Posted on 02/12/2005 4:01:35 AM PST by Snapple
If you think Ward Churchill is controversial in his academic setting, you should see how divisive a force he is in the Indian world.
The University of Colorado professor, who has set off a firestorm with the publicizing of his 3-year-old essay rationalizing the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, has been a lightning rod for years among those involved in American Indian arts, academics and activism.
He simultaneously inspires great admiration and loathing.
"He is horribly divisive, and he is a thug," said Suzan Shown Harjo, president of the Morningstar Institute in Washington, a national American Indian rights organization. "He's gone on the attack against a lot of good people."
But Noam Chomsky, the noted political author and MIT linguistics professor that Churchhill cited as an intellectual ally, said much of Churchill's work is "excellent, penetrating and of high scholarly quality."
(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...
Ward Churchill is a dangerous person. He is really just a white man exploiting Indians for his radical agenda to destroy the US.
More from paper:
Harjo, a Cheyenne and Muskogee, said Churchill has "almost no influence" among American Indians except in Denver. "His influence is with other white people."
Artist David Bradley, of Santa Fe, N.M., a Chippewa, said he and Churchill ran afoul over Bradley's support of a law saying that people holding themselves out as American Indian artists are required to show they are actually Indians.
"That's what caused him to first attack me, before I ever heard of the guy," Bradley said. "Out of the clear blue sky, he published this attack."
Bradley said that Churchill "destroys our credibility."
"He's a white man who earns his living masquerading as an Indian. He's a pseudo-Indian profiteer. He takes opportunities intended for our people, our legitimate speakers, who can honestly speak about the American Indian experience."
I am waiting for the Colorado papers to put the missing felon, lawyer, and AIM activist, Lee Hill, together with Ward Churchill and AIM.
Where is Lee Hill???? Where are his knives and burglar tools?
Why did AIM manipulate the investigation into the JonBenet Ramsey murder?? Answer: they wanted to discredit law enforcement and the government. They wanted people to believe a big lie: that the FBI and government were protecting a ring of powerful pedophiles.
For more on AIM manipulation the Ramsey murder investigation see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336690/posts
Go live in an old gulag camp in Siberia Noam. Oh, I forgot, they never existed. Then I guess you'll have to settle for a nice villa in North Korea.
Anyway, take your sorry academics and your friends and leave.
For good Indian commentary on Ward Churchill see
http://www.indiancountry.com/
Check out their recent editorials and also writer Suzan Shown Harjo.
This Indian publication is very interesting. I think it is a real voice for Indian concerns--not a voice for anarchists who hide behind Indians and claim to be Indians.
Indians can't stand him--with the exception of a few violent anarchistic, communist, AIM radicals.
Funny how "all roads lead to Noam."
The press will hang around waiting for his next anti establishment statements. People like this serve very little if any constructive purpose - they can't get their perverted needs satisfied through good work so they become rebels, rebels "without a cause" -- they do anything to cause diversions and to get attention.
To the hard left, truth and facts are indistinguishable from lies and fabrications. The end result, the conclusion drawn are all that matter.
Yes, he is a sociopath, a so-called "rebel without a cause."
Except that he needs to be stopped because he is dangerous to living things and does great damage to real Indian issues.
/CU as a Science Leader!
Thank you for the very interesting article about the Smallpox issue.
Ok, but you can't be prosecuted for your ideas. Please try to find out what Ward Churchill does that might be a crime.
These ideas are bad because the ideas cause people to hurt and kill others.
People who express these views seldom confine themselves to only speech. They usually act on their ideas.
The Cherokee must be the most sexually appealing people ever to have existed. Does anyone reading this thread not know at least one person who claims to have some Cherokee blood pulsing through their veins?
There's a number of Indian wannabes hanging around the reserve near where I live.
These white boys wear the beads and ribbon shirts. Have a "medicine" bag hanging from a belt. They hold sweats. Get money for "spiritual" advice from other stupid white Indian wannabes. The elders in the tribe get quite peeved. Every two years or so they need to form a war party and run them off the reserve.
