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Russia Says It's Ready to Arm Saudi Arabia
Itar-Tass ^ | February 10, 2005 | Lyuba Pronina

Posted on 02/09/2005 4:29:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Moscow is preparing its first major defense contract with Saudi Arabia, the world's largest arms buyer that has traditionally spent its petrodollars on U.S.-made weapons.

The deal is part of a strategy aimed at diversifying Russia's arms buyers away from China and India, Sergei Chemezov, general director of state-owned arms exporter Rosoboronexport, told reporters Wednesday.

Russia also signed an arms contract with Morocco last month, he said, the first since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Chemezov refused to give any details, but said that Russia is stepping up negotiations with Middle Eastern countries for jointly developing air defense systems on the basis of the domestically produced S-300, Buk and Tor-M1 systems.

"If a contract with Saudi Arabia is signed, it will be a landmark event in Russian arms exporting," said Marat Kenzhetayev, an expert with the Center for Arms Control.

From 1991 to 2002, Saudi Arabia imported $93 billion worth of weapons, Kenzhetayev said, while Morocco imported $1 billion.

In that same period of time, Riyadh signed $40 billion worth of arms contracts, of which $28 billion flowed to the United States and not a penny went to Russia, he said.

After U.S.-Saudi relations dampened following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the situation now seems to be swinging in Russia's favor, Kenzhetayev said.

While Moscow already sells arms to Middle Eastern countries such as the United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Iran, Kuwait and Algeria, a deal with the Saudis could push its neighbors Jordan and Oman to sign Russian contracts as well, Kenzhetayev said.

For Moscow, which sells arms to 59 countries, finding new customers is important as it tries to diversify away from major clients China and India, which account for 80 percent of Russian arms sales.

"We have reached the ceiling of $5 billion to $6 billion in annual arms sales abroad," Chemezov said. "We have to change something drastically."

Last year, Rosoboronexport, which mediates over 90 percent of the country's arms deals, delivered $5.1 billion worth of arms out of $5.8 billion exported by Russia as a whole.

Rosoboronexport has orders of $12 billion through 2007, but Chemezov said that this year Rosoboronexport can expect to make $1 billion less in revenues.

"The reason? Our companies cannot produce more modern weapons. [The industry] is in need of investment either from private companies or from the state," he said. "Today we sell weapons that were designed in the late 1970s and early 1980s."

Rosoboronexport plans to boost control over defense production by placing its directors on the boards of arms makers and buying stakes, Chemezov said.

Chemezov said that all sales are strictly in line with international agreements and do not violate any United Nations sanctions.

"However, if some country, including the United States, makes its own decision [on sanctions], pardon us, we are not obliged to do as America says," Chemezov said.

Last month, Israel and the United States expressed concern about the possible sale of SA-18 surface-to-air missiles to Syria.

Asked whether any such contract was discussed during Syrian President Bashar Assad's recent visit or is planned, Chemezov said: "No."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; geopolitics; middleeast; proliferation; saudiarabia
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1 posted on 02/09/2005 4:29:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; AdmSmith; nuconvert

Russians arm every one who pays them few milion dollars


2 posted on 02/09/2005 4:30:18 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Translation: Saudi Arabia is preparing to do something nasty to the USA and they are changing their principle arms supplier.


3 posted on 02/09/2005 4:30:42 PM PST by PeterFinn (Why is it that people who know the least know it the loudest?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Israel loves destroying Russian hardware.


4 posted on 02/09/2005 4:32:02 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There was a thread on here around two years ago suggesting that we buy the Su-27. Actually made sense. The Russkies don't make great washing machines, but they can make some pretty good planes. ;^)


5 posted on 02/09/2005 4:32:46 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: PeterFinn
I'm glad they're buying Russian arms. Battle tested and guaranteed to fail against us.
6 posted on 02/09/2005 4:33:05 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Now just why would my neighbor sell the crack dealer a
machine gun?


7 posted on 02/09/2005 4:33:06 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

Russia's Military Involvement in the Middle East
By Oksana Antonenko

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2001/issue1/jv5n1a3.html


8 posted on 02/09/2005 4:33:33 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: tet68
Now just why would my neighbor sell the crack dealer a
machine gun?

