of the Pentagon Papers is the subject of a published court decision to point out it was a matter of national security and national interest. The E911 codes, which is the citizen's link to the police department are not a matter of national security. They're a matter of the central service to the community.......

Geraldo: You broke into the 911 system? He broke into the 911 system!

KL: No, that's not correct. I never entered any 911 telephone system.

Don: I didn't say he entered into it. What I said was that he and Riggs conspired together to take a code that they knew was necessary to 911 and to take it apart to see how it worked. They never had the owner's permission, they never asked for it.

Geraldo: Alright, lemme ask you this....

KL: The court found that there was no conspiracy here.

Geraldo: You were acquitted. You were vindicated at least from criminal responsibility. Lemme just quickly ask you this: hackers have been inside the White House computer.

KL: Yes they have.

Geraldo: And they've been inside the Pentagon computer.

KL: Yes.

Geraldo: And if Saddam Hussein hired some hackers whether they're from Holland or any other place, he could've gotten into these computers, presumably.

KL: Presumably, he could've.

Geraldo: And gotten some valuable information.

KL: It's definitely possible.

Geraldo: And you still think hackers are performing a public service?

KL: That's not what I said. I think that those kind of activities are wrong. But by the same token, the teenagers, or some of the people here that are not performing malicious acts, while they should be punished should not be published as extreme as the law currently provides.

Geraldo: You're response to that Don?

Don: I don't think they're being punished very much at all. We're having trouble even taking away their gear. I don't know one of them has done hard time in a prison. The book, Hafner's book on _Cyberpunk_, points out that even Mitnick who is a real electronic Hannibal Lecter ... did not get near any of the punishment that what he was doing entitled him to.

Geraldo: <laughing> An electronic Hannibal Lecter. OK, stand by, we'll be back with more of this debate in a moment...

<commercials>

Geraldo: Back with Craig Neidorf and prosecutor Don Ingraham. Craig, do you think hackers are voyeurs or are they potentially terrorists?

KL: I think they resemble voyeurs more than terrorists. They are often times looking at places where they don't belong, but most hackers do not intend to cause any damage.

Geraldo: Do you buy that Don?

Don: If they stopped at voyeurism they would be basically sociopathic, but not doing near the harm they do now. But they don't stop at looking, that's the point. They take things out and share them with others, and they are not being accountable and being responsible as to whom they are sharing this information. That is the risk.

Geraldo: Can they find out my credit rating? I know that's not a national security issue, but I'm concerned about it.

Don: Piece of cake.

Geraldo: No problem.

Don: Assuming....

Geraldo: Go ahead. Assuming I have a credit rating...hahahah....

Don: Assume that the credit is not carried by someone who is using adequate security.

Geraldo: But you think Craig it's not problem.

KL: I think it's no problem.

Geraldo: Give me quickly the worst case scenario. Say Abu Nidal had you working for him.

KL: I'm sorry?

Geraldo: Abu Nidal, notorious .....

KL: As far as your credit rating?

Geraldo: No, not as far as my credit rating.. The world, national security.

KL: Well, hackers have gotten into computer systems owned by the government before. At this point they've never acknowledged that it was anything that was ever classified. But even some unclassified information could be used to the detriment of our country.

Geraldo: Like the counter-terrorist strategy on January 15th, the day of the deadline expired in the Persian Gulf.

KL: Perhaps if Saddam Hussein had somehow known for sure that we were going to launch an attack, it might have benefited him in some way, but I'm really not sure.

Geraldo: Don, worst case scenario, 30 seconds?

Don: They wipe out our communications system. Rather easily done. Nobody talks to anyone else, nothing moves, patients don't get their medicine. We're on our knees.

Geraldo: What do you think of Craig, quickly, and people like him?

Don: What do I think of Craig? I have a lot of respect for Craig, I think he's probably going to be an outstanding lawyer someday. But he is contributing to a disease, and a lack of understanding ethically, that is causing a lot of trouble.

Geraldo: One word answer. As the computer proliferate won't hackers also proliferate? Won't there be more and more people like you to deal with?

Knight Lightning: I think we're seeing a new breed of hacker. And some of them will be malicious.

Geraldo: Some of them will be malicious. Yes, well, that's it...for now. I'm Geraldo Rivera.

[End of Program]

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If you look past the obvious sensationalism (hey, what do you expect from Geraldo?) the ''Now It can Be Told'' program on hackers was actually quite good, and quite informative.

However, as expected, the program served to enhance the stereotypes that hackers are always destroyers of information. Words such as terrorist, thief, mad hacker, notorious, sociopath, et al were often substituted for ''hacker''.

>From a hacker's point of view, the show was great. First we see ''home video'' of Dutch hackers hacking into US Department of Defense (military) computers. Emmanuel Goldstein (editor of 2600) is present among them, and describes in-depth what they are doing, and how they are getting into these computers.