Well, the Cherokee Indians were so civilized, they even owned slaves. (joke)
They were Christians and farmers in Georgia who had taken on the ways of White Americans. They were educated, too.
I seem to have some ancestor who was a big cheese among the Cherokee, but I don't know that he was Cherokee. He may have been their minister. A lot of my relatives were from the Indian territories that are now Arkansas and Oklahoma. One seems to have been a doctor to Indians at a school.
Cherokee were pretty mainstream.
A lot of black and White Americans have Cherokee blood in their veins.
Most Indians died off in America very early--European germs reached them from early explorers.
Human beings are much more likely to die from a germ they get from a family member. Indians are more genetically related than other racial groups, so they die from diseases they catch from other Indians as if these Indians were family members.
Now that Indians are more genetically mixed, it probably is healthier for them. Still, Indians do have a lot of health problems. Some of this is poverty, but some of this may be due to the fact that Indians are so closely related to each other.
I am no expert, so see what you read. A lot of Indians are diabetic. It is a huge problem. It is probably a combination of a different diet and genetics.
During our early Texas history, our dealings with Indians was akin to a no quarters asked or given blood feud, especially and particularly with the Comanche. Our dealings with the Cherokee Indians were . . . however . . . simply despicable. Among those who participate in Texian history discussions, the subject still tends to provoke temper tantrums and denials.
Leaving the relative question--is Churchill really the
living reflection of Roger Baldwin the convict who concocted the ACLU as a transmission belt to Soviet Communist dictatorship?An old white man I've come to appreciate Benjamin Franklin wrote in 1733 "a learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one."
and th enext year published "the family of fools is ancient."I learned in fourth grade it was unwise to insist
I was of ancestry other than Irish and German.there are
plenty of scounderals and near saints in my own heritage
without the fantasy.
I agree. Even though these people took on many customs of the White people, they were still pushed out.
I am not big on genealogy, but for Indians this is a big deal. Your tribal affiliation has a lot to do with how they relate to you.
If Ward Churchill were even culturally Indian, he would respect that custom and not call this "poodle pedagrees."
If anyone can claim to be an Indian, he can also claim assets that are for Indians.
Churchill tried to make money painting by saying his paintings were "Indian." This was a lie.
He was misrepresenting his work as Indian and taking advantage of some special program to benefit Indian artists.
Ward Churchill has been a major figure in AIM for years.
I want to learn more about his ties to some of the violence of AIM's Dog Soldiers.
A lot of people say that they are afraid of Churchill. He has assaulted a woman. He speaks surrounded by AIM security, according to the Indians. These are probably the Dog Soldiers.
AIM bobmed MT Rushmore Visitor Center and drove all over the place with bombs and guns.
Churchill seeks the overthrow of the US government. He isn't just talking, in my opinion.
One clue will be to catch Lee Hill, an AIM lawyer who is hiding from the Boulder police.
Lee Hill assaulted his wife and had weapons and burlar tools.
A lot of the AIM people were really criminals--drug dealers and burglars who preyed on Indians. They wanted the FBI off the reservations so they could victimize the Indians so they made up a lot of lies about the FBI.
Some of these peope are real gangsters.
Find Lee Hill.
Hill and Churchill should really be investigated.
In a word, no. In fact, if I had a shiny Buffalo nickel for every individual I heard claim that he's "one-sixteenth Cherokee," I'd have a nice little pile of coins.
recent photographs show churchill with brown hair, and now some aging grey, white hair.
in the 1980s he had black hair.
i wonder if he dyed his hair in the 1980s to create his image as indian?
On what the Federal Welfare system has done to Native Americans:
http://www.neoperspectives.com/NativeAmericans.htm
Has anyone stopped to think about who our allies were as we rolled from coast to coast, picking off one tribe after another?
Why the other tribes of course!
We never could have conquered the "Native Americans" so quickly without "Native American" allies playing a leading role.
