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Report: Police fail to break into apartment where woman was killed
AP ^ | 2.10.05

Posted on 02/10/2005 10:18:05 PM PST by ambrose

Posted on Thu, Feb. 10, 2005

Report: Police fail to break into apartment where woman was killed

Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA - Police are investigating whether officers acted appropriately when they failed to break into an apartment where a 24-year-old woman was later found strangled.

San-dee King, who lived alone in an apartment house in the Frankford section of the city, was found dead under a pile of clothes that had been set on fire.

Police were called to the building about 1:45 p.m. Jan. 21 after neighbors reported a fire in the apartment. No arrests have been made.

Police had gone to the building earlier after someone using King's cell phone sent text messages to her friend, saying that King was in trouble. The friend alerted police and officers were dispatched to the apartment, investigators familiar with the case told The Philadelphia Inquirer.

King's father, Eugene King, who also had been alerted of the text messages by King's friend, headed to the apartment and asked police for help in forcing open the apartment door. He was told by police that they could not do that because his daughter was an adult, the Inquirer said.

The officers left, and the fire broke out shortly thereafter.

"The Homicide Division began an investigation, and during their investigation ... it became apparent that there was some concern regarding the manner and the way the officers initially responded," Police Inspector William Colarulo said Thursday.

The case is drawing parallels to the murder of 23-year-old Wharton student Shannon Schieber in 1998. In that case, two officers called to investigate screaming coming from Schieber's apartment decided not to break down her door. Schieber's body was discovered inside the apartment the next morning.

Her parents sued police, but an appeals court dismissed the case in 2003.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: dial911anddie; donutwatch; leo

1 posted on 02/10/2005 10:18:06 PM PST by ambrose
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To: All

If they had smelled a whiff of pot coming from that apartment, they would have had an entire SWAT team busting down the place with battering rams.

Save someone's life? They can't be bothered. Off to Winchells.


2 posted on 02/10/2005 10:19:05 PM PST by ambrose (...)
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To: ambrose
Dial 911 and die.

Here's the lesson folks:

You and noone else are responsible for the defense of your life, liberty, and property. Do so by all means legally available to you.

L

3 posted on 02/10/2005 10:19:47 PM PST by Lurker ("We're all sinners, but jerks revel in their sins. " P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: ambrose

who needs a gun? The police will protect you!


4 posted on 02/10/2005 10:19:58 PM PST by flashbunny (Every thought that enters my head requires its own vanity thread.)
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To: ambrose

Obviously you've never had a Krispy Kreme.


5 posted on 02/10/2005 10:19:59 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lurker
Dial 911 and die.

Nice book title.

6 posted on 02/10/2005 10:20:40 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: ambrose

I'm wondering why they didn't break down the door, but where in the article does it mention that they didn't do so because of a donut break?


7 posted on 02/10/2005 10:22:46 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong."-Ronald Reagan)
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To: ambrose
"Police are investigating whether officers acted appropriately when they failed to break into an apartment where a 24-year-old woman was later found strangled."

Meanwhile, the American Bar Association are investigating themselves to see whether they fraudulenlty overcharge some of their clients. And in Bonn, Germany, Skinheads are investigating themselves to see whether they acted appropriately when they beat a man senseless on a subway train in 2003.

8 posted on 02/10/2005 10:30:43 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I was wondering about that too.


9 posted on 02/10/2005 10:41:48 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Dubya - Leading the fight to liberate those caught behind the Iron Burka)
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To: ambrose

I was on the SWAT team and never breached a door just because of a whiff of pot. Usually it was for some 9 to 5 drunk blue-collar type whose wife who just left him for some younger guy, got the house car and kids, was drunk off his ass and was cranking off rounds into the neighborhood. The narcs deal with the pot smoke btw.


10 posted on 02/10/2005 10:48:39 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Dubya - Leading the fight to liberate those caught behind the Iron Burka)
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To: shotokan
Usually it was for some 9 to 5 drunk blue-collar type whose wife who just left him for some younger guy, got the house car and kids, was drunk off his ass and was cranking off rounds into the neighborhood

Sounds harsh but maybe you should have just thrown his ex wife at him.

11 posted on 02/10/2005 10:53:36 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Centurion2000
Sounds harsh but maybe you should have just thrown his ex wife at him.

