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New Genetics Study Undermines Gay Gene Theory
http://www.drthrockmorton.com/article.asp?id=128 ^ | February 9, 2005 | Warren Throckmorton, Ph.D. & Durwood Ray, Ph.D.

Posted on 02/09/2005 4:28:55 PM PST by dcnd9

A study to be published in the March 2005 issue of the journal Human Genetics, and available online now, actually undermines the commonly held view that homosexual orientation is determined by genetic factors.

The study’s lead author Brian Mustanski from University of Illinois at Chicago said in a UIC news release that "There is no one 'gay' gene. Sexual orientation is a complex trait, so it's not surprising that we found several DNA regions involved in its expression."

However, a thorough examination of the actual report reveals no statistically significant findings for any of these DNA regions.

The authors describe in the article three non-X chromosomal "new regions of genetic interest” (7q36, 8p12, and 10q26). In the authors’ view, a noteworthy aspect of the study as follows: "Our strongest finding was on 7q36 with a combined mlod score of 3.45 and equal distribution from maternal and paternal allele transmission. This score falls just short of Lander and Kruglyak's (1995) criteria for genomewide significance." They go on to say "two additional regions (8p12 and 10q26) approached the criteria for suggestive linkage" - again pointing out that neither was statistically significant.

Thus, even the author’s “strongest finding” was not statistically significant by widely accepted scientific criteria.

The study also reexamined potential genetic contributions on the X chromosome from region Xq28. This is the region first identified by Dean Hamer as associated with homosexual orientation. However, this study re-analysis, to quote the authors, “did not find linkage to Xq28 in the full sample.” Read More@ http://www.drthrockmorton.com/article.asp?id=128

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KEYWORDS: gay; gaygene; genetics; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; newbie; samesexattraction; study; theory
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1 posted on 02/09/2005 4:28:56 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: dcnd9

well duh, just like global warming, it was based on crappy politically enhanced (let's say) "science".....


2 posted on 02/09/2005 4:31:29 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State the 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: dcnd9

If both of the parents of a boy were lesbians, will he be gay?


3 posted on 02/09/2005 4:34:18 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: dcnd9

And this surprises who?


4 posted on 02/09/2005 4:35:28 PM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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To: dcnd9

You mean... *gasp*... it may actually be a chemical imbalance and not an on/off genetic trait???


5 posted on 02/09/2005 4:35:50 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: MikeinIraq

What is your point?


6 posted on 02/09/2005 4:36:03 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: thoughtomator
And this surprises who?

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

7 posted on 02/09/2005 4:36:50 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: dcnd9
Durn it, without a genetic trait to hang homosexuality on, gee, the whole house of cards falls down and you're back to just a lifestyle choice.

Oops. Can't wait for every gay organization to go out of their way to discredit this.
8 posted on 02/09/2005 4:36:58 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: dcnd9

the point is that the "science" that alledgedly proved this was true was politcal and not scientific, just like Global Warming.


9 posted on 02/09/2005 4:37:46 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Ohio State the 2005 NCAA Football champions....assuming they arent on probation!!!!!)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; EdReform

Ping


10 posted on 02/09/2005 4:38:02 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: dcnd9

This is what I thought would happen eventually if not right away. I have always been on the "nurture" side of the aisle. The analogies with a computer are tempting: the speed and memory are built in, but they work with any kind of program.


11 posted on 02/09/2005 4:38:21 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
I have always been on the "nurture" side of the aisle

Even if "Nurture" is actually "Trauma".

12 posted on 02/09/2005 4:42:40 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: bolobaby

Maybe it is actually a choice after all.


13 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:09 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: dcnd9
The queers won't like this.

School Board Member Asked to Resign After 'Ex-Gay' Reference

14 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:29 PM PST by sweetliberty (Blind stupidity or blind loyalty is still blind.)
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To: bayourod
If both of the parents of a boy were lesbians will he be gay?,

Not necessarily.

However it does mean that one of the lesbians is a liar.

15 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:59 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: kingu

"you're back to just a lifestyle choice."

Yup, Christianity is also a lifestyle choice.


16 posted on 02/09/2005 4:47:12 PM PST by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: thoughtomator

Homosexual activity is activity of choice and is not normal behavior.

Anyone with half a brain knows that.

To give someone who indulges in abnormal behavior standing; is ludicrous!


17 posted on 02/09/2005 4:47:42 PM PST by blackie
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To: dcnd9

Dueling science or pseudo-science as the case may be?

