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Both Coasts of Americas Seen Vulnerable to Tsunamis (We're ALL Gonna DIE !!! Alert)
Reuters ^ | Tue, Feb 08, 2005 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 02/08/2005 8:26:56 PM PST by presidio9

Both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the Americas are vulnerable to tsunamis like the one that devastated Indian Ocean shorelines in December and experts said on Tuesday they are scrambling to try to get warning system in place before politicians lose interest.

"It's not if but when," said Laura Kong, director of the International Tsunami Information Center run by the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission and the United Nations (news - web sites) Educational, Scientific and Cultural organization.

She and other experts want to use momentum from the Dec. 26 Indian Ocean tsunami that killed or left missing nearly 300,000 people to press for a global warning system.

Experts have been trying since a tsunami hit Chile's coast in 1960, but the disasters occur so infrequently that it is difficult to keep the attention of governments, she said.

The magnitude 9 earthquake off the coast of the Indonesian island of Sumatra lifted the sea floor 15 feet and displaced trillions of gallons of water, causing the monster wave that swamped coastlines as far away as Somalia.

The quake registered right away, but it took several hours for instruments to show just how large it was, Kong told a news conference arranged by the Smithsonian Institution (news - web sites)'s magazine.

"What they didn't have information on was whether a real tsunami had been generated," she said. There were no underwater monitoring stations to measure the displacement of water.

There are such stations in the Pacific, where 85 percent of tsunamis occur, but not in other vulnerable areas.

George Maul, a professor of Oceanography at the Florida Institute of Technology, has been trying to organize a tsunami warning system for the Atlantic and Caribbean for years.

THREATS FROM VOLCANOES

There are several active Caribbean volcanoes that could set off an inundating wave, he said. There are also active zones in the Canary Islands off the coast of Africa and off the coasts of Spain and Portugal that could generate tsunamis.

The best protection, he said, is a program to inform people about the warning signs of a tsunami so they can flee.

In January U.S. officials said they would spend $37.5 million over two years to set up new deep-sea warning systems aimed at giving near-total coverage for the U.S. coastline.

"We estimate that within 100 km (50 miles) of the coastline globally, there will be 600 million more people by 2025," Maul said.

The best system may be based on old air-alert sirens, said Timothy Walsh of the Washington Department of Natural Resources. He foresees a system of loudspeakers on poles hooked directly into the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's weather warning system.

Many communities will have to be evacuated within half an hour or less of a big quake in the Northwest's Cascadia subduction zone, but roads could be damaged.

"The evacuation will have to be made by foot and right away," said Walsh.

It might also be possible to build earthquake- and tsunami-proof buildings, tall enough to survive inundation and strong enough to survive the battering they would take.


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1 posted on 02/08/2005 8:26:56 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
It was nice knowing you all... :(

John in Boston

2 posted on 02/08/2005 8:28:01 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Darkwolf377

Stop clowing around. This is both hugh and series.


3 posted on 02/08/2005 8:29:12 PM PST by presidio9 (We're Americans. We've been kicking ass for 200 years. We're ten and one.)
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To: presidio9

As a resident of the state of Kansas (KCMO metro area), I am deeply concerned about a tsunami washing me away.


4 posted on 02/08/2005 8:30:29 PM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: presidio9
I'm glad I live in Cleveland. No Tsunamis are coming off our lake.
5 posted on 02/08/2005 8:30:36 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: presidio9

I really don't feel comfortable discussing this til I read the whole piece. I'm gonna print it out.


6 posted on 02/08/2005 8:31:15 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: presidio9

We're talking Blue States, right?


7 posted on 02/08/2005 8:31:54 PM PST by Rudder
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To: xrp
I guess I better start worrying about a tsunami coming off the Chattahoochee River . . .

My parents live on the GA coast, but what the outer bar doesn't catch the tidal rivers and inlets and islands should . . . assuming this happens any time soon . .. which I kinda doubt.

(Why don't we worry about the New Madrid Fault, just for a change of pace?)

8 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:23 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: xrp
If one washes you away, I will be deeply concerned!


9 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:32 PM PST by null and void (God must love stupid people - He made so many of them... (Not enough to win an election!) -restornu)
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To: presidio9

If it makes it over the Rockies I deserve to die. I'm gonna worry about that damned volcano up in Yellowstone it's too close for comfort.


10 posted on 02/08/2005 8:32:33 PM PST by dljordan
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To: null and void

Unquestionably Bush's fault...


