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Calif. Republicans rallying on Schwarzenegger agenda
Reuters ^ | Feb. 12, 2005 | Jenny O'Mara

Posted on 02/12/2005 3:54:58 PM PST by FairOpinion

SACRAMENTO, Calif., Feb 12 (Reuters) - California's Republican loyalists said on Saturday they are ready to rally behind Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's ambitious political agenda that includes ballot measures Democrats vow to defeat.

Republicans meeting at the party's state convention in Sacramento said they will eagerly fight by Schwarzenegger's side if he asks voters to support this year's agenda through ballot measures, a sharp contrast to a September convention when party officials feared key conservative members would not embrace the socially moderate Hollywood icon.

But Schwarzenegger has in recent public appearances rarely missed an opportunity to stress he stands with conservatives on fiscal matters and that he has ruled out tax increases to balance the state's budget. California faces a $9.1 billion shortfall in the next fiscal year starting in July.

"When he first came onto the scene, I was skeptical ... but I think he's proven himself," said R.Q. Williams of Napa County's Republican Central Committee. "He hit the nail on the head, pointing out that what we need to do is rein in spending, not worry about how to figure out taxes and new fees."

At a dinner on Friday night, Schwarzenegger launched into a blistering attack on California's Democrat-led legislature to get rank-and-file Republicans to support potential ballot measures to overhaul the state government.

Democrats, he said, are "spending addicts" who are standing in the way of his agenda, which includes a plan to partially privatize the state's public pension funds. The largest and third-largest U.S. pensions funds are in the state.

PUT IT TO VOTERS

His plan mirrors White House aims for the Social Security system.

Democrats, public employee unions and pension fund officials oppose the plan, which Schwarzenegger says is needed so the state can rid itself of costly financial obligations to the funds. Schwarzenegger has threatened to put the plan to voters if lawmakers do not seriously consider it.

The plan would strike at the heart of one of the state Democratic Party's most significant sources of support.

"The train has left the station and there's three things they can do," Schwarzenegger said. "One is they can join and jump on the train. Number two, they can go and stay behind and just wave and be left behind, or number three, they get in front of the train and you know what happens then."

Republicans gave Schwarzenegger raucous cheers, reflecting a new confidence after years of being shut out in California's political wilderness.

"There's a euphoria that we're relevant again," said U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa. "The Republican party was doing very well in Washington, and was irrelevant in California for a number of years. It was also divided and leaderless. Now they are united with a tremendous leader."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: abortion; arnold; austrian; california; foreigner; gaymarriage; kennedylover; liberal; rino; schwarzenegger
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"There's a euphoria that we're relevant again," said U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa. "The Republican party was doing very well in Washington, and was irrelevant in California for a number of years. It was also divided and leaderless. Now they are united with a tremendous leader."

Issa is right.

Go Arnold, go Issa!

1 posted on 02/12/2005 3:54:59 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks to delegates at the California Republican Convention in Sacramento, Calif., Friday, Feb. 11, 2005. Calling the upcoming special election a 'great battle,' Schwarzenegger promised a victory over unions, special interests and Democrats. (AP Photo/Steve Yeater)

2 posted on 02/12/2005 3:56:45 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
I still have my misgivings about Ahnuld, but if he gets the GOP traction in that Godforsaken state, then more power to them all.


3 posted on 02/12/2005 3:58:07 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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To: Viking2002

Relevant again Bump

(Does that include Tom McClintock too? seeing as how he has been pushing for many of these same reforms for years.)


4 posted on 02/12/2005 4:01:16 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Viking2002

Progress not perfection........but of course I'm sure I'll be flamed for that.....doing nothing or leaving it in the hands of the Dems could hardly be better......


5 posted on 02/12/2005 4:01:30 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NormsRevenge
Does that include Tom McClintock too? seeing as how he has been pushing for many of these same reforms for years

He could've been relevant at any point by getting these initiatives on the ballot.

But he punted.

6 posted on 02/12/2005 4:03:39 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Tom is gonna get his dues.....he is the actual conservative in the matter but sometimes we have to compromise just a bit to establish a base as such and then can work from within .......being a strong conservative my friend, I know you will agree that any effort to rest control from the life long pol DUmmies is a good thing.....if they are against him, then I am for him........for now
7 posted on 02/12/2005 4:04:33 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NormsRevenge

"Does that include Tom McClintock too? seeing as how he has been pushing for many of these same reforms for years."