With all due respect, there was nothing quick about it, nor did native Americans everywhere play a leading role in ending the troublesome depredations of some of the more warlike tribes.
If Samuel Walker was still around, and in the mood to reminisce, he might tell you the 1843 Paterson Colt had something to do with it (Captain John Coffee certainly would), and later his namesake six shot .44 caliber Walker Colt pistol had a heck of a lot more to do with it.
History frequently varies according to time and place.
I'm totally amazed at Russ Means' support of this idiot. I was under the impression that he thought Churchill was a white guy Indian-wannabe. I guess that would be Dennis Banks' (another AIM founder who is currently active, unlike Means) line. Must have mixed up the two.
Anyways, the Indian woman reporter is right when she says that talking about ones' people (ie: Indian heritage and living relatives) is like saying "hello." Whenever I meet another Indian, we always ask about each other's people and tribe.
I know the names of most of my immediate relatives from both the Keeweena Bay Indian Community in Michigan and the White Earth Reservations in Minnesota. Ward Churchill is a big, fat fraud.
Considering the weapons employed, the sheer size of the North American continent and the odds, that's pretty quick, IMO.
Right from the start various tribes in the east threw in with either the French or English against their "brothers". In Mexico Cortez never would have succeeded without the aid of thousands of Indian allies.
You're thinking of west of the Mississippi where the weaponry became more sophisticated and even then we used Indians as allies and scouts.
Ever wonder why it took the better part of 200 years to beat the eastern woodland Indians and about 90 years to beat the rest?
I think we'd still be chasing Apaches around the mountains if it weren't for our Navajo soldiers and scouts, regardless of six-shooters.
Ward Churchill has only been an AIM fixture in Denver. The AIM leadership does not like or believe Churchill's line. There was a previous FR thread regarding an official AIM statement disavowing Churchill whose Denver AIM group does and says what it wants without approval of the actual AIM leadership. The Denver AIM organization is even farther left of the original AIM group, unbelievable as that may seem.
Hell, the Denver group is as much of a fraud as Churchill - the Denver group is one of those bulls**t "Autonomous AIM Chapters", which anyone in the real A.I.M. would tell you is a bunch of hooey...
Ya got that right. The so-called Denver AIM "Chapter" has been doing its own thing for some time, much to the embarrassment and consternation of the legitimate AIM leadership. Churchill must have some sort of mind control going on with some Indian people. As for white far-leftists like Chomsky--they'll fall for just about anything if it's couched in enough virulent rhetoric.
I've seen a moderation in AIM over the years - nowhere near as far left as they used to be, which makes me happy (and more willing to talk to some of relatives who belong to it) but the Denver "chapter" is a joke.
Ward churchill is Russell Means' svengali. That alone is enough to get enough indians to follow him...
I also find it interesting that some Seminoles from Florida (actually a mixture of Georgia Indians and runaway black slaves) wound up in South Texas. They even have a reservation, I believe.
Considering the weapons employed, the sheer size of the North American continent and the odds, that's pretty quick, IMO.
Except for weaponry (or technology), you actually seem to agree with me.
But, I won't argue the point(s). Not here, anyway. I'm already feeling guilty, because this kinda hijacks the thread. I apologize to Snapple and the other posters for doing so.
However, should you come across a suitable thread sometime, please give me a ping. I think here is plenty in your post to make for an interesting, enjoyable disagreement.
Yeah, but how come the Germans who settled in central Texas generally had good relations with the local Indians, while the Anglos and even the Mexicans did not?
Yeah to what? :-)
The German settlers had their bad times, including murders, stolen livestock, and stolen children. But, generally, you're right. The Germans of central Texas enjoyed the longest stretch of relative peace, all the more remarkable because the treaty-like relationship was with the Comanche who ranged and raided from Colorado to Mexico.
I also find it interesting that some Seminoles from Florida (actually a mixture of Georgia Indians and runaway black slaves) wound up in South Texas. They even have a reservation, I believe.
