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NYC:New York Hits Online Sellers of Cigarettes
New York Times.com ^ | 2-12-05 | IAN URBINA

Posted on 02/12/2005 2:20:01 PM PST by SheLion

Concerned about the booming trade in online cigarette sales, New York state officials have begun using a variety of techniques to clamp down on the trade, saying New York City alone is losing more than $75 million a year in uncollected tax revenues because of the sales.

In recent weeks, Attorney General Eliot Spitzer has been pushing local postal officials and private carriers to stop delivering cigarettes bought online. His office has also recently begun negotiations with credit card companies to block transactions of online cigarettes.

These efforts were given added push recently as local officials from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives met with credit card executives to alert them to the various ways in which these transactions are illegal.

"The tone was very cordial and unthreatening," said a city official who participated in the presentation three weeks ago at the bureau's office in Brooklyn. "But in the end they made it crystal clear that now that the credit card companies understood the law, they would be held accountable for processing these transactions."

Mr. Spitzer emphasized that the effort has as much to do with health as money. "These sales present a significant threat to public health because they provide easy access to cheap cigarettes, which increases smoking rates, particularly among children," he said. "These illegal sales also evade state tax requirements."

Whatever their motivation, city and state officials are broadening their efforts to eradicate the business.

Two weeks ago, a judge ruled in one of the city's four lawsuits against online sellers that the city can file a revised racketeering lawsuit against Internet cigarette sellers. The ruling was the first time a federal judge has indicated that Internet sellers can be charged under federal racketeering law, said Eric Proshansky, the city's chief lawyer on the case.

After gleaning the names and the addresses from a Virginia lawsuit against one online cigarette company, the city began sending letters last month to more than 2,600 New Yorkers who officials say bought tax-free cigarettes. The letters, sent to those who bought cigarettes online from July 2002 to April 2004, give the alleged violators 30 days to pay or face interest and penalties of up to $200 a carton.

In November, local law enforcement seized 300,000 cartons of illegal cigarettes at Kennedy International Airport. Joseph G. Green, a spokesman for the A.T.F., said that the seizure was the culmination of a yearlong investigation jointly conducted by the Queens district attorney's office; federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; postal inspectors; and city and state tax and finance officials.

Sam Miller, a spokesman for the city's Department of Finance, said that the city loses more than $75 million a year as people duck local taxes by purchasing online. But the crackdown has drawn some criticism.

"New York is simply trying to engage in economic protectionism by limiting cigarette sales to brick-and-mortar sellers," said James L. Bikoff, a lawyer who represents several Internet tobacco sellers. "Most of the folks who are in the online cigarette business are small outfits and they typically advise the consumer to check with their own city and state's laws regarding tax rules."

New York City smokers pay the highest cigarette taxes in the country, as the state charges a $1.50 tax per pack and the city adds an additional $1.50 tax per pack. A carton of cigarettes in the city costs about $70, including $33.30 in excise and sales taxes. Online, cigarettes cost as little as $15 a carton.

Thus far, the city and the state have met with mixed results in their efforts to control the online traffic in cigarettes.

Some banks that process MasterCard transactions have begun blocking sales from certain Internet tobacco sites to customers, said Joshua Peirez, a senior vice president at MasterCard. But other banks do not. American Express currently has no policy that blocks Internet cigarette sales, said Christine Elliott, a spokeswoman for the company.

After sending a letter to credit card executives in August, Mr. Spitzer joined several other state attorneys general to send another letter pressing credit card companies to stop the transactions.

Both letters cited several reasons for the failure of Internet tobacco sellers to comply with applicable laws, including that they make no effort to verify the age of their customers and fail to report shipment of cigarettes to the tobacco tax administrator of the state into which shipments are made.

While the United Parcel Service and other private carriers have been more open to the idea of blocking the delivery of these packages, postal officials have balked at pressure from Mr. Spitzer's office, claiming that they do not have the legal authority to stop the shipments, according to city officials who have been part of the discussions. But Mr. Spitzer's office contends that the postal service indeed has the authority under federal laws that prohibit mail fraud schemes, according to a letter sent by the office.