The Dutch hackers success rate was astounding! Goldstein says that they "literally picked a computer at random among a list and used various means to get in". First, they fail with a login of guest. Then, they succeeded in gaining superuser privileges with the sync login and proceeded to create a new account under the name Dan Quayle, and gave him superuser privileges.

I thought Emmanuel Goldstein was an excellent defender of the hacker's position, successfully refuting Cliff Stoll's comment that compared hackers to thieves breaking into someone's house (yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn) by stating hackers are not interested in personnel files - they're interested in huge databases and computer systems. Hopefully, (however doubtful) Emmanuel Goldstein has forever put the "breaking into a house" argument to rest.

Next we see a scene that is truly cyberpunk: Japanese Kanji characters in neon colors spread over the screen as we hear a voice say "My handle is Phiber Optik. I'm a computer hacker from the East Coast.", standing on a dimly lit street in the middle of the night. The Phiber Optik portion of the program is interesting, and shows (for the first time?) hacking from a pay-phone with a laptop. (Note: if you freeze-frame at the right moment, you can see Emmanuel Goldstein and a g-man type in sunglasses [??] during this segment.)

Phiber Optik: "The Hacker's goal is to become one with the machine"

The next segment features an anonymous hacker (most likely Phiber) who says "we'd just be coexisting with the other users of the machine" and states once again that hackers are not interested in personal files. We also learn that this hackers has most likely entered the White House systems.

What follows the hacker profiles is a segment on computer-terrorism, which focuses on viruses, interception, ''computer guns'', and eavesdropping.

Emmanuel Goldstein: "The computer is a tool. And any tool can be used as a weapon."

A. Hacker: "I wouldn't so much call it a weapon as an extension of one's own mind;"

This segment somewhat vaguely attempts to separate hackers from terrorists, but since the distinction is not made clear, it is obvious that the makers of the show think that some hackers would qualify under this category. Krista Bradford hints that these activities are done by our own government, as well.

A neat demonstration is given by Winn Schwartau, an information security expert, who demonstrates TEMPEST technology (picking up the radio waves from a monitor, and being able to display what's being typed up to 1.5 miles away). In this fake scenario, credit information is being intercepted. It is most unlikely that hackers would use this type of interception, since it requires a lot of expensive equipment. (In case your interested, the frequency the signal was picked up on is 19.9217)

Intermixed in this segment are clips from Die Hard II (remember, the terrorists take over the airport computers).

The third segment involves a 'debate' between Craig Neidorf (Knight Lightning of Phrack fame) and Don Ingraham, an assistant District Attorney in California. Geraldo informs us that Craig Neidorf is a ''mad hacker'' who is proud of his hacking achievements.

Geraldo holds up an interesting portfolio that CRaig Neidorf has created, which hackers might find interesting, if you can get your hands on it.

Geraldo engages in his usual sensationalism. He wrongly assumes that Craig Neidorf 'broke into' the 911 system. He wants to confirm that hackers have broken into the White House and Pentagon, and tries to put terror into the hearts of the masses. One of the great shames of this program is that the host is nothing more than a sensationalist seeking to get ratings, and doesn't care one bit about the truth, which only serves to further the stereotypes all hackers have been stuck with.

Don Ingraham is there, basically representing the Operation Sundevil opinion. He thinks that hackers have not been punished enough, and that their crimes are very serious. It is obvious that Mr. Ingraham has never even considered for a moment the idea that hackers are only interested in knowledge and most of them would not knowingly harm systems or files. He ought to take a look at the other side before forming his ignorant opinions.

In my opinion, Craig Neidorf does not represent the common hacker as well as he is capable of in this program. But, obviously he was constrained by the format of the show and the ignorance he was forced to deal with on behalf of the host and Mr. Ingraham. He is not given opportunity to explain that not all hackers are malicious, and the subject of hackers informing system administrators of security flaws in their systems is not even brought up.

In summary, the Now It Can Be Told program contained sensationalist aspects that was to be expected. However, from a hacker's point of view it was interesting to see the exploits of other hackers. Most interesting was the cyberpunk atmosphere of Phiber Optik hacking, as well as the home video of the Dutch hackers and their exploits. It was encouraging to hear Emmanuel Goldstein's opinions on hackers and he did well to represent them; he did not make them out to be saints, yet he defended them from the stereotype of being destructive. Cliff Stoll got one or two sentences in, which is all he deserved, IMHO. He only spews out the rhetoric we've all heard time and time again. The segment on computer terrorism was interesting, but not of much use to hackers; the demonstration on eavesdroppping was especially worth watching. The final segment, the 'debate' between Craig Neidorf and Don Ingraham was not as interesting as it could've (SHOULD'VE) been. Geraldo succeeded in disallowing Craig Neidorf to make the points it appeared he wished to make, and Mr. Ingraham succeeded in perpetuating stereotypes of hackers.

Craig Neidorf ended the show by saying "We're seeing a new breed of hacker." And if you look past the obvious sensationalism of Now It Can Be Told, that new breed of hacker was well profiled.