Homosexual Researcher Claims Genome Scan Of Sexual Orientation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1335437/posts


18 posted on 02/09/2005 4:48:04 PM PST by Smartaleck (CD "Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience")
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To: dcnd9

Andrew Sullivan isn't going to like this....


19 posted on 02/09/2005 4:48:31 PM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: dcnd9
The homosexual activists and pro-homosexual 'scientists' will have to hurry up and whip up another 'study'...

LOL

20 posted on 02/09/2005 4:51:54 PM PST by DBeers
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To: dcnd9
Every Bubba in Appalachia knows that, and woulda told you for the price of a six pack!

There needs to be AA for homosexuals. One day at a time brother!
21 posted on 02/09/2005 4:52:28 PM PST by MarineBrat ("God is dead"- Nietzsche,1886. "Nietzsche is dead"- God,1901)
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To: DBeers

The Frisco bath houses will be busy whipping up something. :):)


22 posted on 02/09/2005 4:53:35 PM PST by blackie
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To: dcnd9

derp


23 posted on 02/09/2005 4:54:43 PM PST by blackeagle
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To: MikeinIraq
Yeah, I am absolutely SICK of people using junk science to promote an ideology or an agenda. Sick of it, I say!

Unless it is in the "hard" sciences like chemistry, physics, astronomy, or cosmology, I tend to take new "scientific evidence" with a grain of salt these days.

24 posted on 02/09/2005 4:55:41 PM PST by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: blackie

LOL


25 posted on 02/09/2005 4:56:34 PM PST by DBeers
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To: dcnd9
This guy is in a world of trouble.

He will lose his research money,have his integrity slandered, his career threatened, forced to resign, shunned by the scientific establishment, put in a closet and forced to do research on weed eaters or all of the above.

Prayers for him and his family.

26 posted on 02/09/2005 4:57:28 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: dcnd9; EdReform; scripter; PetroniusMaximus; BykrBayb; Clint N. Suhks

ping!


27 posted on 02/09/2005 4:58:22 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: DBeers

Freaks R US! :)


28 posted on 02/09/2005 4:58:23 PM PST by blackie
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

ping


29 posted on 02/09/2005 4:58:28 PM PST by DBeers
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To: scripter; Clint N. Suhks; nicmarlo; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; SweetCaroline
BTTT


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

30 posted on 02/09/2005 4:58:54 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: dcnd9
Homoexuality and genetics, over the years

2005

Homosexual Researcher Claims Genome Scan Of Sexual Orientation (Traditional Values), FreeRepublic
Gay-Affirmative Public School Teachers/Curricula May Influence Brain Maturation In Teens (NARTH), FreeRepublic
On Ducks And Homosexuality (Christian News in Maine - Not Available)
Genes Linked With Male Sexual Orientation Found (Fox News), FreeRepublic
Studies Showing The Relationship Between Childhood Sexual Abuse & Later Involvement In Homosexuality (FreeRepublic)

2004

Ex-Gay Is Ok (NARTH)
Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not 'Born That Way' (FreeRepublic)
Heteroflexible -- or Fauxmosexual? (WebMD), FreeRepublic
'This is the Way God Made Me': A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the 'Gay Gene' (True Origin), FreeRepublic
What About the 'Gay Gene'? An Honest Look at the Evidence (Crosswalk)
Homosexuality: The Essentialist Argument Continues to Erode (NARTH)
Homosexuality is not biologically determined - latest research (Online Opinion (AU)), FreeRepublic
The Animal Homosexuality Myth (NARTH )
Fencing with the NY Times Over Gay Marriage (NARTH )
Expert Gives Powerful Testimony in Defense of the Family (CWFA), FreeRepublic
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic (CWFA)
Gays in Society: The Growing Clash (FHU - Not Available)

2003

Homosexuality: Innate and Immutable? (Regent)
Ad campaigns duel over 'ex-gays' (WorldNetDaily)
'Cure' for homosexuality? (WorldNetDaily)
Study Trumpeted by Health Writer as Evidence that Some Are 'Born Gay' (NARTH)
Of mice and gay men (Grove City College)
Newswriters Represent New Study As Proof Of Biological Basis Of Homosexuality (NARTH)
Homosexuality and Genes: Déjà vu All Over Again? (NARTH)
Can Homosexuals Change? (Eagles Wings Ministry)

