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In the Blogosphere, Lightning Strikes Thrice
Washington Post ^ | 02/13/05 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 02/12/2005 9:03:26 PM PST by Pikamax

In the Blogosphere, Lightning Strikes Thrice

By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, February 13, 2005; Page D01

The blogosphere, with its lightning speed and rough-edged sense of justice, seems to be claiming more victims more quickly.

Three dramatic departures in recent days have highlighted the one-strike-and-you're-out nature of trial by Internet. Eason Jordan quit under pressure as CNN's chief news executive Friday night over his remarks on U.S. soldiers killing journalists in Iraq, following a relentless campaign by online critics but scant coverage in the mainstream press. In past episodes, journalists have been forced to resign, or news organizations to admit error, after Web commentators helped push a controversy into newspaper and television reports. In Jordan's case, the middle step was all but skipped.

Critics blamed the halting nature of Jordan's and CNN's defense. "Blogs are unforgiving of that lack of speedy responsiveness," says veteran magazine editor Jeff Jarvis, who blogs at buzzmachine.com. "We used to be the gatekeepers," and would grapple with criticism "in our own sweet time. You'd think we would understand the speed of news better than anybody, and we don't. We used to control that speed."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cnn; compost; easonjordan; gannon; kurtz; md4bush; ncpac; newmedia
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They put this in the tech section? I guess the next followup will be in the classifieds.
1 posted on 02/12/2005 9:03:26 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

Nah back in the Obits because that's what they're hoping will happen to the bloggashpere.


2 posted on 02/12/2005 9:05:36 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Pikamax

And -- ohhhhh, yeah -- at the very end they finally remember to point out that Howie Kurtz has a show on CNN.


3 posted on 02/12/2005 9:09:25 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Mo1
Blog Ping!
4 posted on 02/12/2005 9:09:53 PM PST by Brad's Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: Pikamax
In past episodes, journalists have been forced to resign, or news organizations to admit error, after Web commentators helped push a controversy into newspaper and television reports. In Jordan's case, the middle step was all but skipped.

And whose fault was that?? Did the web commentators intimidate the major news networks and newspapers into not covering the story?

I guess the next followup will be in the classifieds.

After that it will go to the obituary page.

5 posted on 02/12/2005 9:09:58 PM PST by jellybean (Yullah imshe!! -- Let's Roll!)
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To: Pikamax

I love how the Wapo just can't bring their little peabrains to mention Fr. They tried to destroy Fr, and it didn't work. Revenge is a dish best served cold. HEHEHEHE


6 posted on 02/12/2005 9:10:25 PM PST by marty60
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To: Pikamax

> Blogs are unforgiving ...

But they are largely self-correcting,
unlike the dying legacy media.

Indeed, one might say that blogs-as-news
exists precisely because the legacy media
had convinced itself that correction was
almost never required.

Not to mention bias? What bias?
How dare you call us dinosaurs biased.


7 posted on 02/12/2005 9:12:03 PM PST by Boundless
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If journalists actually REPORTED news, instead of fabricating it, then they wouldn't have to worry about the blogosphere.


8 posted on 02/12/2005 9:12:08 PM PST by oolatec
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To: oolatec
I can't read that .. the font is too small

Here .. this is better :0)

If journalists actually REPORTED news, instead of fabricating it, then they wouldn't have to worry about the blogosphere

9 posted on 02/12/2005 9:14:56 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
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To: Pikamax

has a transcript of this meeting/discussion been released yet? I remember reading that Olly North had a copy of it and was planning to release it.


10 posted on 02/12/2005 9:15:29 PM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine!)
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To: jellybean; Brad's Gramma; Mo1; kcvl

Gee, it's sounding more and more like Howie's beginning to get the picture that WE don't need HIM to tell us what's "what" with the press anymore.

This is his second whack at "bloggers" within two days. (Aren't you glad we're not bloggers?)

He may be out of job soon.


11 posted on 02/12/2005 9:16:03 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: martin_fierro

Maybe the "blogesphere is getting a little to close for old howies comfort.