Because the enemy of his enemy is you?

9 posted on 02/09/2005 4:35:35 PM PST by steveegg (The secret goal of lieberals - to ensure that no future generation can possibly equal theirs.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
t Russia is stepping up negotiations with Middle Eastern countries for jointly developing air defense systems on the basis of the domestically produced S-300, Buk and Tor-M1 systems.

Like the area is not already awash with failed Russian Arms.

If I were the Saudis I would be worried about who was going to fly and shoot those things rather than buying more of them.

The pampered sons of that country are too busy chasing blond western women to actually incur any risk that might accrue to a military person. That runs the risk of having the Terrorists in their midst with a better army than the government.

11 posted on 02/09/2005 4:38:19 PM PST by konaice
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To: broadsword

Ominous.

Something is coming.


12 posted on 02/09/2005 4:38:40 PM PST by Stopislamnow (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Chris_GT

I suspect the Saudi military is all Pakistani, Filipino, and Egyptian...no one of Saudi background would do any of the dirty work...


13 posted on 02/09/2005 4:40:52 PM PST by dakine
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To: Chris_GT

AFAIK, they are well armed with the latest in American ground and air technology, a lot of it sold since Desert Storm. Whether or not they're capable of maintaining it without American aid is another question. It goes without saying that the Israelis won't help them.


14 posted on 02/09/2005 4:42:06 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: PeterFinn
Translation: Saudi Arabia is preparing to do something nasty to the USA and they are changing their principle arms supplier.

Wrong. The proper translation is that the US has told Saudi Arabia that they better clean up thier act and hold elections or the hardware spiggot will be closed tight!

Net effect is the same, they are looking for alternatives - and to some degree, they are probably pretending to look so as to worry the US.

I doubt GWB gives a rip.

15 posted on 02/09/2005 4:42:29 PM PST by konaice
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To: dakine

Now let's see -- let's logic this thing out.

Saudis don't really need arms for anything -- who is their enemy? (other than the Jews). So maybe they are BROKERING arms for one of thier buddies, that nobody would sell to directly (with exceptions as we know) -- how about IRAN ??

Provocative thought!!!


16 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:15 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: viaveritasvita

send article to Capt Davis

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17 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:25 PM PST by viaveritasvita (HOLD THEIR DADGUMMED FEET TO THE FIRE!)
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To: Chris_GT

Their guts turned to water when they thought Saddam was coming for them from Kuwait.


18 posted on 02/09/2005 4:44:29 PM PST by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: PeterFinn

No way, I seriously doubt they have anything planned. The Saudi's are way too dependent upon us to even think about it. They are probably preparing themselves in case we pass some legislation limiting our own arms sales to them.


19 posted on 02/09/2005 4:45:57 PM PST by honest2God
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To: dakine

That's true, the Saudi doesn't really have a military, they have mercenaries. That's why their spending more and more on short range missiles.


20 posted on 02/09/2005 4:47:24 PM PST by honest2God
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To: EagleUSA

Their main enemy IS Iran.


21 posted on 02/09/2005 4:48:15 PM PST by honest2God
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia and France have a lot in common as far as the world stage is concerned. They both had it pretty good for a while (or so they thought), but now they're past it because they can't give up their spent government models. They're both worried about recapturing their former glory and will do anything to grab the attention of other powers provided it's A) a quick and easy way to make money, B) futile, C) insane, or D) just plain stupid.


22 posted on 02/09/2005 4:50:09 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Stopislamnow; marron

"Something is coming."

1. Might not happen.

2. Russia wants to make money.

3. Might be a "scratch my back" deal to dampen Russian oil exports.


23 posted on 02/09/2005 4:50:45 PM PST by Shermy
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To: honest2God

Their main enemy IS Iran.
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I would not bet my life on that...even if appearances might leave that impression...both Iran and SA have a common enemy -- DEMOCRACY.


24 posted on 02/09/2005 4:53:10 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Saudiland needs some kind of defense against Iranian aggression. Let both them and Syria bone up on defensive armaments.