New York State passed a law that took effect in 2003 prohibiting online and mail-order sales of cigarettes to its residents. The law was largely intended to curb tax evasion and under-age smoking, since many online cigarette sites do virtually nothing to verify the age of customers.

Efforts to stop online sales are complicated, since Internet sites are sometimes based abroad and are therefore difficult to prosecute. City officials estimate that about 80 percent of the online cigarette sales come from sites that claim Indian affiliation, which for sovereignty reasons claim immunity from laws like the Jenkins Act.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
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Good ole BloomingIdiot!

AND the City COUNCEL!

Some banks that process MasterCard transactions have begun blocking sales from certain Internet tobacco sites to customers

It's ok to purchase porn over the Internet with Master Card and who's to say that CHILDREN aren't getting it?  So how can a credit card company stop a transaction?  I think these lawmakers are blowing threatening smoke.

Why would a CREDIT CARD company care WHAT the money is spent for?  There is a chipmunk in the wood pile as far as "I" am concerned.  I am very suspicious of this.  I believe this is just a scare tactic because they are desperate for the money!

1 posted on 02/12/2005 2:20:06 PM PST by SheLion
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To: TexasCowboy; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; ...
Unless the Master Card Corporation is based in NY and is working for or being paid under the table by these lawmakers, I really don't believe they will stop the sale of anything.
2 posted on 02/12/2005 2:20:47 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: All

How desperate are these idiot lawmakers. This is the most pathetic attempt to collect money I have ever witnessed in my entire life.


3 posted on 02/12/2005 2:23:41 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
"Mr. Spitzer emphasized that the effort has as much to do with health as money"

Yah....right.We might have been born at night,Comrade, but it wasn't last night!

4 posted on 02/12/2005 2:25:04 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yah....right.We might have been born at night,Comrade, but it wasn't last night!

Exactly! And they are still spewing "It's about the CHILDREN!" Well, I will tell you that no kid of mine was ever given a credit card. Especially to purchase online.

And no decent well informed UPS driver is going to hand over tobacco products to a kid answering the door. If the UPS driver knows by the label that it is indeed tobacco products.

The NYC Officials are complete A-holes!

5 posted on 02/12/2005 2:28:30 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
Concerned about the booming trade in online cigarette sales, New York state officials have begun using a variety of techniques to clamp down on the trade, saying New York City alone is losing more than $75 million a year in uncollected tax revenues because of the sales.

Oh and I thought they stopped online sales "for the children", to protect them? Now they admit the real reason, it's about the money, not that we didn't know all along.

6 posted on 02/12/2005 2:28:51 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: SheLion
The greediest institutions of all, bar none, are governmental institutions. The cigarette fraud is just making it more obvious.

We need to continue to starve the beast at all levels.

Hurray for the online cig sellers.

7 posted on 02/12/2005 2:32:04 PM PST by keithtoo (Defeat Le' Partie' Democratique)
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To: SheLion

Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets.


8 posted on 02/12/2005 2:32:43 PM PST by firebrand
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To: SheLion

Sounds to me like the United States Government needs to retake the State of New York, looks as if the Blooming Aliens have taken it over.


9 posted on 02/12/2005 2:33:40 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Gay State Conservative
I'm with you, it has absolutely Nothing to do with health. Or with children buying them. Children do not have credit cards, and most sites do require age verification.

As long as officials are promoting the deadly homosexual lifestyle, there is NO WAY anyone is going to take their so called health concerns seriously.

It's about getting a lot of money out of a small group of Americans, and for a legal substance!
10 posted on 02/12/2005 2:35:49 PM PST by gidget7
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To: Gay State Conservative
I'm with you, it has absolutely Nothing to do with health. Or with children buying them. Children do not have credit cards, and most sites do require age verification.

As long as officials are promoting the deadly homosexual lifestyle, there is NO WAY anyone is going to take their so called health concerns seriously.

