PA TV: Goal is Israel's Destruction

IMRA ^ | 2-8-05 | Itamar Marcus & Barbara Crook

[SJackson]

PA Religious leader: Goal is Israel's Destruction By Itamar Marcus & Barbara Crook

Introduction

The Palestinian Authority, in its Arabic messages to its people, has always denied Israel's right to exist and has often presented the peace process as a tactic leading to Israel's destruction.

This goal was repeated Friday, on the Palestinian Authority television, in the official sermon. Senior religious figure, Ibrahim Mudyris, explained that the limitation of the diplomatic process is that it can only achieve the 1967 borders, and that at a latest stage the Palestinian Authority will achieve its goal, the destruction of Israel: "the way Muhammad returned there as a conqueror".

The following is the text of the Friday sermon, February 4, 2005:

Preacher- Ibrahim Mudyris:

"We do not love any land more than the land of Palestine. Had the Jews not expelled us from it with their plains, their tanks, their weapons, their treachery around us, we would never leave you, Oh Palestine". (Quotes Muhammad who promised he would return to Mecca as a conqueror). "We tell you Palestine, we shall return to you, by Allah's will, We shall return to every village, every town, and every grain of earth which was quenched by the blood of our grandparents and the sweat of our fathers and mothers. We shall return, we shall return. Our willingness to return to the 1967 borders does not mean that we have given up on the land of Palestine. No! We ask you: Do we have the right to the 1967 borders? We have the right. Therefore, we shall realize this right with any mean it takes. We might be able to use diplomacy in order to return to the 1967 borders, but we shall not be able to use diplomacy in order to return to the 1948 borders. No one on this earth recognizes [out right to] the 1948 borders [before Israel's existence]. Therefore, we shall return to the 1967 borders, but it does not mean that we have given up on Jerusalem and Haifa, Jaffa, Lod, Ramla, Natanyah [Al-Zuhour] and Tel Aviv [Tel Al-Rabia]. Never.

We shall return to every village we had been expelled from, by Allah's will. Why? All the international laws deny the Palestinians their real borders. We might agree, but in the name of Allah, our grandfathers' blood demands that we return to them [the borders]. Your father's blood was shed there, at the villages, at Ashqelon, at Ashdod, at Hirbia [a village between Gaza and Ashqelon, where Kibbutz Zikim is located today] and at others places, hundreds of villages and towns. [Their blood] demands it from us, and it shall curse anyone who will concede a grain of earth of those villages. Our approval to return to the 1967 borders is not a concession for our other rights. No!... this generation might not achieve this stage, but generations will come, and the land of Palestine... will demand that the Palestinians will return the way Muhammad returned there, as a conqueror".

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[SJackson]

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[sarah_f]

Goal is Israel's Destruction

And Bush is giving them .35 BILLION.

That US nuke is coming very soon.

[Para-Ord.45]

PLO Charter: Article 1: Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation. ( Visit any PLO webiste and view the PLO "map" of their "homeland".)

Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine(Israel). Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase.

Article 15: The liberation of Palestine(Israel), from an Arab viewpoint, is a national (qawmi) duty and it attempts to repel the Zionist(Jews) and imperialist aggression against(USA) the Arab homeland, and aims at the elimination of Zionism(Jews) in Palestine(Israel).

Article 22: Zionism(Jews) is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism(USA) and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world. Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland.

Article 23: The demand of security and peace, as well as the demand of right and justice, require all states to consider Zionism(Jews) an illegitimate movement, to outlaw its existence, and to ban its operations, in order that friendly relations among peoples may be preserved, and the loyalty of citizens to their respective homelands safeguarded.

The Oslo accords to repeal the destruction of Israel was never ratified by the palestinian national council.The 1996 vote by the PNC only referred the issue to committee.

[Bushbacker]

I don't understand the constant posting of these anti-US policy blurbs about the Arab-Israeli conflict...what difference does it make if the Palestinians attack Israel as a weak little state or an occupied territory?

In either
case, Israel will crush them, and I am sure Abbas knows that, even if Arafat was blind to it.