11 posted on 02/08/2005 8:33:20 PM PST by presidio9 (We're Americans. We've been kicking ass for 200 years. We're ten and one.)
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To: presidio9

Reuters politically correct egalitarianism now even extends to the world's oceans. After all, they don't want to just single out the Indian Ocean. That would be oceanic discrimination.


12 posted on 02/08/2005 8:33:25 PM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: CzarNicky
Nicky, as I am a native Pittsburgher, I will politely refrain from all comments regarding anything coming off of Lake Erie in the Metro Cleveland area...

Boy, am I a good sport or what?

13 posted on 02/08/2005 8:34:33 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (FreeMartha)
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To: AnAmericanMother
(Why don't we worry about the New Madrid Fault, just for a change of pace?)

Odd that nobody worries about Charleston, South Carolina getting leveled by an earthquake again. Can't remember a thread I've even seen a mention of it. People are too obsessed with Yellowstone, etc.

14 posted on 02/08/2005 8:36:05 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Darkwolf377

I've read that they travel 600 miles per hour and also that when you see one coming that if you walk fast you can get far enough inland before it reaches shore to be safe. ???


15 posted on 02/08/2005 8:36:15 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: bayourod

They only travel 400+ miles per hour in the deep (miles deep) open ocean. They're not even noticeable when they're moving that fast.

They travel about 40 mph when they're hitting land. Too fast to outrun, still.

However, if you start walking or running inland when you see the water rapidly recede preceeding the tsunami, in most cases in most locations you'll be safe.


16 posted on 02/08/2005 8:37:55 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

1886? My great grandparents were there at the time. Apparently it was a big mess, but not too many folks were killed. Lot of chimneys fell down though.


17 posted on 02/08/2005 8:39:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: dljordan
If it makes it over the Rockies I deserve to die. I'm gonna worry about that damned volcano up in Yellowstone it's too close for comfort.

I love 1,000 feet above the water. Not too worried about Tsunamis but the Yellowstone volcano is another matter.

18 posted on 02/08/2005 8:39:44 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: bayourod
The most interesting video of the recent tsunami showed the pure power of the thing, and it's not in some Hollywoos spectacular way. The waves coming in looked like any old wave--they just kept going. The clip I've got shows what looks like the water simply RISING all at once, not on one point like a cresting wave or something, but like the whole ocean suddenly gained mass. I don't think you can run from it unless you know ahead of time it's coming. If you're SEEING it approaching, you ain't gonna outrun something as big as what you describe above.

I don't really care, though. If I lived my life looking out for everything that could possibly kill me I wouldn't do anything.

19 posted on 02/08/2005 8:41:37 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Strategerist

Don't you understand that they are going to hit both coasts simultaneously? I'm telling you: WE'RE SCREWED.


20 posted on 02/08/2005 8:42:12 PM PST by presidio9 (We're Americans. We've been kicking ass for 200 years. We're ten and one.)
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To: Strategerist

If you listen to the radio and hear that there is an earthquake or a volcano out there, head for high land. Whatever you do, if you are on a beach and the tide goes way out rapidly, do not follow it out!


21 posted on 02/08/2005 8:44:06 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Then I'll say it. A tsunami coming off of lake Erie would actually make the city dirtier.
22 posted on 02/08/2005 8:49:21 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: presidio9

I was OK until I read your post.

If I see the tsunami, I'm just going to dive in.


23 posted on 02/08/2005 8:49:37 PM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: presidio9

Man, if you think that's terrifying, you should check out this threat I read about today. It's this thing called "natural causes" and scientists are saying there's a high likelihood it could wipe out most people on earth in the next hundred years. We're all gonna die, I'm telling ya'!!!


24 posted on 02/08/2005 8:51:06 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: exit82

big time body surfing (choose any floating body)


25 posted on 02/08/2005 8:55:36 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: presidio9
Many communities will have to be evacuated within half an hour or less of a big quake in the Northwest's Cascadia subduction zone, but roads could be damaged.

"The evacuation will have to be made by foot and right away," said Walsh.

Ummmmm......let's see here: Roads damaged, any bridges in my area? (yes, lots), 30 minutes to save my a$$, now I have to "evacuate by foot" - run my a$$ off.

Yep, I need more options.

LVM

26 posted on 02/08/2005 8:55:42 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Political head butting is nothing compared to tectonic plate head butting.)
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To: presidio9

don't forget the south coast, if the gulf has a quake, its drenched.


