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Rare and Aggressive H.I.V. Reported in New York
NY Times ^ | February 12, 2005 | MARC SANTORA and LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN

Posted on 02/11/2005 11:29:28 PM PST by neverdem

A rare strain of H.I.V. that is highly resistant to virtually all anti-retroviral drugs and appears to lead to the rapid onset of AIDS was detected in a New York City man last week, city health officials announced on Friday.

It was the first time a strain of H.I.V. had been found that both showed resistance to multiple drugs and led to AIDS so quickly, the officials said. While the extent of the disease's spread is unknown, officials called a news conference to say that the situation is alarming.

"We consider this a major potential problem," said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. The department issued an alert to all hospitals and doctors in the city to test all newly detected H.I.V. cases for evidence of the rare strain.

The virus was found in a New York City man in his mid-40's who engaged in unprotected anal sex with other men on multiple occasions while he was using crystal methamphetamine. Health officials have long said that the drug's stimulating effect and erasure of inhibitions contributes to sex marathons that have increased the spread of H.I.V.

The man, whose name was not released to protect his privacy, is believed to have had unprotected sex with hundreds of partners, according to one person briefed on the case who insisted on anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

Some AIDS specialists outside New York City expressed skepticism about the alarm, believing that it might be an isolated case related to the patient's immune system. But Dr. Frieden said the case heightened the importance of using condoms.

"This case is a wake-up call," Dr. Frieden said. "First, it's a wake-up call to men who have sex with men, particularly those who may use crystal methamphetamine. Not only are we seeing syphilis and a rare sexually transmitted disease - lymphogranuloma venereum - among these men. "Now we've identified this strain of H.I.V. that is difficult or impossible to treat and which appears to progress rapidly to AIDS."

While H.I.V. strains that are resistant to some anti-retroviral drugs have been on the rise in recent years, both in New York City and nationally, city and federal officials said that the new case was worrisome for several reasons.

The viral strain in the unnamed patient was resistant to three of the four classes of drugs used to treat H.I.V. from the start of treatment. Typically, drug resistance occurs after a patient is treated with retroviral drugs, often because the patient veers from the prescribed course. And more often than not, a person is resistant to only one or two classes of drugs.

But in this case, the drug resistance is combined with a rapid transformation into AIDS. Both of those phenomena have been seen before, but are not believed to have occurred together.

"What's unique about this is the combination of multiple drug resistance and a rapid course," said Dr. Ronald O. Valdiserri, the director of H.I.V./AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control. "To folks in the public health community, that is a particularly dangerous combination." He said that while it was an isolated case at this time, the C.D.C. had informed other health departments around the country out of concern.

Dr. David Ho, the director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center, which did the testing that identified the rare strain, described the convergence of the two problems as "a scary phenomenon."

But not everyone agreed. Dr. Robert C. Gallo, a co-discoverer of the AIDS virus and director of the Institute of Human Virology at the University of Maryland, was very skeptical of yesterday's announcement.

"My guess is that this is much ado about nothing," he said. "Though it's prudent to follow it, I don't think it's necessary to issue a warning or alert the press."

Dr. Gallo said that it was well known that some patients progressed from initial infection to AIDS very rapidly, but that it was usually because they were highly susceptible, not because the virus was virulent. He said that this case, in which the virus is drug-resistant and the progression rapid, was rare but not necessarily alarming.

Dr. John P. Moore, an AIDS researcher at Cornell University's Medical School, agreed.

"If there was a cluster of these, that would be different," he said. "But I wouldn't get bent out of shape about what is literally an anecdotal case right now."

The limited epidemiological investigation in this case shows that the patient could have developed AIDS in as little as 2 months, but that it might have taken as long as 10, Dr. Frieden said. On average, it takes 10 years from the time a person is first infected with H.I.V. for AIDS to develop. But it can take only months for some people, and 20 years for others.

At the news conference in Lower Manhattan, Dr. Frieden was joined by nearly a dozen AIDS experts and community leaders. Several participants said they were experiencing the same worried feeling they had more than two decades ago, when AIDS first appeared and there was no treatment.

Health officials cautioned that the emergence of the rare strain did not mean that people who are currently responding well to H.I.V./AIDS treatment needed further testing, unless ordered by a physician. They did warn, however, that people with H.I.V./AIDS could be re-infected with a different and more dangerous strain if they practiced unprotected sex.

More tests need to be completed before it is clear if any combination of drugs can effectively treat this strain of the virus, but Dr. Frieden said that therapy now appeared to be extremely difficult.