25 posted on 02/09/2005 4:53:17 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: jb6; Destro; MarMema

Ping!


26 posted on 02/09/2005 4:56:15 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Cornpone

LOL!!!!! I love it!!!!


27 posted on 02/09/2005 4:56:17 PM PST by PeterFinn (Why is it that people who know the least know it the loudest?)
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To: Chris_GT

maybe they want to arm their mosques that they have here


28 posted on 02/09/2005 4:57:31 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
The Russkies don't make great washing machines, but they can make some pretty good planes. ;^)

Washing machines are machined to automotive tolerances.

Aircraft are built to much higher tolerances.

29 posted on 02/09/2005 4:59:58 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: PeterFinn
Translation: Saudi Arabia is preparing to do something nasty to the USA and they are changing their principle arms supplier.

Everyone in the world knows American weapons are the best. I'd translate this article like this: Saudi Arabia is running out of money.

30 posted on 02/09/2005 5:00:21 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: F14 Pilot

can ya blame them.........they've got very little besides oil, vodka potatoes and weaponry.......sad state of affairs


31 posted on 02/09/2005 5:01:16 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: dakine

Arabs leaders WANT a weak military...it prevents potential coup attempts.

They spend billions on top quality armaments that rot in the sand.

They have nothing better to do with their money, and it gives them 'prestige.'


32 posted on 02/09/2005 5:01:20 PM PST by Guillermo (Dems: Tax and Spend GOP: Borrow and Spend)
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To: EagleUSA

Its not a matter of appearances, its a matter of fact-with the exception of the U.S. in Iraq, Iran is the dominant military power in the Gulf, and the Gulf Arabs are worried about Iran's bid for regional supremacy. And democracy is not the Saudis' enemy because we aren't going to try to overturn the Saudi monarchy any time soon (until we limit our dependence on their oil). The internal elements opposing the Saudi regime are primarily Islamists and are not really interested in democracy either. SA is one of our biggest long-term foreign policy problems.


33 posted on 02/09/2005 5:01:39 PM PST by honest2God
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To: EagleUSA

at least Iran is not two faced about it.....you never ever know who's side SA is on.....plus they and their Maddrasis (SP?) are the real long term problem


34 posted on 02/09/2005 5:04:10 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: honest2God
I agree, Our midterm Saudi alliance will remain solid until Iran reforms and Iraq flourishes.
35 posted on 02/09/2005 5:10:29 PM PST by sanchez810
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To: F14 Pilot
When I was active duty we had some Saudis and Iranians at our radar school in Great Lakes. Their performance was a little lackluster.

They loved the bars and strip joints in town, though.

36 posted on 02/09/2005 5:15:58 PM PST by exnavy (this space left intentionally blank)
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To: Stopislamnow
Well, Russia armed Iraq to the teeth and even had advisers there while we attacked, and it took us what, one month to spank them?

Russia struggled for eleven years to take Afghanistan and FAILED, and it took us what, two weeks to do the job?

Russia sucks in the military might department. Did you see how grabasstic and befuddled the Russians soldiers looked during the Beslan horror?

I'm not worried about Russia arming Saudi Arabia.

Neither is competent. Neither can be trusted. Neither is our friend.

Both can go pack sand.
37 posted on 02/09/2005 5:17:46 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We'd better do whatever we can to remain the Saudis' supplier...that way if anything happens, we can disable their weapons via remote control. (then again the Russian weapons will probably just disable themselves if ever used in a battle)


38 posted on 02/09/2005 5:19:48 PM PST by montag813
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Evil incarnate dancing with the DEVIL and you thought all we had to worry about was "MESKINS" jumping the fence!


39 posted on 02/09/2005 5:22:58 PM PST by winker
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To: Tailgunner Joe
General Patton wanted to take out the soviet Union near the end of WWII, but wasn't allowed to......sigh.

He should have done it anyway.

40 posted on 02/09/2005 5:23:21 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Liberalism is a terminal disease.......)
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To: Shermy; Tailgunner Joe

The Saudis have never really needed a military, sinec they have always had ours, and they don't really have one now (besides ours). Their massive purchases of arms over the years have just been a way of cementing their relationship with the US, which made some sense when they were worried about Soviet-backed threats to their rule, or later Baathist and Iranian threats.