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Does that mean that McClintock will enthusiastically support Arnold and his reforms? Last I heard McC is planning to run for the Lt. Governorship as the "anti-
Arnold", promising that he will oppose everything that Arnold will try to do.


8 posted on 02/12/2005 4:06:20 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Does that mean that McClintock will enthusiastically support Arnold and his reforms? Last I heard McC is planning to run for the Lt. Governorship as the "anti- Arnold", promising that he will oppose everything that Arnold will try to do.

Wonder how much Indian tribal gaming money he'll scarf up THIS time. He says the tribes are sovereign nations. Didn't we get really hacked off about Clinton accepting foreign campaign donations, once upon a time?

9 posted on 02/12/2005 4:11:23 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: Poohbah

I think what Arnold said to the Democrats, applies to everyone else, including McC:

"The train has left the station and there's three things they can do," Schwarzenegger said. "One is they can join and jump on the train. Number two, they can go and stay behind and just wave and be left behind, or number three, they get in front of the train and you know what happens then."

Questions is, whether McC will get on the train, since he is claiming that Arnold is implementing his (McC's) ideas -- as if ideas were patented, and McC had been the first one, to have those conservative ideas in the history of the US.


10 posted on 02/12/2005 4:15:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
"He hit the nail on the head, pointing out that what we need to do is rein in spending, not worry about how to figure out taxes and new fees."

GO, ARNOLD!!!

11 posted on 02/12/2005 4:16:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Poohbah

How come Arnie hasn't given Tom a prime position ? Rinold would have lost without Tom in the race. Davis would still be governor.


12 posted on 02/12/2005 4:20:33 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: FairOpinion

And you would be a bold faced liar to say such a thing.

Show me any evidence that Tom is fighting the Governor in any way.

If that means he can not talk and raise his concerns , then I guess we may as well jusy put the Cuban flag up over the Capitol.


13 posted on 02/12/2005 4:23:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: John Lenin

"Rinold would have lost without Tom in the race."


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Arnold almost lost, and Bustamante almost won, BECAUSE Tom was in the race.


14 posted on 02/12/2005 4:23:31 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Poohbah

It is typical for you and others to drag the Indians into this mess. almost laughable.


15 posted on 02/12/2005 4:24:35 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: FairOpinion

I would expect more from you , but I am not surpised you are turning as vicious as some others here.


16 posted on 02/12/2005 4:25:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: FairOpinion

If the vote against the recall would have won it wouldn't have mattered. Tom kept the base in the race to vote no.


17 posted on 02/12/2005 4:26:13 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: NormsRevenge

It was in some of the articles the McC fans posted. I am not going to dig them out.

While I occasionally point out, that the information posted by some McC supporters in misleading, I don't call them liars.

Why are you so angry? Could it be because truth and facts are on my side?


18 posted on 02/12/2005 4:26:18 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NormsRevenge
See also:

CA: Governor calls GOP to 'great battle' ('ToTal ReFoRm')

19 posted on 02/12/2005 4:26:24 PM PST by calcowgirl
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The Christy Whitman Chapter of the CA GOP has arrived and is demanding tribute.

all bow to their eminences.


20 posted on 02/12/2005 4:26:39 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Stating facts, that McC is running as "anti-Arnold" is being vicious?


21 posted on 02/12/2005 4:27:23 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Yeah right, your group is so virtuos.

Gee, on a smoggy day , is the sky still blue for you in LA.

For the country club elite Republicans who live with their heads in the clouds, probably so.


22 posted on 02/12/2005 4:28:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: FairOpinion

>>Could it be because truth and facts are on my side?

Not a chance, from what I've seen.


23 posted on 02/12/2005 4:28:59 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: FairOpinion

LOL.. And please source your comment that Tom is "anti-Arnold".

He's pro-california and for all of its residents except the illegals ones.


24 posted on 02/12/2005 4:30:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: calcowgirl
re Quote,, This one..

"There's a euphoria that we're relevant again," said U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa. "The Republican party was doing very well in Washington, and was irrelevant in California for a number of years. It was also divided and leaderless. Now they are united with a tremendous leader."

I didn't know the existing CA GOP leadership is retiring ..lol... the burden of such a slugger batting average must be wearing them out. ;)

25 posted on 02/12/2005 4:35:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

ROFL!! What's Darrell smokin' these days? United?

btw, He uses that term "irrelevant" like Pete Wilson did.


26 posted on 02/12/2005 4:39:30 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NorCalRepub
Progress not perfection........but of course I'm sure I'll be flamed for that.....doing nothing or leaving it in the hands of the Dems could hardly be better......