27 posted on 02/08/2005 9:06:28 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: presidio9; All

Interview:

Simon Day, Ph.D., Visiting Associate Research Geologist from University College, London, now in the Department of Earth Sciences, University of California - Santa Cruz, California: "At some stage in the future, La Palma might do the same. After a series of eruptions in each of which it moves a little bit, it could eventually collapse catastrophically and produce a landslide of a few hundred cubic kilometers, taking away the whole side of the volcano and dumping it into the ocean as a landslide. That's what would then generate the giant tsunami waves.
 
 

Cumbre Vieja Volcano Collapse Could Produce Mega-Tsunamis
20 to 55 Yards High On North and South American East Coasts

YOUR COMPUTER MODELING SHOWS THAT THE TSUNAMI COULD BE AS HIGH AS 55 YARDS (165 feet) IN BRAZIL.

You have to remember that the tsunami will be very much larger near the source and will then as it spreads out from a few very large waves into a series of smaller waves, it will diminish in height as it crosses the ocean. Then, of course, as tsunamis do, it will build up again on the other side. But the sorts of heights that the computer model is predicting for the Eastern seaboard in the United States, Canada and the Caribbean and for northern Brazil are in that sort of range ­ several tens of meters high as a maximum value.

IF SOMETHING WERE 55 YARDS, WHICH IS OVER 150 FEET, THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST A 15-STORY BUILDING.

Yeah, it's that sort of size. Following events in the Indian Ocean, we'll now have a comparison which is the tsunamis there ­ the La Palma collapse would produce a tsunami at least a few times larger in terms of wave heights than the tsunami in the Indian Ocean was. (Those very high waves) would be very close to source, but what we're talking about is the height of the wave as it reaches the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. So, along a much greater length of seaboard.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW YORK, BOSTON, WASHINGTON, D. C. ­ WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE LARGEST POPULATION CORRIDORS IN THE UNITED STATES.

That's correct. I think one of the lessons from the Indian Ocean tsunami is just how much damage a tsunami can do when it strikes a densely populated coast line and particularly, those cities on the eastern seaboard that face the ocean directly. They would potentially be under very considerable threat from such a wave.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY 15-STORY-HIGH TSUNAMI ON RECORD FROM ANYTHING HAPPENING IN THE CANARY ISLANDS OR THAT AREA IN THE PAST?

Not in human historical record, because the last collapse of this type that occurred in the Canary Islands occurred at least 15,000 years ago, and perhaps much longer than that. But in terms of the geologic record, there have been a number of these volcanic collapses in the Canaries and also into other island groups in the Atlantic, like the Cape Verde Islands which are further south than the Canaries. So, in terms of the geologic record, these things are not unprecedented at all. [snip]
                             -- from  http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=851&category=Science
 

28 posted on 02/08/2005 9:06:46 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Journalists ... almost always screw up science stories." -- Charley Reese)
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To: presidio9

Just wait until the YELLOWSTONE SUPERVOLCANO erupts.

You won't be safe in the interior of the USA either.

http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm


29 posted on 02/08/2005 9:15:46 PM PST by spinestein
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To: Strategerist; AnAmericanMother
(Why don't we worry about the New Madrid Fault, just for a change of pace?)

Odd that nobody worries about Charleston, South Carolina getting leveled by an earthquake again. Can't remember a thread I've even seen a mention of it. People are too obsessed with Yellowstone, etc.

It just does not happen often enough in your area. Short attention span, etc.

The bad news is that when it does happen - obviously it has, and will again - your area is on a solid plate, as opposed to broken pieces parts out here in the west.

The Charleston quake was felt well up into the NE, Chicago even.

The New Madrid "event" was the 'end of the world', as people then thought. And rightly so. Major tremors for 2 - 3 days, altered the course of the river, wow.

Still visible evidence of that "event" to this day.

Should the same type "event" happen today, the loss of life / destruction would be staggering.

I'm not pretending to be the oracle here, I just look at the USGA quake stuff on a regular basis. Most activity is out here in the west. But if you look back east, there is enough activity to let one know - things are moving.

LVM

30 posted on 02/08/2005 9:17:36 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Political head butting is nothing compared to tectonic plate head butting.)
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To: FreeKeys

Note to self:

Do NOT Start threads like this after 11:00PM Eastern time...

31 posted on 02/08/2005 9:19:43 PM PST by presidio9 (We're Americans. We've been kicking ass for 200 years. We're ten and one.)
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To: presidio9

LOL !


32 posted on 02/08/2005 9:24:48 PM PST by FreeKeys (WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!!!!)
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To: presidio9

Well, I'd rather that God just stuck a crowbar in the Delaware River and pried New Jersey off into the bottom of the Atlantic where it belongs... but if a tsunami is what it'll take, fine, I guess.