29 posted on 02/07/2005 4:56:25 PM PST by granite (WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?)
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To: Former Military Chick
Dear FMC:

The "King of Pop" should be hanging off a gallows for what he has done to young boys. I am not kidding.

Rita is a flashy bit of tripe, Geraldo offers something more...and that's why I watch those silly programs. Geraldo has more substance than people realize, which is not to say that he isn't a world class jerk! Forget Rita, she's that woman in Animal House, the one who ended up as a tour guide at Universal. Take a look and then see if you disagree!
30 posted on 02/07/2005 5:14:44 PM PST by ishabibble
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To: MKM1960

Exactly, his credibility will be lost. He will blame the sentence on a bunch of old white folks. I offer that he will make it a race issue in the months to come.

A ticking time bomb for Geraldo.


31 posted on 02/07/2005 5:23:55 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: OldSmaj
Geraldo sucks, period.

ditto that

32 posted on 02/07/2005 5:31:47 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Former Military Chick
A ticking time bomb for Geraldo.

I didn't see the entire thing, but the part I saw certainly does indicate that that's exactly what this is.

He's going to be ruined, IMO. It most cases where the plaintiff screams everybody's lying but me, they're not.

33 posted on 02/07/2005 5:36:51 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: MKM1960

I believe that Katherine Jackson IS the problem; she knows everything and has let it all go on for all these years.


34 posted on 02/07/2005 5:39:24 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Howlin

Geraldo expressed his support of Jackson. Thinks he is being rail roaded by a scam artist and does not see anything wrong with Jackson's affection for boys in his bed.

Dunno, if it will ruin Geraldo seems that all who go this road find reincarnation.


35 posted on 02/07/2005 5:42:09 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: F16Fighter
" ... I imagine part of the appeal of Whoraldo is his schlock, and the chance that as a potential train wreck, he's liable to jump the track at any moment."

Excellent point.

36 posted on 02/07/2005 5:42:47 PM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Former Military Chick

It wasn't just enough that he questioned the DA's case, he actively spoke against it -- and supported Jackson wholeheartedly.

It's his now; and he's going down with Jackson. He was so effusive in his spoke defense there is no way he can back off of it now.

It made me so sick I was thinking that I can't wait to see the end and the look on his face.


37 posted on 02/07/2005 5:44:33 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Howlin

GERALDO RIVIERA. Born in New York City, New York, U.S., 4 July 1943. B.S., University of Arizona, 1965; JD. Brooklyn Law School, 1969; postgraduate work at University of Pennsylvania, 1969; attended School of Journalism, Columbia University, 1970. Married 2) Edith Bucket "Pie" Vonnegut, 1971; 3) Sherryl Raymond, 1976; 4) (divorced); 4) C.C. Dyer, 1987; children: Gabriel Miguel, Isabella. Member of anti-poverty neighborhood law firms Harlem Assertion of Rights and Community Action for Legal Services, New York City, 1968-70; admitted to New York Bar, 1970; in television from 1970, beginning at Eyewitness News, WABC-TV, New York City. Host of numerous television specials. Member Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund; Puerto Rican Bar Association. Recipient: Smith fellowship, University of Pennsylvania, 1969; 7 Emmy Awards; 2 Robert F. Kennedy Awards; Peabody Award; Kennedy Journalism Award, 1973, 1975. Address: Geraldo Investigative News Group, 555 West 57th St, New York, NY 10019.


38 posted on 02/07/2005 5:48:04 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Howlin

unless there is some bombshell evidence against Jackson - the odds of convicting him are small in my opinion. americans are starstruck when it come to celebrities. if a jury voted to acquit jayson williams, the new york nets basketball star who shot his limo driver, in the face of blatant evidence and testimony, any celebrity with a top notch legal team, can walk.

the only chance at justice in this case - was missed when he did not commit suicide right after the disclosure of the criminal allegations.


39 posted on 02/07/2005 5:53:16 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I am not sure; all the talking heads I've seen say he's in BIG trouble.

I tend to laugh and agree with your last remark; because you and I both know that if he is acquitted, he'll do it again.


40 posted on 02/07/2005 5:55:51 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Jerry Rivers must be a bit light in the old loafers himself ................


41 posted on 02/07/2005 6:56:34 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Jackson will walk. No doubt about it. The MSM (and Geraldo) are convinced he is innocent and will do all they can to make sure he is freed of suspicion and exonerated. Look at all the thousands of people bused in to cheer Jackson's every move. It's OJ all over again with massive MSM coverage and the inevitable "not guilty" verdict.


42 posted on 02/07/2005 8:05:16 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: All

I have to say, I was pretty disgusted by that Gerlado-Jackson love fest. Geraldo is a tool, a tabloid reporter who should quit Fox and go write for the Weekly World News or start a 24 hour network for news about the British royal family. That's his speed. He had his nose so far up Jackson's ass... well.. nevermind...it's soo sick and depraved to even make a joke out of.

Bones


43 posted on 02/11/2005 12:01:10 PM PST by Bones75
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