I didn't flame you for that when I responded on another thread. You did, however, fail to respond. One more time:

And what do you consider "progress"? Putting 1/5 of the state land under the Sierra Nevada Conservancy, run by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats? Putting the state $25 billion in debt, while continuing to increase spending for more social programs? Diverting expense to the local level (with no matching revenue) to force local tax increases?

Please note, these are not "single issues" nor do they have much to do with "social views," unless of course you consider communism a social view that should be accepted in the interest of "moderation".


27 posted on 02/12/2005 4:43:03 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

put it this way without arguing the minutia.....Davis was bad, McClintock was good, Bustamante was bad, Arnold was in the middle and the most likely to win......I won't argue the finer points with you now......I'm having too much fun conversing with tolerant FR's here....I note your displeasure with Arnold......carry on


28 posted on 02/12/2005 4:46:02 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NormsRevenge

In an article posted by an ardent McC fan:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310463/posts


"Lest we forget the senator's bent to be the Republican Party's "Arnold Antagonist" at ever turn... "


29 posted on 02/12/2005 4:46:02 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NormsRevenge

Almost? Norm, you're slippling. Grin...


30 posted on 02/12/2005 4:50:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: FairOpinion
lol.. garamendi is a shoo-in if Tom wins the slot for Lt Gub..

Like I said , you're pretty much turning into a lost cause and irrelevant in my book. ;-)

Riddle me this, FO. If the reforms all go down to defeat, will the Gub run again?

His movie career timer is ticking, can't waste too many more years politicking and frittering others money and support away.

T'wouldn't be prudent. ;-)

31 posted on 02/12/2005 4:54:45 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NorCalRepub
put it this way without arguing the minutia.....Davis was bad, McClintock was good, Bustamante was bad, Arnold was in the middle and the most likely to win......I won't argue the finer points with you now......I'm having too much fun conversing with tolerant FR's here....I note your displeasure with Arnold......carry on

You seem to want to quickly label those whose opinions you do not share as being intolerant and to avoid giving support for your contentions. If state spending, property rights, and borrowing are minutia, what do you find to be relevant?

You said Arnold has made progress. I asked how. It's a simple question. I'm not reliving the election; Bustamante, Davis, and McClintock are not relevant to my question. I'm talking about from November 2003 forward.

In contrast, I cited examples that have pushed us further to the left, negative progress.

Why do you participate in a "discussion" forum, if you aren't willing to engage in discussion?

32 posted on 02/12/2005 4:57:57 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

well you are intolerant........I did not dismiss your opinions at any point......at all...you are entitled to them...but following me around the posts and to keep hitting me on it seems to show me that you are not willing to let sleeping dogs lie.....why is this so important that you feel compelled to foist your opinions on me. I've moved on to other posts and blogs.....just let it go calcowgirl......what is your aim and what is your insecurity???


33 posted on 02/12/2005 5:02:46 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: FairOpinion
Here's my problem with this. It's now February 2005. Arnold has been governor for 14 months now. Now he decides that taking it to the people might be a good idea.

What I see as a problem with this, is that noting is going to be placed before the people until...

That's right cowboys and cowgirls, next spring. Shazam, who would have thought that Arnold would hold off his "sure-winner" until reelection time? Certainly not me...

This state needs massive spending cuts, and has for years. Schwarzenegger "seemed" to believe that in 2003. He was pretty convinced of it running in the recall race. Here we are in 2005, and by golly he's convinced of it yet again.

I don't know who it is going to be, but I pray to God we get a real conservative to run in the primary of 2006. Only Republicans will be choosing between Arnie and what I hope will be a second viable candidate, one that is actually conservative. Then it will be time to send Arnie out to pasture.

I realize that Schwarzenegger might be the guy to get the people to sit up and take notice regarding spending. Perhaps he can move this state in the right direction. If so, then why hasn't he?

I do not want this guy holding office for a full term after 2006. I for dang sure don't want some pinhead to submit a Constitutional amendment so Arnold can run for President.

The time to remove him is next spring.
34 posted on 02/12/2005 5:04:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: FairOpinion
Arnold almost lost, and Bustamante almost won, BECAUSE Tom was in the race.