Not a bad suggestion for the next after action report 8>)

12 posted on 02/10/2005 10:57:58 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Dubya - Leading the fight to liberate those caught behind the Iron Burka)
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To: shotokan; Indie

Of course, if the cops had broken down the door and didn't find anything, another subset of Freepers would be apoplectic that the cops entered without a warrant. And if they had gotten a warrant but she was in there and had bled to death in the meantime, a third subset of Freepers would have gone apoplectic.

The words "donut," "jackboot," "lazy," "fatassed," "unconstitutional," and "dumb" would have peppered the comments.


13 posted on 02/10/2005 11:06:14 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ambrose
or if they heard a mutt whimpering......because we all know that animals are more important than humans.....

I respect the police but don't expect them to save you, because they either can't or won't.....

14 posted on 02/10/2005 11:14:05 PM PST by cherry
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To: ambrose
If it were my daughter and I thought something was going on inside the door would last about 10 seconds police or no police. I don't understand why 'dad' didn't take it down anyway.

He'll be feeling horrible guilt to the day he dies for not doing it now.
16 posted on 02/10/2005 11:21:46 PM PST by DB ()
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To: DB

Dad may be an old man, or may not be very strong, and unable to bust down a door without the assistance of someone else.


17 posted on 02/10/2005 11:26:52 PM PST by ambrose (...)
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To: hellbilly
Yeah right. Citizens don't need guns.

Guns? Who the hell said anything about guns?? Of course citizens need guns! This chick probably should have had one and might be alive as a result.

Now, if you want to address what I wrote instead of a red herring, should the cops have 1) busted down the door without a warrant based on the information available, 2) got a warrant and busted down the door based on an affidavit stating the facts available, or 3) told the caller that the resident was an adult and they couldn't vioate her privacy? Hint: No matter what decision you make, you will be a dumbass in somebody's eyes.

18 posted on 02/10/2005 11:28:11 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ambrose

asked police for help in forcing open the apartment door. He was told by police that they could not do that because his daughter was an adult, the Inquirer said.

What a joke. Am I to believe that all those doors busted down for drugs were homes of juveniles?


19 posted on 02/10/2005 11:29:31 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: hellbilly

Oh, and for what it's worth, the dad should have grown some balls and busted down the door to check on his daughter. If he broke in on her and her boyfriend, oh well, he can always buy her another door.


20 posted on 02/10/2005 11:31:15 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: shotokan

please, you aren't allowed to stick up for police on FR unless they are killed by criminals. I think its one of the rules.


21 posted on 02/10/2005 11:43:57 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: Lurker
Do so by all means legally available to you.

Hell, that's not gonna do ya any good. What about those areas where it's illegal to have a gun for self defense?

It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

22 posted on 02/10/2005 11:46:28 PM PST by Badray (This tag line under construction.)
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To: ambrose

I suppose. Most doors aren't very tough.

A window is the next option.


23 posted on 02/10/2005 11:52:38 PM PST by DB ()
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To: KneelBeforeZod

Not true.

It's simply that most of the 'police' stories posted here are when things go very wrong. The other police stories don't get posted because they are common and of no particular interest.


24 posted on 02/10/2005 11:55:47 PM PST by DB ()
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To: flashbunny
who needs a gun? The police will protect you!

Funny how some people think that the police have guns to defend citizens from harm.

25 posted on 02/11/2005 4:30:48 AM PST by woofer
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To: Larry Lucido

It does seem a little strange --- someone using King's phone text messaged someone and that someone called the dad and the police? If you were in trouble, it seems you'd at least text message 911 directly.


26 posted on 02/11/2005 4:55:11 AM PST by FITZ
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To: ambrose

Cop hater alert.


27 posted on 02/11/2005 4:58:56 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: ambrose

Two text messages from someone using the murdered woman's cell phone. A friend called police. The woman's father made his way over to the apartment and asked police for help. Any way you factor it, the police should have at least talked to this woman.

The police seem to be dead wrong on this one.


28 posted on 02/11/2005 5:13:47 AM PST by ishabibble
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To: KneelBeforeZod; shotokan
please, you aren't allowed to stick up for police on FR unless they are killed by criminals. I think its one of the rules.

