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FBI Looking At Nov. Vote Tampering (Clermont County, OH)
WCPO.com ^ | 2/9/05

Posted on 02/09/2005 1:24:43 PM PST by mom4melody

FBI Looking At Nov. Vote Tampering

RELATED WCPO STORY

New Dispute Over November Election Results (2/2/05)

Reported by: 9News Web produced by: Mark Sickmiller Photographed by: 9News 2/9/2005 3:21:23 PM Questions about vote tampering in Clermont County have attracted the attention of the FBI.

Agents are now interviewing members of the Clermont County Board of Elections.

The allegations center on the use of stickers to cover incorrect markings on the ballots in November.

Some witnesses to the recount say they saw stickers placed over the bubbles next to Senator John Kerry's name, but never President Bush's name.

The Board of Elections director says his staff did everything by the book.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: desperatedems; stealingelections; votefraud; voterfraud

1 posted on 02/09/2005 1:24:44 PM PST by mom4melody
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To: mom4melody

Quick! Call Keith Olbermann!


2 posted on 02/09/2005 1:25:36 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is Clermont County Ohio, east of Cincinnati.


3 posted on 02/09/2005 1:29:42 PM PST by mom4melody
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To: mom4melody

So, what's going on? someone was trying to eliminate Kerry votes by putting stickers over Kerry's bubble on the ballot?


4 posted on 02/09/2005 1:29:44 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: mom4melody

What does it mean? Is the allegation that they favored Bush or Kerry? I get the impression that they favored Kerry, else this would be on CNN not the South Cincinnati Effort.

Makes a case for electronic voting machines.


5 posted on 02/09/2005 1:30:50 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: mom4melody
Here we go...

Any numbers on how much Bush won by, and how many votes Kerry would have needed to overcome Bush's win?

7 posted on 02/09/2005 1:31:12 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: mom4melody

Start with King County, Washington, the site of the coup d'etat seizing power from Governor Rossi.


8 posted on 02/09/2005 1:32:47 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: mom4melody

"Some witnesses"


The usual unnamed suspects.


9 posted on 02/09/2005 1:32:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: mom4melody

Just crap. Clermont County is very conservative. There is no need to fool around, just sour grapes. Look to Cleveland and other lib centers.


10 posted on 02/09/2005 1:33:02 PM PST by Recon Dad (Bulls**t)
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To: mom4melody

I'd be interested in seeing how the ballots were designed.

The reason I asked is that a friend in Memphis said she ALMOST voted for Kerry by accident because his name was first on the ballot. I've heard of other ballots where not only Kerry was listed first, but President Bush was listed even after lesser known candidates.

Basically, knowing the design of the ballot might explain a larger number of "oops" markings for Kerry initially when the voter meant to vote for Bush.


11 posted on 02/09/2005 1:33:53 PM PST by KJC1 (Liberals are to America what undertows are to swimmers)
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To: Recon Dad

http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/battleground.asp


Quick call the MSM. LOL


12 posted on 02/09/2005 1:34:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Yeah, this crap would be a lot more tolerable if they first went and looked in places where the vote was much closer, like WI going to Kerry (with much more believable evidence of vote fraud), and PA, which I think may have had a closer margin of victory for Kerry. And, as you say, the outright fraud by the 'Rats in the WA state governor's race. Cripes, 129 votes stolen in broad daylight in a flawed hand recount, and they're willing to let that slide in favor of chasing rainbows in a state where the margin was 120,000? What a bunch of idiots.
13 posted on 02/09/2005 1:41:02 PM PST by chimera
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I interpreted it the same way. If someone goofed while trying to vote for Kerry, they covered the goof so it would not be thrown out and Kerry would get the vote.


14 posted on 02/09/2005 1:41:19 PM PST by doug from upland (I would trust Stevie Wonder to give me a ride before I'd trust Ted Kennedy)
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To: mom4melody

It would take a pretty L-O-N-G time for someone to paste 113,000 stickers over Kerry's name to change the course of this election. I wonder if Kerry even got 113,000 votes in Clermont County.


15 posted on 02/09/2005 1:46:43 PM PST by randita
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To: Corporate Law

bttt


16 posted on 02/09/2005 1:48:41 PM PST by timestax
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To: mom4melody

the only sticker I saw that day was a BUSH/CHENEY sticker ( the small size) stuck on the wall of the elevator....I , um, don't know who in the world stuck it there.


17 posted on 02/09/2005 1:50:41 PM PST by timestax
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To: mom4melody

Why the hell doesn't the stinking FBI come out here to Ukraine County, WA and interview these communists out here who screwed up the election for governor????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


18 posted on 02/09/2005 1:54:23 PM PST by RetiredArmy (America will NEVER be free as long as we have Democrats.)
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To: RetiredArmy

bttt


19 posted on 02/09/2005 1:55:47 PM PST by timestax
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To: randita

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

Clermont
Bush, George W. Republican 62,949 70.67%
Kerry, John F. Democratic 25,887 29.06%
Badnarik, Michael 149 0.17%
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 89 0.10%
Cobb, David Keith-WI 4 0.00%
Zych, Thomas F.-WI 1 0.00%
Duncan, Richard A.-WI 0 0.00%
Harris, James -WI 0 0.00%
Parker, John T.-WI 0 0.00%
Schriner, Joe -WI 0 0.00%
Precincts Reporting: 100.00% 89,079


20 posted on 02/09/2005 1:59:48 PM PST by Libertarian444
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To: Libertarian444

bump


21 posted on 02/09/2005 2:00:32 PM PST by timestax
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Whatever Bush advantage this stunt produced was likely wiped out several times over by dead people voting two or three times for Kerry. I think this is something the Jesse Jacksons and the Keith Olbermanns and the Barbara Boxers of the world don't recognize -- vote fraud can be found in a lot of places, but it is predominantly found in heavily Democrat areas designed to help Democrats.