The man is currently receiving a cocktail of drugs, including one, Enfuvirtide, that is believed to be effective. Doctors cautioned, however, that single-drug therapy was rarely effective against AIDS in the long term.

From the moment the Health Department learned about this case on Jan. 22, its scientists have been studying complex laboratory tests to decipher the patterns of resistance, and epidemiologists have tried to trace the man's sexual partners and notify them of the potential risk.

In May 2003, the man tested negative for H.I.V., health officials said. Investigators believe he contracted H.I.V. in October 2004, when he engaged in unprotected anal sex with multiple partners while using crystal methamphetamine. The man found some of his partners on an Internet Web site, officials said, though they would not identify the site. Health officials said they were working with those who used the Web site to reach as many people as possible who might have been infected or are worried that they could have been.

Dr. Frieden said in an interview that it was probable that the man had sex with someone who had a strain of H.I.V. that was resistant to multiple drugs.

"Whoever gave it to him most likely did not have sex only with him," Dr. Frieden said.

Health officials became aware of the situation after the man began to feel sick in late November and the next month went to see his doctor, who had him get an H.I.V. test. The test came back positive in December. By January, the H.I.V. had progressed to AIDS.

The man's doctor referred him to the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in Manhattan, where for many years Dr. Martin Markowitz has been conducting a study of patients in the earliest stages of H.I.V.

The Health Department asked doctors to be alert for patients experiencing flulike symptoms who had engaged in high-risk sexual activity. Such symptoms might indicate acute retroviral syndrome, indicating a need for H.I.V. testing

In fact, Dr. Frieden said, all people with newly diagnosed H.I.V. should be tested to see if the strain is drug resistant. But the tests are complex and expensive. Dr. Frieden asked physicians to report any case in which a strain is resistant to three classes of drugs.

Dr. James Braun, the president of the Physicians Research Network, a nonprofit organization formed in 1990 to serve clinicians who treat tens of thousands of AIDS patients, said doctors have been worried for some time about something like this.

"We believe that the transmission of treatment-resistant H.I.V. was a disaster waiting to happen, particularly in communities where safer sex is not practiced regularly and in light of people using drugs like crystal meth," Dr. Braun said. "All primary care providers in acute care settings need to know how to diagnose H.I.V. in its earliest stages and where to refer people so that new infections are properly worked up and treated."

Health officials have been worried for some time that city residents, particularly gay men, are growing lax in their attitudes about sex practices, lulled into complacency by the success of antiviral drugs. In the past four years, the number of new syphilis cases in the city has slowly increased, with gay men accounting for most of them. Only 45 percent of gay men surveyed by the Health Department in 2003 said they used a condom during sex.

An estimated 88,000 New Yorkers have H.I.V./AIDS, and health officials estimate that another 20,000 people are infected but do not know their status. The officials urged all New Yorkers who are sexually active to check on their H.I.V. status.

"Risky behavior may be even more dangerous now, since there is a chance of infection with a virus we may not be able to treat," said Dr. Jay Dobkin, director of the AIDS Program at Columbia University Medical Center.

Donald G. McNeil Jr. contributed reporting for this article.


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Here's the Times version with a little less alarm. Altman, one of the authors, is an M.D.

John Marshall Mantel for The New York Times
Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, left, commissioner of the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, discussing a rare strain of drug-resistant H. I. V. at a news conference.

Here's the scarier AP version, "Rare Drug - Resistant HIV Found in N.Y.".

1 posted on 02/11/2005 11:29:29 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This is only the beginning.

If we can not cure the common cold -- a simple virus there is no way we can cure Aids!


2 posted on 02/11/2005 11:37:14 PM PST by GaryMontana (The future belongs to the bold, not the cowards who hide under rags (ragheads)!)
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To: neverdem

Well naturally viruses mutate, but lets hope it doesn`t get to a point where the AIDS virus can survive in air, because if that ever happened, it`s allll over.


3 posted on 02/11/2005 11:40:06 PM PST by Imaverygooddriver (I`m a very good driver and I approve this message.)
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To: Imaverygooddriver

It's a blood disease, cool your jets.


4 posted on 02/11/2005 11:42:48 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: GaryMontana
there is no way we can cure Aids!

No but there is a way it can be prevented. Funny how the government discourages cigarette smoking as a way to combat lung disease however nothing is being done to control the sodomite behavior which spreads AIDS and not only that but seems to encourage it.
5 posted on 02/11/2005 11:45:52 PM PST by w6ai5q37b
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To: neverdem
These guys come to the obvious conclusion: It's time to use condoms. /sarcasm!

What about curtailing both anal sex and crystal meth use?!?! No! No! It's the lack of condoms which is at issue!