2002

The Importance of Twin Studies (NARTH)
The Gay Gene? (Leader U)
The Fading 'Gay Gene' (NARTH)
The Biological Research on Homosexuality (NARTH)
Is There a 'Gay Gene'? (NARTH)
Gay-To-Straight Research (NARTH)
Is Sexual Orientation Fixed at Birth? (NARTH)
Is Homosexuality Genetic? (NARTH)
Homosexual Researchers Debunk 'Born Gay' Urban Legend (Traditional Values - Not Available)
Gender Identity Disorder (Leader U)
Finding a Needle in the Ocean (NARTH)
Facing The Truth About Homosexual Behavior (Traditional Values - Not Available)

2001

The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science (NARTH)
The Gay Gene: Going, Going...Gone (Family Research Council)
A Change In Thinking (Townhall)

2000

What Is 'A Homosexual' (Family Research Institute)
Lust, Violence & Genetics (FreeRepublic)

1999

What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed? (Family Research Institute)
Born What Way? (Family Research Institute)

1995

How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together (NARTH)

31 posted on 02/09/2005 4:59:15 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: dcnd9

That homosexuality is not tied to genetics and therefore the issue is now closed, possibly?


32 posted on 02/09/2005 4:59:44 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: mlc9852

"Maybe it is actually a choice after all."

I think there are two types of homosexuals: those who are biologically homosexual and those that choose to be gay. Allow me to elaborate...

Individuals who are biologically homosexual are hormonally/chemically *different* than heterosexual people. This MAY be caused by the genetic makeup of the individual, but something within their system does not functional normally. The resulting chemical imbalance alters their sexual preferences.

Here's the rub: there are MANY chemical imbalances within the body that we have no problem TREATING (OCD, depression, and even stuff like high cholesterol). Unfortunately, there is some kind of stigma with TREATING homosexual urges. Why? If we could find a pill that could cure beastial or pedophiliac urges, don't you think we'd promote treatment? You bet we would. Why can't we promote treatment for homosexual urges? Even VOLUNTARY treatment? A person with OCD, for example, can determine if the condition is disruptive enough to warrant medication. Why not give homosexuals the same choice?

Speaking of choice, the second type of homosexuality is behavioral choice. Now, some would argue - "Why would anyone CHOOSE to be so radically different? Why would anyone CHOOSE to be discriminated against?" Well, let me offer anecdotal evidence that this is, in fact, a possibility.

My sister played college basketball. She is heterosexual, but there were plenty of lesbians on the team. Simple observation showed that there were two types of lesbians: those that were biologically inclined and those that chose the lifestyle. Why did they choose to go gay? Well... they were big girls... sometimes unattractive. They - like everyone else - wanted to be loved. When it became clear that men weren't really interested, they succumbed to the suggestions of their biologically homosexual teammates. Many of these "by choice" lesbians dabbled in homosexuality until a heterosexual option presented itself. Then, suddenly, they were homosexual no more.

That was enough to convince me that homosexuality-by-choice was real.

So... sometimes it's a choice, sometimes it's a condition that could probably be treated if society would just CONSIDER THE OPTION.


33 posted on 02/09/2005 5:02:46 PM PST by bolobaby
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bump


34 posted on 02/09/2005 5:03:45 PM PST by P_A_I
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To: dcnd9
If they would just rerun the anti- smoking campaign and insert homosexuals into all the ads regulations and laws where the word smoking appears we would all be better off.

Most ever thing would apply.

35 posted on 02/09/2005 5:07:09 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: blackie
Homosexual activity is activity of choice and is not normal behavior.

Yes, that's obvious. The question is regarding homosexual *desire*, and I have a hard time seeing how that's a conscious choice. I never "chose" to prefer brunettes to blondes, I just do.

36 posted on 02/09/2005 5:09:08 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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To: Ignatius J Reilly

Ah but there are significant distinctions. There is NO
scientific proof that the lifestyle choice of Christianity
is undeniably linked to the many diverse diseases and
mental conditions that cannot be divorced from the lifestyle choice of homosexual behavior. i.e Christianity is
not linked ot the spread of Sexually transmitted diseases including HIV AIDS. Neither is Christianity linked to
suicide, drug abuse, domestic violence,etc.SO your shallow
supposition is proven invalid.


37 posted on 02/09/2005 5:11:33 PM PST by StonyBurk
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To: dcnd9

It is good to see that science is still working on finding a cure for this terrible, life destroying disease of homosexuality. Clearly, the disease of faggitude is either genetic or behavioral, perhaps both. Actually, I would have though that researchers would have been driven off (unless they know from the get-go that their findings will be very pro-tinkerbell). The final results will probably show that there will be a genetic "tendency" that surfaces in a child's early years and if the proper "switch" isn't activated the proper way at the proper time, poof, another fairy. Let's find a cure and help these deviants begin to live a normal life!