That's a preposterous statement. Arnold and McClintock combined got more than twice as many votes as Bustamante. If more Republicans hadn't sold out to the celebrity candidate, Arnold might have won by a smaller margin, but he still would have won.
35 posted on 02/12/2005 5:06:08 PM PST by UncleDick
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To: NorCalRepub
Rinold is just propping up the dems in this state. He gives their ideas a moderate appearance. He has a veto pen to ring the spotlight on the problems an he should it instead of thinking he can put everything on the ballot. It takes leadership to overcome what's going on here, so far Arnie has shown that he can't do it and will risk putting it on the ballot. This state votes for more debt, it's a risk I wouldn't take.
36 posted on 02/12/2005 5:10:57 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

I have to disagree......if Arnold was propping up the Dems, than why are they out to get him and circumvent him...I too think the initiative system can be bad at times since people voted to have a % or revenue be obligated towards certain programs......I think most people in Calif don't follow the issues as well as others from other states because they are preoccupied and thus vote for what sounds right instead of learning about the issue


37 posted on 02/12/2005 5:17:45 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

Vote ? Think, mind numbed robots ...


38 posted on 02/12/2005 5:21:29 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: NorCalRepub

"I'm having too much fun conversing with tolerant FR's here...."


We are also "pragmatic, sensible conservatives, who are grounded in reality", in addition to being tolerant towards the vicious little "all or nothing" promoters, who vastly prefer nothing to something, and they never learned, that "It's better to light one candle, than curse the darkness". They keep trying to put out the candle, to return us to full darkness and Democrat dominance.


39 posted on 02/12/2005 5:22:42 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: John Lenin

well they do "vote"......whatever you call it...I've argued many a moon about Boxer for instance.....you being a Californian would admit that most people here may be Dem but not activist liberals like her but blindly "vote" the party line thus keeping her around


40 posted on 02/12/2005 5:23:34 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

That's because I and others finally wised up and stopped arguing with them -- they are looking for fresh meat.

You are being wise, to not let yourself be drawn into those arguments.


41 posted on 02/12/2005 5:24:33 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: DoughtyOne

"I do not want this guy holding office for a full term after 2006. "

Yes, we know, you can hardly wait for another Davis or Bustamante, instead.


42 posted on 02/12/2005 5:25:31 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NorCalRepub

Don't worry about it -- some of our ferocious McC supporters admitted to having voted for Clinton and Boxer, and expressed that they would prefer Bustamante.

How they can run around continuing to call themselves conservatives is beyond me, but they do.


43 posted on 02/12/2005 5:27:24 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NorCalRepub

I'm foisting nothing. I was not stating an opinion, I was asking yours.

You said there was progress. I asked for examples.

Simple question. Do you have a simple answer, or will you resort to name calling again?

Insecurity? ROFL!


44 posted on 02/12/2005 5:28:03 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NorCalRepub

The system is rigged here, I say it has to get worse before it can get better. It would expose what's really going on here.


45 posted on 02/12/2005 5:28:13 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: FairOpinion

agreed........they are almost as bad as the DUmmies in some cases......pragmatism as you said is better than losing the whole thing and wondering what we did wrong....don't know why some conservatives are so extreme that they have to label everyone a RINO or traitor that doesn't agree with them.......


46 posted on 02/12/2005 5:28:28 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: FairOpinion

well sometimes I do like arguing with them....I really do but when it becomes boring and nonending then it is time to move on.......they don't realize that they are just as intolerant as liberals but they don't even hear themselves talk


47 posted on 02/12/2005 5:30:35 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

I post on these thread some, so that lurkers don't think that everyone thinks, like the unrealistic (to be charitable) few. Fortunately they are in a minority.

Most conservatives are indeed also sensible, and when the chips were down, they did vote for Arnold, and are not sorry for it, watching Arnold really making major changes, a step at a time.

"A jouney of a thousand miles begins with one step."


48 posted on 02/12/2005 5:33:54 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; NormsRevenge; tubebender; Seadog Bytes
We are also "pragmatic, sensible conservatives, who are grounded in reality", in addition to being tolerant towards the vicious little "all or nothing" promoters, who vastly prefer nothing to something, and they never learned, that "It's better to light one candle, than curse the darkness". They keep trying to put out the candle, to return us to full darkness and Democrat dominance.

OH MY! Now that's a keeper!

49 posted on 02/12/2005 5:34:53 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; FairOpinion

I give up........finally.....go read FairOpinion and what they have to say.....it is how I stand also on this....I said insecure because you feel the need to follow me around and expound your ideas or continue to ask for examples. You guys are so mad at someone or something that you need to take it out on anyone who will listen and react like I did......as we keep saying to the Dems and Kerry......"you lost, get over it"


50 posted on 02/12/2005 5:35:34 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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