Pm the other hand, if statehood works, then Israel relieved of the burdern of occupation and the US has a major problem off its plate!

Therefore, give Abbas a chance to show that's he's not a new Arafat.

The alternative is permanent occupation of an increasingly large and hostile Arab population, because there's no way for Israel
to annex the land.

[USF]

Hamas says it's not bound by a Palestinian ceasefire

[thoughtomator]

The current strategy isn't a viable alternative, either. It's time to consider repatriation of the non-native Arab population of Israel (a term in which I include Gaza, Judea, and Samaria).

[SJackson]

I don't understand the constant posting of these anti-US policy blurbs about the Arab-Israeli conflict...what difference does it make if the Palestinians attack Israel as a weak little state or an occupied territory?

What's anti US about the transcript of anti-Israel incitement that Abbas is pledged to stop? We'll soon see if he's serious. If he doesn't, per US policy, they'll never be a state.

[SJackson]

The Oslo accords to repeal the destruction of Israel was never ratified by the palestinian national council.The 1996 vote by the PNC only referred the issue to committee.

And that wouldn’t have mattered. Per article 33, amending the Charter can only be done by a special session called for that purpose. That session was never called.

The Phased Plan is equally important to the destruction of Israel, it’s importance reiterated by Abbas during the campaign. Particularly Article 2, which calls for the establishment of a combatant state, which we’re doing now, Article 4 which covers pursuing the war from the new “state”, Article 5 which calls for unification with Jordan, peaceful of otherwise, and Article 8 which calls for the final all out assault on Israel by massed Arab forces from the “Palestinian State”.

[sarah_f]

I don't understand the constant posting of these anti-US policy blurbs about the Arab-Israeli conflict

I should think giving .35 Billion more to genocidal arab muslim terrorists -and a state- as a reward for years of Jew-killing would be self-explanatory.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Ping!

[littlelilac]

The Phased Plan is also part of Islamic rules of warfare, same with those so called ceasefires

first of all, any treaty is only good for 10 years, how convenient, assuming you can get anyone to sign on the dotted line in the first place

second of all, once Muslim lands, always Muslim lands, I mean come on Bin Laden was ruminating about losing Spain when the Moors were pushed back out....

next, it is permissible and encouraged to lie to your enemy esp if they are non Muslims

next, Mohammad was no fool, if you can't beat your enemy now, there is no shame in agreeing to a truce and regrouping and trying again when you mustered up the necessary forces.......

Abbas differs from Arafat because he realized Arafat fucked up the progress the Palestinians were making after Oslo into getting a viable state from which to launch Phase II

here is the real kicker though, if the Palestinians had just accepted the British Mandate which was then approved by the UN in 1948, the Arabs by sheer numbers could have overtaken or dominated Israel with a lot less effort.....

I thought jihadists were a patient lot, apparently not.......

[littlelilac]

now here is what I think is the rationale of the US and Israelis thinking, in response to the Phased Plan......

if you give the Pals a viable state and then they attack Israel, it's an act of war not terrorism, so then you can retaliate with full force, not half hearted measures, as an occupying authority

if you give the Pals a state and they elect Hamas as their leadership, that is in effect a declaration of war and again Israel could then use its full arsenal, no more pussy footing around.......

[Convert from ECUSA]

You've got it. That seems to be the pattern over many years.

[Alouette]

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[Nachum]

HUDNA = ceasefire = trojan horse

[Esther Ruth]

"Therefore, give Abbas a chance to show that's he's not a new Arafat."

Imagine someone sitting down across the table from you and asking you to play Russian Roulette. You agree. They hand you the gun, say "You first"! Oh and did I mention they have filled all the bullet chambers, all of them, with a bullet.

[ken5050]

I like your reasoning..There is always the hope that Hamas could evolve from a terrorist force to a political entity. Might take an internal purge..but some Hamas heads might prefer to be attached to working bodies. The leadership have never shown a willingness to die for the cause..One can find some possible parallels in the history of France after WW II..how they dealt with the collaborators..It's not widely studied, or publicized..the French had a free hand..but a great many were executed for treason..with very brief trials..thousands more imprisoned..