At this point, though, the only threat to their rule is from other Saudis, so there is little reason to court US protection.

When you think about it, though, what does a country with no military do with massive arms purchases? We have always said they buried it, stockpiled it, in the desert to be used by US brigades who might arrive in an emergency and be immediately supplied from Saudi stocks.

If its buried in the desert, though, who is to say it exists? Who is to say that the "arms purchases" weren't massive bribes which purchased American military protection. Or they were underwriting "off-the-books" enterprises that wouldn't show up in the official budget. It might be significant, then, if Saudi bribes were being diversified to include Moscow's ruling elite. It may simply be a way of expressing some pique, by reducing the payoffs to their former American friends.

I know, I'm crazy.


41 posted on 02/09/2005 5:23:31 PM PST by marron
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To: exnavy
When I was active duty we had some Saudis and Iranians at our radar school in Great Lakes. Their performance was a little lackluster.

They loved the bars and strip joints in town, though.

If they're "devout" Muslims, that should have been a major tip-off that they're up to no good. It seems that Mohammed allows them to begin indulging a bit early if they're about to earn themselves 72 virgins.

Of course, if they're not "devout", it meant nothing.

42 posted on 02/09/2005 5:27:12 PM PST by steveegg (The secret goal of lieberals - to ensure that no future generation can possibly equal theirs.)
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To: Chris_GT

They have spent billions on their military but I would bet the IAF would destroy ninety percent of their air force before they even got a plane airborne. As for the land forces...... Let 'em buy hardware from the Russians. They have neither the will to use it nor the capability to learn how.


43 posted on 02/09/2005 5:35:52 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Tailgunner Joe; F14 Pilot; PeterFinn; Mr. Mojo; ABG(anybody but Gore); Cornpone; tet68; steveegg; ..
Saudis are used to buying off Americans with their money - American leaders being a simple and corruptible lot - They have never had to deal with Russians and their corrupt corruptibility - by that I mean when you think you are buying off Russia - usually Russia is screwing you over - in a good way for them. There is a reason Russians outlasted the Mongols, French, Germans and Communists.

My question to my fellow posters - where was the stink eye when we sold F-15 and main battle tanks to the premier jihad state of murderers? I think the Saudis will soon realize that its cheaper to buy off a US Senator - American politicians have integrity when it comes to tacking bribes.

What is happening is our girlfriend Saudi is making googly eyes at Ivan in the hopes it makes Sam jealous. PS: When should you be worried? When OPEC goes Euro and the Saudi's withdraw their money from American financial institutions (I think they account for a quarter of our economy).

44 posted on 02/09/2005 5:44:12 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

I ask the same question...where's the outrage when we sell them advanced weapons systems?


45 posted on 02/09/2005 5:45:17 PM PST by Guillermo (Dems: Tax and Spend GOP: Borrow and Spend)
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To: Guillermo

You mean the Saudis? I just did.


46 posted on 02/09/2005 5:48:10 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Yes...the US has sold the Saudi's billions of $'s worth of advanced weapons systems...

I don't really care...as the things they buy tend to rust in the desert.


47 posted on 02/09/2005 5:49:28 PM PST by Guillermo (Dems: Tax and Spend GOP: Borrow and Spend)
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To: Destro

I'm still trying to figure out why we sold them AWACS two decades ago. I wouldn't trust that with anybody but the Brits or Israelis, and I'd hedge on the latter.


48 posted on 02/09/2005 5:50:07 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

I find it very funny - they are thinking about buying some arms from Russia - people here go ape and apocalyptic - America sold the Saudis BILLIONS of arms over decades - Do as I say not as I do mentality I guess. Shame on us for selling the Saudis anything of value.


49 posted on 02/09/2005 5:57:24 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: F14 Pilot
Russia's Military Involvement in the Middle East By Oksana Antonenko and Ezekiel

38 & 39

50 posted on 02/09/2005 6:01:22 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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