I also love the part where: The man, whose name was not released to protect his privacy,. This bozo has infected perhaps 100's of men due to his actions has HIS privacy is protected. What about the people he had physcial contact with? [I refuse to call this action SEX!] Don't they have any rights? They have a NEED to know!

If someone had fired a gun into the air shooting 100 bullets in the middle of an urban area would their name not be released to protect their privacy?!?! This is just plain stupid!!

7 posted on 02/11/2005 11:52:19 PM PST by the_Watchman
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8 posted on 02/11/2005 11:52:57 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: w6ai5q37b
No but there is a way it can be prevented.

But then they wouldn't have the "disease du jour" to throw in our faces.

9 posted on 02/11/2005 11:53:42 PM PST by kcvl
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To: the_Watchman


Do you put your trust in a flimsy bit of latex?
Sex can be unsafe, even with a condom...
10 posted on 02/11/2005 11:55:11 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Imaverygooddriver

I knew some people who were obsessed with AIDS information. Unfortunately one of the next steps on the way to an airborne strain of the virus was a "fast burner" mutation that's an untreatable strain. Sadly to say, all we can hope for is that it burns itself out before that happens.


11 posted on 02/11/2005 11:56:14 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("I can saw a woman in two/But you won't want to look in the box when I do" - Warren Zevon)
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To: neverdem
But Dr. Frieden said the case heightened the importance of using condoms self-denying chastity, monogamy in marriage, and an end to the needle.
12 posted on 02/12/2005 12:15:33 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: neverdem

Mother nature has her way of taking care of things.


13 posted on 02/12/2005 12:17:23 AM PST by Pro-Bush (Can't afford Medical care? Thank an illegal alien.)
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To: Lexinom
But Dr. Frieden said the case heightened the importance of using condoms, self-denying chastity, monogamy in marriage, and an end to the needle.

He frets about second hand smoke, but he can't say what's obvious to the blind.

14 posted on 02/12/2005 12:22:50 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
The officials urged all New Yorkers who are sexually active to check on their H.I.V. status.

Married couples (the kind that don't sleep around)?

15 posted on 02/12/2005 12:29:04 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: Pro-Bush
As sad as it is - and when I was a young man I spent a profoundly humbling afternoon caring for a fellow ravaged by this horrific disease - they brought this on themselves. Anyone reading Romans 1 cannot but be struck by its piercing relevance to this time and this issue.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


16 posted on 02/12/2005 12:37:09 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: neverdem

Who's forcing all these people to have unprotected sex?


17 posted on 02/12/2005 12:37:19 AM PST by Dallas59 (Bush said the "F" word 27 times January 20th, 2005!)
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To: Lexinom
Married couples (the kind that don't sleep around)?

Exactly, why target your resources where they're most needed? You can make money with useless, PC efforts!

18 posted on 02/12/2005 12:39:33 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
The virus was found in a New York City man in his mid-40's who engaged in unprotected anal sex with other men on multiple occasions while he was using crystal methamphetamine.

So the old saying "Speed Kills" is still true. On the other hand if the infested pass on quickly they will be less of a drain on the tax dollars of the normal people.

19 posted on 02/12/2005 12:44:53 AM PST by fella
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To: Dallas59

Whoever they are, they need to be found, rounded up, and tried and convicted of negligent manslaughter.


20 posted on 02/12/2005 12:47:31 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: neverdem

But not everyone agreed. Dr. Robert C. Gallo, a co-discoverer of the AIDS virus and director of the Institute of Human Virology at the University of Maryland, was very skeptical of yesterday's announcement.

I see this situation being utilized to demand millions of dollars for New York in order to eradicate a disease that has been in existence for at least 30 years. It is typical New York politics.


21 posted on 02/12/2005 12:47:45 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: neverdem
"But I wouldn't get bent out of shape about what is literally an anecdotal case right now."

Can't be stressed enough. Anecdotal.

All these serious drug abusers and abusers of their body get sick.

Blame it on the super and now apparently almost magical viri and, eh voilá, responsibility is transformed to victimhood.

22 posted on 02/12/2005 12:52:33 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Lexinom

God said it, I believe it!


23 posted on 02/12/2005 12:55:42 AM PST by Pro-Bush (Can't afford Medical care? Thank an illegal alien.)
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To: neverdem

Now, what is the elephant in the room that this article is talking around with respect to the primary transmission vector of ths disease?


24 posted on 02/12/2005 1:01:56 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: neverdem

I am convinced that these people are enduring the wrath of God. You will reap what y ou sow.