38 posted on 02/09/2005 5:12:04 PM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Wish America Ill!")
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To: MikeinIraq

The "science" that is often cited is two studies. One was a study of twins where at least one was homosexual. Some twins were reared together, some apart. The person who published the study said it indicated a genetic element. Other scientists said his data indicate homosexuality is a flip of the coin.
The other study is one of cadavers in New York City. A medical examiner there noticed that the pineal gland in cadavers who had been gay was smaller/almost nonexistent. However, he drew no conclusions because his sample size was 9 cadavers. He only published this information to suggest someone ought to study this and see if there's anything to it.


39 posted on 02/09/2005 5:14:50 PM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: ThinkDifferent

So ~ do you own your feelings or do your feelings own you?

Are you a machine or living entity that makes choices.

I say ~ every action that we take in life, we do so by choice.


40 posted on 02/09/2005 5:15:14 PM PST by blackie
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To: blackie
Are you a machine or living entity that makes choices.

Both. I don't "choose" to feel hungry after many hours without eating, for example. Actions can be controlled; many desires and impulses can't.

41 posted on 02/09/2005 5:22:16 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (These pretzels are making me thirsty)
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To: lepton
Even if "Nurture" is actually "Trauma".

Of course. Although I think "marination" is usually more like it, as far as determining fairly unalterable traits.

42 posted on 02/09/2005 5:23:02 PM PST by firebrand
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To: dcnd9

So, if it isn't in their jeans (genes), maybe it's in their panties.

This revelation pretty much explains the rush from the left to embed homosexuals into the Boy Scouts. Get 'em young, while they can be more easily warped.


43 posted on 02/09/2005 5:27:28 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Dems! Show us your exit plans for Germany,Japan, Bosnia ,S. Korea and we'll show you ours for Iraq.)
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To: dcnd9

It may be something else, anomalies in the hormonal bath the fetus is subjected to in the womb. Examples:

1. Girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia. These girls have a much higher incidence of lesbianism, that the general female population. This is preseumably because of the exposure to testosterone during critical periods of fetal development.

2. There have been twin studies of male homosexual. Even when the boys are raised apart, there is an increased incidence of homosexuality in the other twin. This is presumably because of anomalies in the exposure to testosterone in the womb. Some researchers have even postulated the reason is additional exposure to testosterone in the womb, over the general male population. More research needs to be done.


44 posted on 02/09/2005 5:30:20 PM PST by punster
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To: ThinkDifferent

Bull sh*t! If desires and/or impulses cannot be controlled, it is a crime against humanity to define anything that poor helpless humanity does as a crime.


45 posted on 02/09/2005 5:32:06 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Dems! Show us your exit plans for Germany,Japan, Bosnia ,S. Korea and we'll show you ours for Iraq.)
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To: dcnd9
I know a set of IDENTICAL (monozygotic) Twins. One is a Lesbian, the other is not.

Genetics my a$$.

46 posted on 02/09/2005 5:45:19 PM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: ThinkDifferent

I got that you live an uncontrollable life, I don't.

You enjoy yours and I'll enjoy mine.

PS Feeling hungry is not an action ~ eating is an action ~ which you can chose or not chose to do.


47 posted on 02/09/2005 5:47:27 PM PST by blackie
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To: Paradox
Genetics my a$$.

My a$$ is also genetics, photogenetic that is.

What's next? Murderers will be recognized as a life style?

48 posted on 02/09/2005 6:30:02 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: dcnd9

"...so it's not surprising that we found several DNA regions involved in its expression."

Golly did you? Are there?

Men discussing DNA and it's meaning and implications is a bit like a couple of mice coming upon schematics for Apollo 11. "Several regions involved in its expression" indeed! (And it's "not surprising" to boot!)


49 posted on 02/09/2005 6:39:25 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: dcnd9

undermines commonly held view? by who? only homoadvocates.

SERIOUS science has never supported the "born homosexual" view. They might as well say they undermine the commonly held view that people who go out friday nights are "born to party."


How did this study sneak out? The we are family foundation has their pro-homo video tape and all the other pro-homo MSM propaganda that is comming out now. (particularly the previous BS gene study and the other study about using gene manipulation to make homos have "natural" children.)


50 posted on 02/09/2005 6:54:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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