12 posted on 02/12/2005 9:17:16 PM PST by marty60
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To: Mo1

I've been trying to follow this story, and it is a little complicated. What I understand is that a democrat baited a high-profile Republican into responding with information that the democrat published to use against the republican, against FR--right?

The republican thought that a FR identity and FReepmail were safe, but he didn't know who he was giving information to, is that right?

I'm so confused...:-(


13 posted on 02/12/2005 9:18:30 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Pikamax
They put this in the tech section? I guess the next followup will be in the classifieds.

CNN put the announcement of Jordan's resignation in the Entertainment section.

Admittedly, it was entertaining...

14 posted on 02/12/2005 9:18:53 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Mo1

PS, go ahead and laugh at me. I really regret not being able to follow this story...


15 posted on 02/12/2005 9:20:03 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: marty60
Maybe the "blogesphere is getting a little to close for old howies comfort.

I'm with you on that one.

16 posted on 02/12/2005 9:20:28 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Bobber58

So Eason Jordan resigned, with no notice from the rest of Lamestream Media. There is no "there" there, on that aspect.
When Trent Lott said at a party for an old man that Strom Thurmond would have made a great President, he was celebrating the man himself, not what that old man had once believed. Lott would never endorse the past ignorance of people, and everyone knows it...but he was pummelled in the press, and by his colleagues, until he dutifully fell on his sword for giving even the hint.

In Jordans case, he fell on his sword for leaving evidence behind, ie, a videotape, plus transcripts from previous statements. Of course, the left and the media are perfectly willing to entertain any crackpot half-whispered charge that throws the Republicans and the military into a harsh light., but to get caught at it without wiggle room simply isn't done, and therein lies the difference.

Once you accept that Noam Chomsky, Ward Churchill, et al are the icons of leftist thought, then the demure cantings of more reasonable liberals like Eason, Kennedy, Dean, Pelosi, Krugman, Friedman, etc. can be seen in proper light.

Chomsky is so twisted in philosophy and machinations on the evils of American exceptionalism that by contrast, the loons at Air America read like "Dick & Jane". He's certainly a linguist and wordsmith, but boil it all down and it's little more than projected self-loathing. The man is a twit with a thesaurus. Ward Churchill so hates the eurocentric roots of the U.S. that he eschewed his own lily-white lineage, pretending to be an indian and calling for the removal of the United States from North America, and more 9/11's. The man clearly has the top of his teepee tied too tightly.

No wonder Howard Dean said that Democrats have to appeal to the "southern, redneck, pickup-driving, gun-in-the-back-window crowd". Sure, they vote, but they're as far removed from liberal thought as the idea that money actually belongs to the people that earn it...a quaint and clearly deluded notion.

They can't actually just come out and say this kind of crap though. Words must be couched, nuanced, and subtle. Spending is investment, tax cuts are costs, liberation is occupation, the death penalty is murder, suicide bombers are "insurgent freedom-fighters", cultural diversity is "no whites, Christians or conservatives", and total government control is "risk-averse optimization".

Although Dean says he hates Republicans, and Hillary says they're gonna take your money for the larger good, those sound bites don't get any play in the lamestream media. Those words are for the sycophant insiders, and are only reported on blogs, conservative forums, right-wing radio, and Fox news.

Slowly though, the grip loosens, due to these outlets. It's not just the numbers of people who watch Fox, or listen to Rush, or read the blogs; though their numbers are impressive. It's also in the daily interactions these people have with others. It's how they read, do more research, develop arguments and ideas, and assimilate all this new information into the everyday political and social debates they have with their friends, co-workers, and acquaintances.

John Kerry is not President,thanks to SwiftBoatVets and the Internet, though he still clings to his Majic Hat. Dan Rather was laid low by FreeRepublic and the blogs, and the debate is over as to whether he was decieved or lied, regardless the CBS findings. Eason Jordan is toast thanks to Hugh Hewitt and others, and more people know about it than the lamestream media care to admit.

While hard-core leftists and liberals are shouting so loudly that they cannot tell that fewer of their canaries singing, more people are beginning to hear what these anti-american, self-styled european socialists are saying, and they are beginning to abandon the mines for the fresh air and light above ground.