It's about getting a lot of money out of a small group of Americans, and for a legal substance!
11 posted on 02/12/2005 2:35:53 PM PST by gidget7
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To: SheLion

Eliot Spitzer is a power mad freak. He should be STOPPED, but he'll probably by the next governor.

Let's face it, they think ALL the money is THEIRS FIRST.

Cripes how I hate them all.


12 posted on 02/12/2005 2:36:57 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: SheLion; neverdem
Welcome to New York! If Spitzer actually convinces anyone to stop this, I think we should change our nickname to the Nanny State (although I think California might have beaten us to it).

Did it ever occur to our politicians that maybe people are flocking to Internet sites to buy cigarettes because our cigarette taxes are too high, and they'd likely collect more in taxes if they LOWERED them?

Amazon.com and other Internet retailers that legally refuse to collect New York sales taxes are also flouting New York tax law. Why isn't he also targeting them?

BTW - I wonder if Eliot Spitzer has ever heard of the U.S. Constitution or the Commerce Clause?
13 posted on 02/12/2005 2:37:07 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: firebrand

If that is true, it would not take the ATF long to arrest the ones doing it. Where did you get your information?


14 posted on 02/12/2005 2:37:32 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: keithtoo

We need to continue to starve the beast at all levels.



Exactly, cigarettes are legal, and there is NO law that requires anyone to buy anything form the state or city they live in.

I can go to a state where I have relatives and buy them there, then what can they do? This is BS


15 posted on 02/12/2005 2:38:48 PM PST by gidget7
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To: lolhelp

Either the New York Post or the New York Sun.


16 posted on 02/12/2005 2:39:13 PM PST by firebrand
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To: conservative in nyc
Did it ever occur to our politicians that maybe people are flocking to Internet sites to buy cigarettes because our cigarette taxes are too high, and they'd likely collect more in taxes if they LOWERED them?

Those lucky enough to live near Indian reservations in NY can get their smokes a lot cheaper as well. I suspect legislators will keep trying to put a stop to that too, for the children.

17 posted on 02/12/2005 2:42:37 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: SheLion

Sounds like the real fraud being perpetuated is by the State of NY when they give the reasons for the crack down.


18 posted on 02/12/2005 2:42:53 PM PST by Marak
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To: firebrand
I would like to pass along some advise my Dad gave me over 55 years ago, never believe anything you read in the newspaper and never quote it as truth before you check it out personally.
19 posted on 02/12/2005 2:43:22 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: firebrand
Extremely few buy them for resale, and if that is the only problem, then they should do what other states have done. You can't for instance, go to NH and buy over 60 cartons. Anything less is ok.

Most sales are far less, and are for the consumers personal use.
20 posted on 02/12/2005 2:43:29 PM PST by gidget7
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To: conservative in nyc

I don't smoke cigarettes, but have I noticed that you can buy a carton of smokes for as little as $10 down here(Biloxi, Mississippi). What gives with the $70 a carton rip-off in New York? If I were a smoker, I'd vote with my feet!!


21 posted on 02/12/2005 2:44:27 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: gidget7

meant to say: "I have noticed"


22 posted on 02/12/2005 2:45:02 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Those lucky enough to live near Indian reservations in NY can get their smokes a lot cheaper as well.


Here's hoping if they try, the Indians raise holy hell! They are sovereign and do not have to comply with other government tax regulations.


23 posted on 02/12/2005 2:45:26 PM PST by gidget7
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To: conservative in nyc

I don't smoke cigarettes, but I have noticed that you can buy a carton of smokes for as little as $10 down here(Biloxi, Mississippi). What gives with the $70 a carton rip-off in New York? If I were a smoker, I'd vote with my feet!!


24 posted on 02/12/2005 2:45:36 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: SheLion

I don't smoke anymore - and I'm going to buy a carton online right now...


25 posted on 02/12/2005 2:46:26 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: gidget7
Here's hoping if they try, the Indians raise holy hell! They are sovereign and do not have to comply with other government tax regulations.

That's why they're having such a hard time passing legislation, they haven't figured out a way to get past that pesky sovereignty issue yet.