[M 91 u2 K]

Remember LEBANON?

Lebanon harbored terrorists and Israel attack and WAS CONDEMNED for attack a Sovereign nation. Reagan sent in Marines and you know the rest.

There are no Palestinian people and never was a Palestinian state. To give legitimacy to them is a defeat for Israel. Once they have a state their is no taking it away from them. The international community will always criticize Israel to think so otherwise is naive.

[Bushbacker]

WWell, that's Bush's policy--and I support him...The US has always been pro-Israel---but we have legitimate worldwide interests in
attempting to deal with the Arabs
and we would like to see a secure settlement in the region so we're
not constantly dragged into conflicts there...don't we have enough problems with Al Quaida, Iran and North Korea?

[reagan_fanatic]

[Their blood] demands it from us, and it shall curse anyone who will concede a grain of earth of those villages. Our approval to return to the 1967 borders is not a concession for our other rights. No!... this generation might not achieve this stage, but generations will come, and the land of Palestine... will demand that the Palestinians will return the way Muhammad returned there, as a conqueror".

There will be no real peace, no matter what documents are signed or who fills the air with flowery rhetoric. Only when Jesus Christ himself returns will peace become reality. Until then, we will continue to suffer through cycles of hope and hopelessness.

[Bushbacker]

What's anti US about the transcript of anti-Israel incitement that Abbas is pledged to stop? We'll soon see if he's serious. If he doesn't, per US policy, they'll never be a state.

____I didn't say it was anti-US...it is anti-Bush administration policy of working with Abbas and attempting to create a two-state solution.

Nut you're correct that the Arabs mmust make genuine moves and can't revert to Arafatism...

But what some people don't seem to undertstand is that you cant expect the Arabs to stop hating the Jews or to stop believing in their hearts that they deserve all of the Palestine...that poison may take generations to dissipate.

Plenty of nations hate each other and yet don't go to war...all that is desired is a pragamtic peace, and an end to the violent conflict.

[M 91 u2 K]

Plenty of nations hate each other and yet don't go to war...all that is desired is a pragamtic peace, and an end to the violent conflict.

How can a pragmatic peace be made when the so called Palies are still firing rockets and mortaring Israel?

[HenryLeeII]

PA TV: Goal is Israel's Destruction

I never realized just how anti-Semitic Pennsylvania really is! But lately I've seen all sorts of these kinds of articles saying PA This and PA That...what's going on in the Keystone State?

[Bushbacker]

How can a pragmatic peace be made when the so called Palies are still firing rockets and mortaring Israel?
2
\___Obviously, this must cease.

But I get the impression here that a two-state solution even with true peace is not desirable...am I wrong? If not, what alternative is proposed? (1) perpetual occupation (2) annexation (3) deportation of the Arabs?

[M 91 u2 K]

ut I get the impression here that a two-state solution even with true peace is not desirable...am I wrong? If not, what alternative is proposed? (1) perpetual occupation (2) annexation (3) deportation of the Arabs?

Peace is desirable. A 2 state solution would be great if the so called Palies were to magically stop hating Jews and we can all hold hands and sing coombayaa!

There are no Palestinians they are all Egyptian and Jordanian Muslims.

Where is this Palestinian state?

According to Palestinian textbooks it encompasses all of Israel.

Second of all Abbas founded Fatah in 1965! Before Israel acquired Yesha(The West Bank and Gaza). From 1948 to 1967 there was no PLO fighting Jordan and Egypt for freedom. Abbas like Arafat is Egyptian. Put that aside

[M 91 u2 K]

Put that aside and you are ignoring history and are doomed to repeat it!

[SJackson]

I didn't say it was anti-US...it is anti-Bush administration policy of working with Abbas and attempting to create a two-state solution....But what some people don't seem to undertstand is that you cant expect the Arabs to stop hating the Jews or to stop believing in their hearts that they deserve all of the Palestine...that poison may take generations to dissipate.

