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1 posted on 02/12/2005 1:52:27 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 02/12/2005 1:54:52 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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After a first term marked by schizophrenic Iran policy initiatives, the Bush White House . . . *YAWN*

It's always those stupid Americans effing things up, ain't it? HA!

The REAL question is whether those stupid, backward, muslim, schizophrenic, Iranian lunatics will embrace democracy. I say no. Not a chance.

5 posted on 02/12/2005 2:02:31 PM PST by LibWhacker
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This long and detailed article ignores one critical fact. In the last national elections in Iran, the mullahs canceled the candidacies of those candidates for the national legislature that they disapproved of. Therefore, the "reformers" were unable to succeed in the elections because their candidates (most of them) were thrown off the ballot.

Why does this analysis not deal with this subject? If and only if there are going to be a new Iranian election soon, and there is any reason to believe that the same electoral fraud will not occur again. This is critical. Why isn't it mentioned?

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7 posted on 02/12/2005 2:03:43 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (My tagline is on vacation.)
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In a general way this article is true. We need regime change in Iran, and we'd prefer that it be done from within.

But.

In the first place, nuclear arms are NOT inevitable. We must insist that they dismantle their nuclear capability, or do it for them. A Democratic Iran would be safer than the present government, but the region is too unstable to be trusted with nuclear weapons.

In the second place, there will have to be a revolution, not just an election. One way or another, prefereably bloodlessly or with a minimum of bloodshed, the students will have to overthrow the Mullahs. The Mullahs will never give up their power unless they are forced to.

This may require a selective Israeli and/or American strike.


9 posted on 02/12/2005 2:16:02 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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One can argue how beneficial it is that people who have no freedom in their own nations, and unwilling or unable to fight for it - flee to the USA.

Once here, (in the USA), they urge the USA to spend its blood and treasure (the US military)to accomplish what they could not.

Whenever we have made supreme sacrifices in our efforts to help nations acquire freedom from despots, the USA has always been villified as imperialists. (Haiti, Grenada, Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, North Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Lebanon)

Let us remember that Iranians drove the Shah into exile and death, begged for the return of Ayatollah Khoumani from France (surprise) and were complacent in the installation of the Mullahs. Whose responsibility is it to change Iran's regime?

Duh!

Please don't call President Bush's Iran policy schizophrenic.



12 posted on 02/12/2005 2:20:30 PM PST by highflight (from a distance - buzzards might appear as eagles.)
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I am not impressed with this article. There is nothing inevitable about Iran acquiring nuclear weapons.

Also, this reliance on "regime change" seems to me to be a blind, just as the Soviets fooled the West so well back with The Trust and the machinations of the Skoblins.

We do not have to wait on the Iranian people to rise up, and while we certainly would not mind aiding any real opposition, determining who is real and who is a tool of Iranian counter-intelligence is a matter that takes time that we just don't have.

The clock has ran out on this; if we wait much longer, Iran will have a fait accompli. I believe that President Bush will take the necessary action soon; if there is real Iranian resistance, then I hope that they show their bona fides soon.

All of this insistence on receiving U.S. cash and simultaneously pushing us away from military action makes me wary of the motives of those who urge us to wait, and wait some more.

18 posted on 02/12/2005 9:45:22 PM PST by snowsislander
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19 posted on 02/13/2005 3:51:55 AM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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Bump


21 posted on 02/13/2005 7:37:19 AM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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