17 posted on 02/12/2005 9:20:53 PM PST by Bobber58 (whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
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To: Pikamax
Always remember folks that these people went to school, formed their "connections," got the proper introductions, and kissed the right butts to win their coveted cushy jobs. They expected long and secure careers. Suddenly, even frighteningly, everything changed. With a mere push of a button, a single person can scoop them, or point out inconvenient facts about something they wrote, and post a stinging rebuttal or other message which can be instantly accessed and read WORLDWIDE! And often, it is done for FREE!!!!!
18 posted on 02/12/2005 9:22:26 PM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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To: Howlin; kristinn

LOL.. the news media has been all over the 'blogs' lately


19 posted on 02/12/2005 9:25:57 PM PST by GeronL (--I'm thinking, I'm thinking!)
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To: Howlin

May I please slip into something more comfortable, such as my PAJAMAS, before answering you? :)

They'll never understand FR, will they? They'll never understand how we all long for the truth. Just the truth.

And if it's not given us, we'll go get it!!! We will NOT manufacture it! Sheesh, what IS so hard about that?



20 posted on 02/12/2005 9:26:43 PM PST by Brad's Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: Judith Anne

It could have been a Dem operative but its more likely to have been a reporter


21 posted on 02/12/2005 9:27:32 PM PST by GeronL (--I'm thinking, I'm thinking!)
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To: GeronL

Thanks. I just wondered if I got the basic gist of the thing.


22 posted on 02/12/2005 9:28:16 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

That you did. AND...no one's going to laugh at you.


23 posted on 02/12/2005 9:29:11 PM PST by Brad's Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: Howlin; jellybean; Brad's Gramma; Mo1; kcvl
He may be out of job soon.

Not soon enough for Howie baby, as far as I'm concerned.

24 posted on 02/12/2005 9:30:06 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Mo1
"If journalists actually REPORTED news, instead of fabricating it, then they wouldn't have to worry about the blogosphere..."

Many years ago the Printing press broke the strangle hold on information that the church and governments had. And because of the printing press the church split and religious persecutions became more rampant. Eventually people got so sick of the lack of freedom to worship they got in tiny boats and headed across the ocean to a new land.

Eventually that land became the most powerful nation on the face of the earth. Because of the freedoms built into the founding documents of this new land, the standard of living here is even that the poorest among us live in luxury compared to most people in the rest of the world.

Now many years late we are hell bent on removing any and all mention of religion from public places.

If irony could be turned into liquid form we would all be swimming in the USA for the next 100 years.

Now we have the Internet and the strangle hold that the MSM has had for the last 100 years is fading quickly. I hope I live to see how this New Media all turns out!

25 posted on 02/12/2005 9:30:18 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: marty60
I have a suggestion relative to where Kurtz can go.

But, I am an old man, with a sweet bride of well over 50 years; and I don't want to be locked up for the rest of my poker-playing life!!!

So, I will leave it to my fellow Freepers to bury this bum in his own discredited mire -- one blog at a time! With heartfelt thanks, I might add. *S*

Happy weekend, all.
26 posted on 02/12/2005 9:30:29 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: GeronL; Brad's Gramma
LOL.. the news media has been all over the 'blogs' lately

In the words of Bruce Willis in Die Hard, "Welcome to the party, pal."

27 posted on 02/12/2005 9:31:05 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Thanks...I've been really careful here because of a terrible experience 5-6 years ago on *another forum*


28 posted on 02/12/2005 9:31:53 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Pikamax
The blogosphere, with its lightning speed and rough-edged sense of justice, seems to be claiming more victims more quickly.

Three dramatic departures in recent days have highlighted the >one-strike-and-you're-out nature of trial by Internet

No, it's just the facts Howie, just THE FACTS.

29 posted on 02/12/2005 9:33:21 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Judith Anne

Well, THAT'LL teach ya! Stay home where you belong! :)


30 posted on 02/12/2005 9:34:29 PM PST by Brad's Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Someday people might hop into small ships and settle a new world, literally, in search of freedom.