No, it's not anti-Bush policy. One of the first obligations under the Road Map is to cease incitement. It's nearly two years, and this is Abbas' second time round as Prime Minister. Not a thing has been done. Not a TV broadcast pulled, not a textbook changed, not an Iman disciplined. Abbas is continuing the pattern of thumbing his nose at Bush policy. When he changes, then we won't read about it.

Is Condi anit-Bush when she states that a truce isn't enought, the terror network has to be dismantled?

[SJackson]

But I get the impression here that a two-state solution even with true peace is not desirable...am I wrong? If not, what alternative is proposed? (1) perpetual occupation (2) annexation (3) deportation of the Arabs?

Destroy the terrorist infrastructure. It's in the road map, right up at the top, along with ceasing incitement. You might want to read the road map. You'll note most of Israel's Phase I obligations are done.

[missyme]

DO you think this could be the 7 year PEACE treaty we read about in Biblical Prophecy?

[ken5050]

could be...not being flippant..ask me in 7 years and one day....all I know is that it's a far better hope for peace than we've seen in my lifetime, which coincides with Israel's existence..

[missyme]

I'll have to read more about it..Time will tell, but things IMO are gettting a bit strange in the end times equation...

[ken5050]

strange, yes..the Dems describe it more like the old Satchel Paige line.."the light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming at you.."

[Arpege92]

"Hamas says it's not bound by a Palestinian ceasefire."

Oh how convenient for them.

[familyop]

There is no such person of nationality as a "Palestinian" (word from the evil Ancient Roman Empire). There is no such nation as "Palestine." Those who are called "Palestinians" have been sent (and exiled) from many Arab nations for the single purpose of destroying Israel. ...borrowing the following graphic from Yehuda again.

[familyop]

"If not, what alternative is proposed?"

We could send all of the Muslims who are trying to occupy Israel to Britain, given their affinity and all.

[rdcorso]

I get the feeling that our country is being run by a bunch of brain dead fools.I would like to hear them explain to me the reason behind giving money to the Palestinians and others who hate us and even kill us.I could care less if they want to play house with these terrorist but I don't want one cent of my money given to them.If we conducted a study I bet it would show that our government is the biggest funder of terrorist.We should be shooting the terrorist not giving them money to use against us.

[longtermmemmory]

With everyone singing Kumbaya, NOW is the time to be translating what the P.A. is saying to their own people.

Afrafat, their hero, was infamous for saying one thing in english and something totally and utterly contradictory and vicious to his own people.

It think it is very mission critical to keep up the fire to these violent people.

Trust but verify.

[Yehuda]

You're arguing with the uneducated or a supporter of the Arab apartheid aagainst Jews:

Posted by Bushbacker to Mr. Mojo On News/Activism ^ 11/12/2004 12:41:58 AM EST: Arafat (even if he had ulterior motives) was associated with a meritorious cause... "

[AmericanArchConservative]

>>>With everyone singing Kumbaya, NOW is the time to be translating what the P.A. is saying to their own people.<<<

In SPADES!

>>>Arafat, their hero,<<<

...Breaking News: Good news of the day! Yassir Ass - o - fat still room temperature and pushing up weeds! Details at 11...

>>>...infamous for saying one thing in english and something totally and utterly contradictory and vicious to his own people.<<<

It would be quite worthwhile to research video/audio archives and translate all of his addresses before palestinian/arab audiences...publish the results for a wide US audience, thus fully exposing the duplicity many of us have long known existed.

Not that the Lefties will do other than deny it and continue to lionize him as a heroic "freedom fighter"...overshadowed only by Castro, Ted Kennnedy, and Moammar Gh/Kh/Qadafi...

>>>It think it is very mission critical to keep up the fire to these violent people.<<<

Hmmm, yes...I'm thinking a critical mission including one or two of those new "high-tech" incendiary bombs the US has "field tested" - somewhere over Ramallah. I think that should keep the "home fires" crackling...LOL!!

>>>Trust but verify.<<<

How about just verifying what we cannot trust them on? And how much!

[Salem]

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