26 posted on 02/12/2005 2:48:50 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: The Loan Arranger
They just keep raising the taxes on them, states and cities, this is what it has gone up to when they are factored in. My relatives live in KY, you can still buy them at their regular price there as well.

MA, CT, NY, NJ, all are up around the same when taxes are added in. They figure its a good way to raise revenue. Trouble is they don't allow smoking anywhere, and a lot have quit. So thats even more money they were counting on and not getting.

It has NOTHING to do with the health factor.
27 posted on 02/12/2005 2:49:55 PM PST by gidget7
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
That's why they're having such a hard time passing legislation, they haven't figured out a way to get past that pesky sovereignty issue yet.


I know, its ridiculous! They actually did raid a store owned by the Narragansett's in RI, and arrested the Indians running it. They tried to seize all cigarettes, don't know how it all turned out.

Like I said, when these idiots stop endorsing and helping shove the homosexual lifestyle down our throats, perhaps we will take their health "concerns" into consideration. Not before.
28 posted on 02/12/2005 2:55:15 PM PST by gidget7
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To: gidget7

The smoking Nazis are on the march.

If demand for 'non-smoking' venues such as restaurants and bars are so great, why doesn't the private sector RISE UP and meet the demand, whilst the government leaves private establishments alone.

I already know the answer...


29 posted on 02/12/2005 2:56:41 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Don't know the answer either. I do know many business have had to close up due to the loss of business from smoking bans.

I read an article the other day, about CT businesses trying to reverse the bans there, for that reason. I am not counting on it working though.
30 posted on 02/12/2005 2:59:30 PM PST by gidget7
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To: SheLion
The whole anti-smoking jihad is all about taxes. Cigarette smokers can be easily taxed "for their own good". Despite all the rhetoric about smoking killing thousands no law maker would seriously consider banning smoking and the sale of cigarettes because of the loss of easy to raise tax revenue.

What's happening in NYC is akin to the story of killing the goose that layed the golden eggs. Greedy law makers seeking to raise revenues by punishing the evil smokers are faced with basic economics. As prices increase buyers will purchase less or look for less costly alternatives. Internet sales are just the tip of the iceberg as I'm sure organized crime is also taking advantage of consumers seeking lower cost smokes.

31 posted on 02/12/2005 3:01:23 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: conservative in nyc; SheLion

The day that they go after ALL internet sales for state taxes is the day I will sit up and pay attention.

Many people buy expensive items,like computers,from the Internet. I'm sure state taxes aren't added. When they start going after Dell and IBM and Apple I will pay attention and not until then.

They hate smoking,they hate smokers,they want their money----it is as simple as that.


32 posted on 02/12/2005 3:01:36 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible.)
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To: SheLion
Mr. Spitzer emphasized that the effort has as much to do with health as money.

ROTFLOL..funniest thing I have read for at least a week.
33 posted on 02/12/2005 3:02:12 PM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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To: gidget7
Like I said, when these idiots stop endorsing and helping shove the homosexual lifestyle down our throats, perhaps we will take their health "concerns" into consideration.

Not just that but other intrusive measures like mandatory seatbelt and helmet laws. They have nothing to do with promoting public health but were passed due to pressure from insurance companies. They're not even trying to hide their hypocrisy any longer, it's all about money.

34 posted on 02/12/2005 3:03:51 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: gidget7

The phrase "shove the homosexual lifestyle down our throats" is a bit unsettling. Would you care to rephrase that? :-)


35 posted on 02/12/2005 3:09:34 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: firebrand

"Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets."

WTF are you talking about? It's not your money in any way.


36 posted on 02/12/2005 3:14:09 PM PST by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: firebrand
It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets.

Looks to me as if YOUR the one in other peoples pockets!

37 posted on 02/12/2005 3:19:21 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: SheLion

How do you make everyone a criminal? Just keep passing idiotic laws. Pretty soon you can arrest anyone for anything.


38 posted on 02/12/2005 3:20:44 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: firebrand
Nothing is coming out of your pocket, you don't smoke if I remember correctly.

If your communist government didn't have smell fixations your government extortion's might be a good deal higher. Reminds me of probation.

