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1 posted on 02/08/2005 2:38:43 AM PST by LibWhacker
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I'm surprised that Manson is not on this list. I think he'd have to be included. If you've ever seen any interviews they've done with this guy there is not a grain of remorse whatsoever in his body. He'll tell you that he didn't kill enough people before they caught him and if he ever gets out he'll kill again. I think Manson is the poster child for evil.


2 posted on 02/08/2005 2:48:16 AM PST by MadAnthony1776 ("liberalism" = "do as I say, not as I do")
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Ah, the New York Times discovers what Christians and Jews have known for thousands of years: evil exists. How novel.


3 posted on 02/08/2005 2:55:14 AM PST by livius
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Anti-life, anti-freedom..."may be" wakeup call?


4 posted on 02/08/2005 2:58:48 AM PST by PGalt
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In the real world, the grim images coming out of Iraq -the beheadings by Iraqi insurgents and the Abu Ghraib tortures, complete with preening guards - suggest how much further people can go when they feel justified.

And it was at this point I concluded I need read no further.........BS meter on full tilt!

5 posted on 02/08/2005 3:03:09 AM PST by bullseye1911 (Natural Selection = the weak and stupid die!)
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"Most psychiatrists assiduously avoid the word evil, contending that its use would precipitate a dangerous slide from clinical to moral judgment that could put people on death row unnecessarily and obscure the understanding of violent criminals."

Heaven forbid that we should call a spade a spade. There is evil in the world because the Evil One so desires to attempt to thwart the designs God has made. But, of course, these people don't believe in God or Satan, either.


7 posted on 02/08/2005 3:13:58 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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Just about everyone has committed evil acts," said Dr. Robert I. Simon, a clinical professor of psychiatry at Georgetown Medical School and the author of "Bad Men Do What Good Men Dream."

That's what they'd like us to believe, I'm sure, as it excuses their malignant narcissism. But not everyone has committed evil acts. Far from it.

8 posted on 02/08/2005 3:41:54 AM PST by Peach
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Dr. Simon considers the notion of evil to be of no use to forensic psychiatry, in part because evil is ultimately in the eye of the beholder, shaped by political and cultural as well as religious values. The terrorists on Sept. 11 thought that they were serving God, he argues; those who kill people at abortion clinics also claim to be doing so. If the issue is history's most transcendent savages, on the other hand, most people agree that Hitler and Pol Pot would qualify.

This statement is the crux of the problem in modern society. People tend to fudge the word and acts of evil. If I help an elderly or handicapped person across the street, I have no reason to hide my actions. And while most people may not do the act, the majority would approve of the act. Likewise for something simple and nice as giving a seat to someone or holding open a door. However, any act that must be done in secret so that society does not find out is the the start of evil. If we cannot - as a society - totally agree that some actions are evil and some are not, or agree on the concept of evil, than Satan is laughing. The elderly couple from Florida just arrested I believe in Idaho, for torturing the children they adopted - this doctor from the quote above would not say they are evil? The author Dean Koontz, tends to write about evil characters and one in particular was the main villian in his book Intenisty. The best line in the book, which has stayed with me for years, is near the end when the protaganist states there is no reason for human evil, only excuses. We make too many excuses for evil acts these days and it will come back to bite us all.

9 posted on 02/08/2005 4:08:41 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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There are some animals that need to be denied oxygen.


11 posted on 02/08/2005 4:35:24 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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its use would precipitate a dangerous slide from clinical to moral judgment

Isn't guilt or innocence more a moral judgment than a clinical one anyway? And even if guilt admits of some degree of clinicality, isn't the sentence itself devoted solely to the moral dimension? So why the fear?

12 posted on 02/08/2005 4:42:33 AM PST by IronJack
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Most violent criminals are psychopaths but not all psychopaths grow up to be criminals. You can be different from every else and still do a tremendous of damage as a shady lawyer, a con artist, or a crooked politician. As for the truly evil - well its difficult to describe a clinical term that fits their depravity.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

13 posted on 02/08/2005 4:45:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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The article shows just how ignorant of Biblical teachings the author and these researchers are. There are over 300 references to evil in the Scriptures. Most refer to EVERY person, because the sinner is an evil-doer in the eyes of a holy God. You don't need to be a Manson or a sadistic child molester to merit God's punishment as an evil-doer. Without Jesus, we are all condemned. Because of Jesus, we can repent and "go, and sin no more," in His words. Forgiven, we can enter heaven. Don't compare yourself to Charles Manson as your moral standard. Compare yourself to Jesus. It keeps you humble.


15 posted on 02/08/2005 4:49:24 AM PST by kittymyrib
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Among themselves, a few forensic scientists have taken to thinking of these people as not merely disturbed but evil. Evil in that their deliberate, habitual savagery defies any psychological explanation or attempt at treatment.

Oh please, so if I humanely kill people I'm not evil. Anyone who murders should be killed. If they were disturbed perhaps that should be noted for the sake of their family but that shouldn't change their punishment.


17 posted on 02/08/2005 5:02:46 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: shrinkermd

you may be interested in this.


19 posted on 02/08/2005 5:08:27 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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In the real world, the grim images coming out of Iraq -the beheadings by Iraqi insurgents and the Abu Ghraib tortures

How anyone can continue reading this beyond the above statement is beyond me. They are drawing a moral equivalence between beheading and putting panties on someone's head, having a dog leash around their neck, having a dog bark at them or stacking them up in a naked human pyramid.

Write wrong or indifferent, I refuse to read this tripe beyond that statement.

20 posted on 02/08/2005 5:08:45 AM PST by Malsua
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Reading another thread I saw this picture -

And immediately thought of this -

As part of an extensive, in-depth interview, a trained examiner rates the offender on a 20-item personality test. The items include glibness and superficial charm, grandiose self-worth, pathological lying, proneness to boredom and emotional vacuity.

What do you people think? Maybe? Could be?

21 posted on 02/08/2005 5:23:43 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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