31 posted on 02/12/2005 9:34:30 PM PST by GeronL (--I'm thinking, I'm thinking!)
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To: Howlin
All they have to do is report the truth accurately

If not .. We on the Internet will be their worse nightmare

Oh and as for Eason Jordon??

If he's soooooo dang innocent??

PLAY THE TAPE AND PROVE IT!!
32 posted on 02/12/2005 9:34:47 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
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To: Brad's Gramma
They'll never understand how we all long for the truth. Just the truth.

Exactly. I wrote my post #29 before I read this!

33 posted on 02/12/2005 9:35:05 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Brad's Gramma

Well I have, since I got here. ;-D

Learned MY lesson!


34 posted on 02/12/2005 9:35:22 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Bobber58

Great post!


35 posted on 02/12/2005 9:39:21 PM PST by RegT
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To: dk/coro
But, I am an old man, with a sweet bride of well over 50 years...

Your wife is a lucky woman.

36 posted on 02/12/2005 9:41:18 PM PST by jellybean (Yullah imshe!! -- Let's Roll!)
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To: Judith Anne
"I'm so confused...:-("

Thanks for asking the question. I was too but, that cleared it up.

37 posted on 02/12/2005 9:41:24 PM PST by blam
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To: Judith Anne
All we know for a fact is that someone under the screen name MD4Bush baited NCPAC, who worked for Maryland Governor Ehrlich (R), into a FReepmail conversation, excerpts of which were later partially reprinted in the Washington Post and Baltimore Sun. The underlying rumors were posted on Free Republic on 7/19/04, but also appeared in dcrtv.com's Mailbag in June and Early July, and in USENET postings in early July BEFORE they were posted here. MD4Bush posted NCPAC's FReepmails to him three times on two long dormant Free Republic threads shortly before the Washington Post story was posted here (on 2/8, IIRC), and (likely) at the same time as the Washington Post published its story on the Internet. The first post was of just the FReepmails; he or she underlined what I'd characterize as the portions of the FReepmails most damaging to NCPAC in the other 2 posts.

Am I missing any relevant facts? If I haven't, everything else you see posted here are probably educated guesses on the part of FReepers (some of whom know more than me) as to who MD4Bush is and how the Washington Post and Baltimore Sun got their hands on the FReepmails.

The Washington Post and Baltimore Sun don't seem to care to get to the bottom of showing who was actually spreading the rumors first. They're content in hanging the rumor-mongering on Governor Ehrlich to tarnish his nice guy reputation. The Baltimore Sun has a particular axe to grind with the Governor and is actually suing him because he refuses to let anyone in his administration speak with one of their reporters and one of their very liberal political columnists. I'm not sure why we haven't seen more out of the Washington Post (even a statement that they've tried to ascertain the original source of the rumors, but can't).

Hint to Lurking MSM: Try Googling "O'Malley Baderinwa". It's not rocket science.
38 posted on 02/12/2005 9:45:47 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: Judith Anne
it was NCPAC ... he made a comment in one of his posts that he worked in politics .. I'm not sure if he mentioned that he worked in the Gov office

Well .. there apparently has been a rumor about the Mayor of Baltimore floating around.

We aren't sure who exactly MD4Bush is .. but s/he's first post was to NCPAC regarding this rumor. MD4Bushthen proceeded to freepmail NCPAC and talk about this rumor

From what we can tell MD4Bush started this .. not NCPAC

Some time later .. up pops this WP article about the Private Freepmails and they printed them .. also shortly before the article came out .. MD4Bush posted these private freepmails on an old thread .. which then makes them not private anymore since they are on an public board

NCPAC resigned from his job because of it

Jim traced the IP and says it's from a dirty tricksters but he's not giving any other info out about who it is

So either this was a set up by the 2 authors from the WP .. or it's a set up from a Dem trickster .. or both

We haven't figured that part out yet

39 posted on 02/12/2005 9:48:50 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
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To: Judith Anne; Brad's Gramma
I've been really careful here because of a terrible experience 5-6 years ago on *another forum*

I've been toast for years with the wackos from other forums - I don't even bother worrying about it anymore. They mine this site for anything I say and post it on other message boards in an effort to make me look less than credible - in fact they take what I say out of context in such a manner as to make it look like I am saying things I have never said in their effort to make me look as if I am other than an intelligent, well read, rational person.