Love;

Little Bill

39 posted on 02/12/2005 3:21:11 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: firebrand

Well then, raise taxes on junk food and alcohol and candy and anything else you think is bad for the people. And claim it's all for the children.

I've got a news flash for you. They're not taking anything out of your pocket. Anytime you're talking about taxes you're talking about the state taking money out of the peoples' pockets. Seems you're a little mixed up.


40 posted on 02/12/2005 3:24:50 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: SheLion
How desperate are these idiot lawmakers. This is the most pathetic attempt to collect money I have ever witnessed in my entire life.

Hardly "pathetic". It is terrifying. The police state in action courtesy of Ubergrupenfuhrer Spitzer. Expect him to outdo himself in the future as New York's next Governor.

41 posted on 02/12/2005 3:27:33 PM PST by montag813
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To: SheLion

And yet some people just don't get it!

REAL ID BILL PASSES (Sensenbrenner's illegal alien bill passes, will be attached to Iraq bill)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1340612/posts


42 posted on 02/12/2005 3:34:19 PM PST by quietolong
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To: SheLion

You are right about at least one thing -- this is all about money!


43 posted on 02/12/2005 3:38:28 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: firebrand; SheLion
"Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them."

Link, please.

I don't believe it.
I've bought cigarettes on line many times, and the max I could buy with one purchase was two cartons.
Now, I suppose I could have bought two cartons every day for sixty days and had a pretty good stash, but I don't think the profit would have been worth the time.

44 posted on 02/12/2005 3:44:13 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: SheLion

I also found this older article-
M/C falling in line?:
Attorney General Takes On Internet Cigarette Sales
Mon 02-07-2005 , 6:18 pm
SNIP***
Wisconsin Justice Department officials said Attorney Peg Lautenschlager will soon meet with executives of credit card companies to urge them to review the legality of processing online, cigarette purchases.

Officials said other state attorneys general will also be involved in the meeting. Last month, Lautenschlager and forty two other attorneys general signed on to a letter to credit card company executives which warned them ''virtually all online tobacoo retailers engage in illegal sales.''

SNIP**
http://www.wkowtv.com/$spindb.!query.1listnews.storeview.13993.news


45 posted on 02/12/2005 3:45:44 PM PST by Mark (Lib Kinsley-LA Times-"I'm sick of talking about values..When I want values I go to Wal-Mart"))
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To: firebrand

"Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets."

No, the politicians took the money out of our pockets when they got certifiably stupid with their mega tax hike on cigarettes. This was bot predictable and predicted.

Frankly I'm glad for every cent "stolen"


46 posted on 02/12/2005 3:47:38 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: SheLion

I was born and raised in PA and moved to NY seven years ago. The taxes here on everything are outrageous. If the state is cracking down on people who buy cigarettes in other states over the internet to save money, why don't they stop cars at the border when they cross into NY after filling up there gas tanks in a state like PA where gas is currently at least 20 cents cheaper per gallon? Why don't they stop my car at the border when I go out of state to purchase clothing that I don't pay taxes on? Instead of spying on law abiding citizens trying to save some money, why don't you crack down on the real crooks? Take a look around your office Mr. Spitzer. What's next? Will you be outlawing coupons used at the grocery stores?


47 posted on 02/12/2005 3:51:23 PM PST by virgoagogo123
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To: firebrand
Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets.

Taking out of YOUR POCKETS????

48 posted on 02/12/2005 3:52:20 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion
And to think we started the Revolutionary War primarily over a 3% tax.
49 posted on 02/12/2005 3:53:39 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: firebrand
Most of the people ordering cigarettes online are buying them in enormous quantities and reselling them. It is $75 million in tax money they are taking right out of our pockets.

So.  You are from New York.  Probably NYC.  By taking the taxes out of "your pockets," are you just a little afraid that with the loss of revenue from the smokers, that maybe.............just maybe the City will be taxing something 'you' love pretty soon to make up for the loss of money?  Sounds like it to ME!

50 posted on 02/12/2005 3:55:11 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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