Qwinn


33 posted on 02/08/2005 9:28:27 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn

If a tsunami actually hits, don't expect the world to help out. For all our charity, the US has only fair weather friends.


34 posted on 02/08/2005 9:35:27 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: presidio9

It looks like Reuters never got over their disappointment that the world did not end on midnight 2000.

They've predicted 10,000 of the last ten disasters the world has experienced.


35 posted on 02/08/2005 9:35:40 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: presidio9

36 posted on 02/08/2005 9:46:49 PM PST by BJungNan (Please stand by while I think up a new one...)
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To: presidio9

The good part is, of course, that if tsunamis hit the baby-killer-blue coast states, they will be able to take comfort in the knowledge that the disasters were caused by W's position on global warming.


37 posted on 02/08/2005 9:58:00 PM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Wish America Ill!")
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To: presidio9

Both the east and west coasts are in danger of tsunamis because,,,


IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 02/08/2005 10:09:55 PM PST by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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To: presidio9
Both Coasts of Americas Seen Vulnerable to Tsunamis

This is obviously part of Rove's plan to squelch dissent.

39 posted on 02/08/2005 10:18:56 PM PST by Once-Ler (Beating a dead horse for NeoCon America)
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To: presidio9
Actually the MIssissippi River had tsunamis in 1811-1812. Even it reversed its course for a few hours when one quake hit. Here's an account of one of the quakes:

Friday, January 31, 1812
THE EARTHQUAKE


Extract of a letter from a gentleman on his way to New Orleans, to a friend in this place (Lexington, Ky.) - dated 20th December.

"We entered the Mississippi on the morning of the 14th, and on the night of the 15th came to anchor on a sand bar, about ten miles above the Little Prairie - half past 2 o'clock in the morning of the 16th, we were aroused from our slumber by a violent shaking of the boat - there were three barges and two keels in company, all effected the same way. The alarm was considerable and various opinions as to the cause were suggested, all found to be erroneous; but after the second shock, which occurred in 15 minutes after the first, it was unanimously admitted to be an earthquake. With most awful feelings we watched till morning in trembling anxiety, supposing all was over with us. We weighed anchor early in the morning, and in a few minutes after we started there came on in quick successions, two other shocks, more violent than the former. It was then daylight, and we could plainly perceive the effect it had on shore. The bank of the river gave way in all directions, and came tumbling into the water; the trees were more agitated than I ever before saw them in the severest storms, and many of them from the shock they received broke off near the ground, as well as many more torn up by the roots. We considered ourselves more secure on the water, than we should be on land, of course we proceeded down the river. As we progressed the effects of the shock as before described, were observed in every part of the banks of the Mississippi. In some places five, ten and fifteen acres have sunk down in a body, even the Chickasaw Bluffs, which we have passed, did not escape; one or two of them have fallen in considerably.

See http://www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Center/SEISMICITY/Nuttli.1973/nuttli-73-app.html
40 posted on 02/08/2005 10:48:19 PM PST by w6ai5q37b
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To: Strategerist
Odd that nobody worries about Charleston, South Carolina getting leveled by an earthquake again. Can't remember a thread I've even seen a mention of it. People are too obsessed with Yellowstone, etc.

Oddly enough, I mentioned Charleston as an earthquake zone back on December 31, 2004 in #55 of http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311428/posts?page=55#55

41 posted on 02/08/2005 10:55:08 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: Paul_Denton

"I love 1,000 feet above the water."

4000 more feet and you can join the mile-high club.


42 posted on 02/08/2005 10:59:36 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

LOL typo.


43 posted on 02/08/2005 11:00:21 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: xrp

"As a resident of the state of Kansas, I am deeply concerned about a tsunami washing me away."

Folks on the coasts are more worried that one of them tornadoes of yours will mosey on out their way.


44 posted on 02/08/2005 11:02:33 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Paul_Denton

I was gonna ask how you maintain your altitude. Real tall chandelier? :-)


45 posted on 02/08/2005 11:03:51 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: w6ai5q37b

And then there was that shark that some how found it's way all the way up to St Louis (as I recall). I think that is why Cahokia got abandoned--a shark infestation.


46 posted on 02/08/2005 11:05:24 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: Larry Lucido

No, live on a hill.


47 posted on 02/08/2005 11:08:54 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: presidio9

Bush's fault of course.


48 posted on 02/08/2005 11:10:16 PM PST by grizzly84
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To: Paul_Denton; Larry Lucido

Not in a Love Shack I hope.


49 posted on 02/08/2005 11:14:27 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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