The funniest thing is, they hit my typos on a regular basis - obviously they can't attack my arguments.

My words in this post have been carefully chosen, for above mentioned reasons.

40 posted on 02/12/2005 9:51:18 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Pikamax
Here's what Kurtz had to say about NCPAC:

A day earlier, in a case in which use of the Internet was itself the scandal, Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich fired his longtime aide Joseph Steffen for posting false rumors on the conservative site FreeRepublic.com and in e-mails. Steffen was accusing Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley, who may challenge Ehrlich next year, of conducting an extramarital affair, which he and his wife denied at an emotional news conference. The mainstream media had provided a check on the excesses of the Internet, rather than the other way around.

I guess Kurtz is not a fan of the Star Wars trilogy. The Empire has Struck Back. But he should be awaiting the sequel: Return of the Internet.
41 posted on 02/12/2005 9:56:01 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: Mo1

And the WaPo sued FReeRepublic and JR over printing their their content????

ESCUSE me - they printed correspondence from FR.....I've got a major problem with this.


42 posted on 02/12/2005 9:57:46 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Judith Anne

Try as I might, I can't follow it either--so you're not alone.


43 posted on 02/12/2005 9:58:41 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Pikamax

Not so! Ward Churchill is still alive and well. He should be the next to resign.


44 posted on 02/12/2005 9:59:52 PM PST by El Oviedo
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To: Gabz

Well they were private correspondence until MD4Bush posted them on a months all thread

The timing of is all smells of a set up

We just need to prove it


45 posted on 02/12/2005 10:00:52 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
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To: Gabz; Mo1; Judith Anne
The Washington Post never printed the whole exchange. They excerpted, just like we're required to.

The Washington Post also has copies (or excerpts) of MD4Bush's FReepmails to NCPAC, which were NOT posted here.
46 posted on 02/12/2005 10:00:58 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: RegT
I have a spot at blogspot...I've settled on a weekend essay of sorts...this is my third installment, and each has been shorter than the last...I can imagine that in a few months it'll consist of "just d*mn"... :)

Squirming

47 posted on 02/12/2005 10:01:30 PM PST by Bobber58 (whatever it takes, for as long as it takes)
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To: conservative in nyc; Gabz
The Washington Post never printed the whole exchange. They excerpted, just like we're required to.

You're right .. thanks for pointing that out

48 posted on 02/12/2005 10:02:44 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)
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To: Pikamax
They (our betters) have freedom of speech, but when we speak, we're "morons"?

When an elite lies about our military and we point it out we're the ones who are wrong? Gimme a break.

The little people don't know their place when dealing with the high and mighty liberal elites of CNN or CBS or the Columbia Journalism Review? Maybe the little people don't care.

Is the rise of crusading bloggers a healthy development, as many media analysts maintain, or the creation of a new Wild West with no rules or responsibilities? Hours after Jordan stepped down, Steve Lovelady of Columbia Journalism Review e-mailed his verdict to New York University professor and blogger Jay Rosen: "The salivating morons who make up the lynch mob prevail."

49 posted on 02/12/2005 10:04:18 PM PST by GOPJ (Jacksonville and the NFL did us proud. Thanks for a great show.)
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To: Pikamax
They (our betters) have freedom of speech, but when we speak, we're "morons"?

When an elite lies about our military and we point it out we're the ones who are wrong? Gimme a break.

The little people don't know their place when dealing with the high and mighty liberal elites of CNN or CBS or the Columbia Journalism Review? Maybe the little people don't care.

Is the rise of crusading bloggers a healthy development, as many media analysts maintain, or the creation of a new Wild West with no rules or responsibilities? Hours after Jordan stepped down, Steve Lovelady of Columbia Journalism Review e-mailed his verdict to New York University professor and blogger Jay Rosen: "The salivating morons who make up the lynch mob prevail."

50 posted on 02/12/2005 10:05:05 PM PST by GOPJ (Jacksonville and the NFL did us proud. Thanks for a great show.)
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