22 posted on 02/09/2005 2:10:18 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: Libertarian444
Zych, Thomas F.-WI 1 0.00%

Wow. Thank goodness we didn't have to endure the inauguration of President Zych.

23 posted on 02/09/2005 2:11:24 PM PST by My2Cents ("Friends stab you from the front." -- Oscar Wilde)
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To: West Coast Conservative

bump


24 posted on 02/09/2005 2:12:48 PM PST by timestax
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To: mom4melody

New Dispute Over November Election Results

Reported by: Becky Freemal
Web produced by: Mark Sickmiller
Photographed by: 9News
2/2/2005 5:03:50 PM

The presidential election has been over for a while, but allegations of election fraud continue.

Attorneys are looking into concerns centering around the use of stickers to cover markings on ballots in Clermont County.

The questions came up during a December meeting - that's when witnesses to the re-count say they brought up their concerns before the Clermont County Board of Elections.

One witness says he saw stickers placed over the bubbles next to the names of John Kerry and John Edwards. But, he says he never saw any stickers placed over the bubbles next to President George Bush or Dick Cheney.

However, Dan Bare, the director for the Clermont County Board of Elections, tells us those stickers were in fact used over Bush-Cheney bubbles as well.

Bare says since 1995 the county has placed stickers on any extra markings on ballots that may throw off the count.

"I have to say the stickers were used in a discriminatory manner becuse there were many ballots we saw with what could be called extraneous marks for Kerry, that weren't covered," said Bob Drake, who witness the recount.

Dan Bare says he wants to make it clear he stands by his staff, and says they did everything by the book.

Attorneys know the election is certified but are looking into the sticker concerns hoping any irregularities are fixed before another election.


25 posted on 02/09/2005 2:19:31 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: mom4melody

More evidence that the FBI is still controlled by clintonoids in the top echelons and that Bush has done NOTHING to clean it out. They are starting to deal with the mess in the CIA, but the FBI is completely untouched.

Nothing wrong with investigating Republican shennanigans, but I'm disturbed that that has been virtually the only thing that has been investigated. The same was true in Florida, where they are STILL investigating charges of obstructing black voting way back in 2000 but have done nothing to look into Democrat vote packing.


26 posted on 02/09/2005 2:19:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: xzins

Bob Drake, lawyer, University of Cincinnati math professor, Democrat.

Give me the word of someone trustworthy.


27 posted on 02/09/2005 2:30:02 PM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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To: timestax

Thanks for the bump. There is no fargin' way Kerry would have won that county, this is a farce. Like someone said above, check Cuyahoga first if they are that interested in irregularities.


28 posted on 02/09/2005 2:37:35 PM PST by Corporate Law (<>< -- Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: thoughtomator

I don't know which part of it is worse - "lawyer", "University of Cincinnati", "professor", or "Democrat". All are evil in their own way (speaking as a lawyer).


29 posted on 02/09/2005 2:40:49 PM PST by Corporate Law (<>< -- Xavier Basketball - Perennial Slayer of #1 Ranked Teams)
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To: Corporate Law

Also he apparently was a public school teacher for many years. Might top all of the above.


30 posted on 02/09/2005 2:43:30 PM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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To: mom4melody

I thought Republican precincts didn't allow "witnesses"


31 posted on 02/09/2005 2:49:28 PM PST by digger48
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To: thoughtomator

Who is Bob Drake?

Is he in another article?


32 posted on 02/09/2005 2:57:11 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Cicero
More evidence that the FBI is still controlled by clintonoids in the top echelons and that Bush has done NOTHING to clean it out. They are starting to deal with the mess in the CIA, but the FBI is completely untouched. Nothing wrong with investigating Republican shennanigans, but I'm disturbed that that has been virtually the only thing that has been investigated. The same was true in Florida, where they are STILL investigating charges of obstructing black voting way back in 2000 but have done nothing to look into Democrat vote packing. 26 posted on 02/09/2005 5:19:57 PM EST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)

D I T T O !!

33 posted on 02/09/2005 7:02:03 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax

bttt


34 posted on 02/09/2005 7:06:52 PM PST by timestax
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To: pocat

back to the top


35 posted on 02/09/2005 8:21:08 PM PST by timestax
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To: Ryan Ruck

back to the top


36 posted on 02/09/2005 8:51:57 PM PST by timestax
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To: FormerACLUmember

Arte you kidding? The FBI has a policy of not investigating corruption in the state of Washington.


37 posted on 02/09/2005 8:53:58 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Libertarian444

Thanks, so even if ALL Kerry's votes had stickers over them, it still wouldn't be enough. And there were less than 113,000 total votes in Clermont for president.


38 posted on 02/09/2005 9:18:00 PM PST by randita
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To: mom4melody

ah, but enhancing ballots after the vote is just peachy keen.......which was done in Kink county in Washington......


39 posted on 02/09/2005 11:42:55 PM PST by cherry
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To: pocat

bttt


40 posted on 02/10/2005 8:48:30 PM PST by timestax
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