25 posted on 02/12/2005 1:24:15 AM PST by garylmoore (God Bless you W, you have prevailed.)
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To: garylmoore
I like the story about crystal meth usage and the homosexual orgies that occur - quite titillating I am sure!!! But there is nothing wrong with being gay- I mean doesn't this kind of activity reign among young heterosexuals? I have an AIDS patient that says it is the most brutal disease he is full of lesions that have to be cut off - nasty- he should come forward and let these young studs see what's ahead for them. He takes minimum 30 pills a day and they all make you feel like you have the flu. Keep it up ! And we worry about Africa! This could have been stopped years ago in the interest of the public health but for the gay lobby and the ACLU_-but NO- that would stop their non reproductive rights!
26 posted on 02/12/2005 1:49:44 AM PST by newzhawk
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To: Lexinom
"God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Well, thanks to the Sodomite lobby, and their willing hedonistic accomplices in society, this sort of behavior has been made more than 'convenient', it's been redefined as almost 'mainstream'.

Once again, my GrandDad's words echo,

"Keep your future in your pants!"

The only thing that should ever be that close to a man's butt is a big wad of toilet paper. Don't they get it? The 'exit' is NOT an 'entrance' !!!

Idiots!
27 posted on 02/12/2005 2:16:34 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: Pro-Bush

"Mother nature has her way of taking care of things."


Amen to that! It's as if 'gays' are a herd of fornicating lemmings frenziedly running towards their doom as they jubilantly rant...."We're Liberated!"


28 posted on 02/12/2005 3:14:57 AM PST by Lindykim
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29 posted on 02/12/2005 3:31:36 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: neverdem
It's worth repeating: AIDS, is the disease formerly known as GRIDS, or Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
30 posted on 02/12/2005 4:36:57 AM PST by Nephi (Joseph McCarthy was right)
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To: newzhawk
But there is nothing wrong with being gay- I mean doesn't this kind of activity reign among young heterosexuals?

They mostly hope. "Hundreds of partners."

31 posted on 02/12/2005 4:56:21 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: neverdem

Birth Control. Then Gun Control. Now Homo Control?


32 posted on 02/12/2005 5:08:18 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: jslade

AIDS

Adios
Infected
D***
Suckers


33 posted on 02/12/2005 5:26:12 AM PST by slapshot ("USAF- when you absolutely, positively need it delivered on target, on time, right away")
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To: Nephi
Very close, I believe it was actually Gay Related imuno-deficiency disease
34 posted on 02/12/2005 5:26:19 AM PST by JosephW (The world must stop Mad Mo and his orcs)
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To: neverdem

Quick its time for the Prez to through billions of tax payer dollars towards the cure for AIDS...

NO matter how cheap prevention is it isnt an option

apparently


35 posted on 02/12/2005 5:52:12 AM PST by joesnuffy (If GW had been driving....Mary Jo would still be with us...)
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To: neverdem
The virus was found in a New York City man in his mid-40's who engaged in unprotected anal sex with other men on multiple occasions while he was using crystal methamphetamine.

No amount of money is going to solve attitudes.

All of the money spent since the 80's on "AIDS awareness" and the like and we still have this type of behavior. Sometimes you have to cut your losses.

36 posted on 02/12/2005 6:00:20 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (Go Eagles)
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To: Pro-Bush

Not quickly enough.


37 posted on 02/12/2005 6:05:30 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: neverdem
Part of the problem is that society has lost it's fear of HIV/AIDS, because, although still fatal, the drug cocktails have extended lifespans. It's no longer seen as a deadly disease. Drug cocktails can keep you alive for decades.

How long has Magic Johnson been positive?

I remember, in the mid-80's and early '90's, being absolutely TERRIFIED of AIDS, and I had NO risk factors. NONE. But the idea was still scary as heck. These days, that fear isn't there.

38 posted on 02/12/2005 6:29:44 AM PST by Malacoda (MUCK FUSLIMS)
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To: Nephi
It's worth repeating: AIDS, is the disease formerly known as GRIDS, or Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

Actually, it goes farther back than that. I saw a documentary recently which presented a pretty compelling case that the HIV virus jumped species from chimpanzees through a particular oral polio imunization effort in Africa in the 1950's. Apparently, one researcher in the then Belgian Congo in the early 1950's was using chimpanzee blood and organ material (liver, kidneys) to culture live polio virus. Once cultured, the virus was weakened and made into pill form. Other researchers at the time used green monkey or mackack monkey blood and organs for producing vaccine precisely because of the potential for a cross species infection. Although this researcher denies using chimps, workers who assisted in the production of the vaccine say hundreds of chimps were slaughtered for their blood and organs to use to grow polio cultures during this time. Millions of doses of this tainted polio vaccine were given in Africa, primarily in the Belgian Congo and surrounding countries and the first HIV/AIDS type symtoms ever noted correlate nearly perfectly to where this particular polio immunization was given.