Zod, That was uncalled for, many good LEOs have to deal w/DumbAss Liberal D.A./Judges and/or Lawyers...Good Gun control, is a steady hand.

29 posted on 02/11/2005 5:14:35 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Badray
hey ray!! ..."It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."... great tagline material!
30 posted on 02/11/2005 5:59:01 AM PST by gdc61
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To: Larry Lucido
"Of course, if the cops had broken down the door and didn't find anything, another subset of Freepers would be apoplectic that the cops entered without a warrant."

BS... If police are asked to enter a residence they don't need a warrant. The funny thing is, I expect in nine out of ten cases, the police would have done the right thing, and probably saved the woman. Why would you defend them when they do the wrong thing? Do you applaud police ineptitude?
31 posted on 02/11/2005 7:46:05 AM PST by monday
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To: FITZ
"If you were in trouble, it seems you'd at least text message 911 directly."

911 doesn't allow text messaging. At least it doesn't where I live. If she was hiding in a closet afraid to make a sound for fear of being discovered, texting her friend who had a compatible cell phone, was probably her only option.
32 posted on 02/11/2005 7:50:10 AM PST by monday
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To: DB

"If it were my daughter and I thought something was going on inside the door would last about 10 seconds police or no police. I don't understand why 'dad' didn't take it down anyway."

Most apartment doors are heavy duty steel with multiple dead bolts and hardened steel frames these days. A sledge hammer wouldn't take them down in 10 seconds. Better to break a window and go in that way.


33 posted on 02/11/2005 7:55:27 AM PST by monday
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To: ambrose
A big police screwup happened in my daughter-in-law's family in Dallas a few years ago.

Her uncle was dying and "attempted" to kill his wife and did kill himself.

Even though she had been hit in the gut from a shot gun through the door, she managed to crawl to the phone and call '9-ll'.

They REFUSED to break in the house for TWO HOURS because they still thought her husband might be alive with the shot gun inside the home.

Needless to say....she BARELY survived the ordeal.

34 posted on 02/11/2005 8:07:08 AM PST by moondoggie
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To: gdc61
hey ray!! ..."It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."... great tagline material!"

In my case, it should read, ". . . than carried by, uh, 12." LOL

35 posted on 02/11/2005 9:15:14 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: monday

Oh, where to start, my friend?

First, I never commented on what could have or should have been done, other than to suggest that 1) the chick might have been alive if she had been armed, and 2) that dad, if he REALLY thought she was in danger, should have kicked open the door and taken responsibility for his action. The comment you addressed was on a different topic altogher, if you'd care to reread it (hint: it has to do with the inevitability of second-guessing).

Your last two questions are completely presumptuous. If you care to know what I think the cops might have done under the circumstances, ask me and I'll tell you.

By the way, there are constitutionally permissible exceptions to warrantless entry, one of which probably applied here. However, "someone asked me to" isn't one of them. Unless you've discovered another penumbra in the constitition.


36 posted on 02/11/2005 12:31:47 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: monday
Could be, back in the 80's when I lived in various apartments none had a steel door or frame.
37 posted on 02/11/2005 1:18:51 PM PST by DB ()
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To: Lurker

The supreme court has ruled that the police have no responsibility to protect you as an individual unless you are in their physical custody. We need to emphasize this fact at every opportunity, as one more in the lengthy list of reasons for the RKBA.


38 posted on 02/11/2005 6:12:15 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Badray

All my buddies think I'm full of hot air, so I should be OK. LOL


39 posted on 02/11/2005 6:35:09 PM PST by gdc61
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To: monday

Yes --- I can see text messaging could have been her only option --- but also that maybe the police don't treat text messages to a third party as seriously as they might have treated a phone call.


40 posted on 02/11/2005 9:11:33 PM PST by FITZ
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To: gdc61

Unless you get punctured. LOL


41 posted on 02/11/2005 10:54:52 PM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent.)
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To: FITZ

"but also that maybe the police don't treat text messages to a third party as seriously as they might have treated a phone call."

Apparently not. I guess hoping police will save you if you get into trouble isn't realistic. Their job is to file a report after you are dead.



42 posted on 02/14/2005 6:10:51 AM PST by monday
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