Their descendants wish they had a reservation, but I don't believe they do. I think some descendants are scattered around in Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas. Some live in the Brackettville area where nearby Fort Clark still stands. The Black Seminole won, I think, four Medals of Honor during Randall Mackenzie's (4th Cavalry) foray into Mexico on a punitive expedition against the Kickapoo.
I'd love to read a good historical account, or a novel, about their exploits under the command of Lt. John Bullis.
> Funny how "all roads lead to Noam."
Change that to:
All bent roads lead to Noam.
Ya got that one right, too! ...at least as I see it.
Way back when, my father, an Ojibwa who was raised on the Ontonagon Reservation, joined the Army Air Corps at the end of WWII and went to college (a first on the Indian side of my family) on the GI Bill. He became a radio engineer, then a radio/TV personality and producer. My dad instilled in me a respect for the FCC and a hatred of the BIA. ;)
When the American Indian Movement took over the corrupt (still is, IMHO) Bureau of Indian Affairs Building in DC in the early 70's, my whole family cheered. (We have a documented family history of dealing with corrupt BIA agents.) My dad got through to Russ Means and Dennis Banks during that time for a brief long-distance telephone interview. He almost lost his job! Fortunately, he and the station owner were duck-hunting buddies and close friends. :)
In the 1980's, my father lived briefly on the Onondaga Reservation in Upstate NY while Dennis Banks was hiding out from the Feds. Banks did the right thing by finally giving himself up and doing the time for some of his AIM activities. Now, Dennis has become an Indian Traditionalist. He hunts, harvests wild rice, and lives a generally peaceful life. Yeah, he still has issues, but if you read his biography "Ojibwa Warrior", you can tell he is not the lefty rebel he once was.
Russ Means is now a somewhat conservative Libertarian and in some instances has supported Republican candidates. Which makes his support of a charleton like Churchill purplexing to me.
Most of my family is in TV/radio or some aspect of the entertainment industry. They are mostly Democrats, so that makes family get togethers interesting. Of course, I once was a Democrat, so there is still hope for my family.
If you are Indian you need to make sure that people know that Indians do not support this Churchill. It might make people turn against Indians if they only hear this story superficially.
I am not Indian, so I only read what the Indians' opinions are. I don't agree with some of it, but most Indians work for their issues in a lawful way with lawyers and in the courts.
I like the publication Indian Country http://www/indiancountry.com
They have covered Churchill's antics very well.
My ancestors lived in Arkansas near what was then Indian territory, but they appear to have been ministers and doctors to Indians, so I know some family history.
You're right of course, we'll save this for another day.
Back to bashing Churchill!
A lot of Indians--including some leftist types--don't like or believe in Churchill's rantings. It's only recently that Churchill has been put under the microscope by the MSM and other news sources. I say it's about time and let's see even more truth concerning this anti-American, Indian-wannabe's phoney-baloney.
I don't think this story will turn people against Indians. Only the ultra-leftist idiot Indians (and their idiot non-Indian ultra-leftist supporters) are in any serious danger of losing their (Ahem) credibility--and that would be a good thing!
The politics of AIM is very confusing. Personally, I don't get too worked up when I don't agree with someone unless they are violent. The Denver/Boulder AIM is really creepy.
Which is interesting, because I myself am waiting for you to provide some documented evidence that Lee Hill is actually on the run from the cops and missing.
I can tie him to Churchill and AIM, since the guy is a Boulder Civil Rights attorney, and a member of Colorado-AIM (which Churchill co-directs). There. Feel better now?
What a load of Liberal hooey.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3556
This is on the Internet but you can contact the Boulder police.
OMG!!!!!!!! He was picked up on a warrant for Failure to Appear for a Careless Driving charge during a routine traffic stop! WHOA!!! Why, they should lock him up for life!
So, add to that, with what you refer to as "burglary tools" and some knives, and he's a member of AIM, and he was peripherally involved in teh Ramsey Case as an Attorney, and you turn that into "AIM Killed Jon Benet Ramsey"...
I see.
So call the Boulder police and don't waste my time.
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