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Loss Widens at XM Satellite Radio
ABC News / AP ^ | Feb 10, 2005 | SETH SUTEL - AP

Posted on 02/10/2005 1:30:50 PM PST by t_skoz

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To: Sonny M

probably never.


21 posted on 02/10/2005 2:06:41 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: bmwcyle
The more I show XM to people in my GMC Envoy. The more people sign up. XM has made me want to drive for travel again. It will grow.

Same here with my Buick LeSabre. Nice to drive cross country and never lose a station.

22 posted on 02/10/2005 2:07:24 PM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: t_skoz
When we signed up, we paid for two years.

Trips in the car are wonderful, even when we get out of range of local stations, the XM is always there for us. We listen to Fox News, and even CNN. We have our choice of any type of music we want, from Country and Western to Broadway shows.

We love XM.

sw

23 posted on 02/10/2005 2:09:22 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: BJungNan

The attraction is: programming worth listening to.

High-profile AM talk show hosts aside, there is little worth listening to on commercial radio, particularly when it comes to music stations.

XM offers a wide range of music, with huge playlists, that make listening enjoyable again. Plus Fox News and the MLB thing just sweetens the pot.

No, I'm not a subscriber yet, but will be as soon as I buy a new vehicle.


24 posted on 02/10/2005 2:10:15 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: t_skoz

I listen to FOX News on XM for about an hour a day at work, usually just to get Special Report. It's perfect for that. I can even get a perfect signal through the double-thick panes in our commercial high-rise. (although I am facing the right direction...)


25 posted on 02/10/2005 2:13:57 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: t_skoz

They have 3.2 million subscribers and they lost $190 million in 3 months.

This means they're losing $20 per subscriber per month.

I love my XM to death, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how they're supposed to make any money.

One thing they can do is get rid of all the DJ's. If I wanted some yutz to talk over my music, I'd listen to FM.


26 posted on 02/10/2005 2:19:59 PM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: t_skoz
There must be some under-employed accountants from that donut company or the whiz-bang telephone company that can probably fluff these numbers......
27 posted on 02/10/2005 2:21:00 PM PST by pointsal
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

I suspect a good portion of their reported operating expenses is depreciation on their satellites (and related assets). This is a non-cash expense.

On a cash flow basis, they're probably pretty close to break even... which means they can meet their day-to-day expenses. They need to grow their subscriber base by about 5x to throw off sufficient cash to retire their debt. They have some time to do this so long as they can keep the cash flow positive.


28 posted on 02/10/2005 2:27:49 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: LS

>>But I do believe they will be VERY profitable in the future.<<

Well, them or whoever buys their infrastructure if they go TU.

In commercial real estate, sometimes you see a building go up in an apparently great location, but nobody moves in. After a year or so, the owner defaults, it is sold at auction, and the new owner, having much less in the building, rents it out at rates that actually attract tenants.


29 posted on 02/10/2005 2:32:01 PM PST by RobRoy (They're trying to find themselves an audience. Their deductions need applause - Peter Gabriel)
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To: t_skoz

Hope XM sticks through this for a while longer. I was just thinking to myself the other day after reading an ad in an old magazine that I should look into XM.

Dozens of channels of every type of music, talk ,etc. (the ad had 11 or 12 distinct Hard/Alterna/Classic Rock channels alone listed--YEA!), music by decade, music by theme, talk radio, sports, etc. Many of the channels were listed as commercial free, some as unedited (great for comedy and rap); it sure sounds like a winner to me.

If XM hold up for a few more months, I think I'm definately going to join up. Is it really as good as it sounds?


30 posted on 02/10/2005 2:40:34 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 (Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
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To: t_skoz
probably never.

I know Michael Powell wanted assurances from both that they would have interoperability at some point, but he didn't give a time frame.

I assume he put it somewhere in writing.

My guess is still not sure, but it is inevitable.

31 posted on 02/10/2005 2:41:25 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: RushCrush
It's both.
Total loss increased.
Loss per share decreased.
32 posted on 02/10/2005 2:53:10 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: t_skoz

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.


33 posted on 02/10/2005 2:59:28 PM PST by Imal (Saluting SPC Taylor Burk, a genuine hero and true American. d. 1/26/2005)
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To: RobRoy
In commercial real estate, sometimes you see a building go up in an apparently great location, but nobody moves in. After a year or so, the owner defaults, it is sold at auction, and the new owner, having much less in the building, rents it out at rates that actually attract tenants.

The conventional wisdom is that the third owner of a golf course is the first guy to make money.

34 posted on 02/10/2005 3:02:59 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Modernman

That reminds me of a quote from a motivatinal speaker for real estate agents.

It is best to be the first love, second wife and third real estate agent.


35 posted on 02/10/2005 3:13:25 PM PST by RobRoy (They're trying to find themselves an audience. Their deductions need applause - Peter Gabriel)
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04

I love my XM. I have as presets the Christian channels (hard rock, lighter); all decades (70s, 80s, 90s); an older rock station called "deeptracks"; "BPM," which is a tecno dance channel; comedy, and I can go to movie scores or broadway quickly.


36 posted on 02/10/2005 3:34:43 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news (there is no c in Amtrak and no truth in MSM news))
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To: granite

In the article it details it all.

The loss widened in as much XM is still not making money. The loss shrunk in that they're losing less.

Just like how the Democrats play word games.


37 posted on 02/10/2005 4:04:25 PM PST by Bogey78O (Hillary Clinton + Fertility pills + Scott Peterson + rowboat = Success)
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To: t_skoz

They have to slip in commercials into the talkers for the obvious reason that the source has commercials. What are they to do? Give dead air?


38 posted on 02/10/2005 4:06:38 PM PST by Bogey78O (Hillary Clinton + Fertility pills + Scott Peterson + rowboat = Success)
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To: Sonny M

Never. Theoetically you can have one unit that could cover both but since it's a pay service and use two different signals you'd have to have a dual tuner and a licensing agreement.

Never gonna happen.


39 posted on 02/10/2005 4:08:17 PM PST by Bogey78O (Hillary Clinton + Fertility pills + Scott Peterson + rowboat = Success)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

A DJ on satellite radio is worthless really. Outside of compiling a playlist the song announcement is on the LCD.


40 posted on 02/10/2005 4:10:03 PM PST by Bogey78O (Hillary Clinton + Fertility pills + Scott Peterson + rowboat = Success)
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