Oh, and the country behind the tainted vaccine was France.

39 posted on 02/12/2005 6:29:45 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: neverdem
Some AIDS specialists outside New York City expressed skepticism about the alarm, believing that it might be an isolated case related to the patient's immune system. But Dr. Frieden said the case heightened the importance of using condoms.

As usual, the "analysts" miss the point. Look at that last sentence. This story tells me of the importance of homosexual men keeping their joy sticks to themselves. Damn, it's so obvious.

40 posted on 02/12/2005 6:50:09 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: w6ai5q37b

aids is a disease. gay men and lesbian women are a political movement. This is the first disease with civil rights. That is why.


41 posted on 02/12/2005 6:54:14 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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42 posted on 02/12/2005 6:56:34 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: jslade
Birth Control. Then Gun Control. Now Homo Control?

The UN / globalist agendas of population reduction and theft of American liberties continue to march merrily along.

43 posted on 02/12/2005 7:17:10 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: Lexinom

Exactly.


44 posted on 02/12/2005 7:24:56 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: John Lenin

When did the term condom replace the term rubber?


45 posted on 02/12/2005 7:39:26 AM PST by em2vn
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To: neverdem
A rare strain of H.I.V. that is highly resistant to virtually all anti-retroviral drugs and appears to lead to the rapid onset of AIDS was detected in a New York City man last week, city health officials announced on Friday.

Is that God handing out a clue? Or evolution in action?

46 posted on 02/12/2005 7:45:42 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: JosephW

Not that it is important, but google shows it both ways.


47 posted on 02/12/2005 9:55:35 AM PST by Nephi (Joseph McCarthy was right)
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To: Thermalseeker

My post is a reference to the name attributed to a disease epidemic among gays. The connection between gays and the disease led scientists to give the disease a very politically incorrect but accurate name. It was only after gays protested that the name was changed. Subsequently, blood donated by gays corrupted the nations blood supply. It was this tainted blood (clotting factor) that ultimately killed the young boy, Ryan White. Ryan White, a hemopheliac, was used as a posterboy by the gay community to brainwash Americans into believing that all Americans, not just gays were susceptible to the gay disease. It is unclear what the connection is between the gay lifestyle/AIDS and the monkey virus, except that gays will undoubtedly try to use it to blame others for the disease.


48 posted on 02/12/2005 10:22:04 AM PST by Nephi (Joseph McCarthy was right)
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To: Nephi

Not important in the difference at all. That's just how I remember hearing it first referenced.

Although I must admit that I really don't mind the name change as it better reflects the disease thoughout the world, however we should not forget how it spread to other countries (including ours).

Speaking epidemialogically, a quicker killing form of AIDS is really less dangerous to society. By killing its host quicker there is less chance of the infection spreading. Not a pleasant thought, but a scientifically accurate one.


49 posted on 02/12/2005 10:50:16 AM PST by JosephW (The world must stop Mad Mo and his orcs)
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To: JosephW

there is a cure for AIDS, the virus dies if people stop behaving in a way that spreads it, oh sorry, like that's going to happen, there is no cure for AIDS

now a famous sex expert, Dr. Sue, one of my favourite sex experts, she looks like anyone's Grandmother but not annoying like Dr. Ruth said that anyone engaging in anal sex should double bag it, as in wear two condoms at once to ensure safer sex, whether hetero or homo, because of that delicate rectal tissue is very prone to tearing and thus tranmission, so if you double bag it, if one condom breaks hopefully the second condom works, personally a friend and mine laughingly suggest whole body condoms or maybe virtual sex is looking better and better or celibacy - this new chladmydia looks nasty too, time to buy stock in vibrator manufacturers, LOL

but you are always going to have assholes who are so stoned or drunk or on the death spiral that they don't care who they infect and some are angry so they want to take as many with them, happened to some creep in Canada who purposely infected women, in fact, this is a good reason for not having casual sex with anyone, this guy infected this one woman, she insisted he wear a condom, so he puts it on but whipped it off at the last moment and gave her AIDS, and this was after this guy was under an order to refrain from having unprotected sex - hmmmmm

I was shocked to learn just a few years ago that most cervical cancers are caused by a sexually transmitted disease, HPV, and you don't even hear about that much


50 posted on 02/12/2005 11:32:27 AM PST by llama hunter
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