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Schindler’s risk
The State ^ | Sun, Feb. 13, 2005 | MARTHA WAGGONER

Posted on 02/13/2005 4:06:20 AM PST by lizol

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1 posted on 02/13/2005 4:06:22 AM PST by lizol
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To: lizol

Illustrates that courage and honor are complex things sometimes, but courage and honor nonetheless.


2 posted on 02/13/2005 4:10:46 AM PST by USMCVet
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Absolutely correct.

I recall a story about a nazi diplomat who was living in China and was appalled at the treatment of the Chinese at the hands of the Japanese. He ended up protecting a couple of hundred of the Chinese by keeping them inside of the compound where he lived.

It seems that he returned to Germany and began to speak out in opposition to the treatment of the Jews. He was eventually imprisoned.

Yes courage can be very complex.
3 posted on 02/13/2005 4:22:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (they call me tater.)
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To: lizol

In the end he sacrificed everything, but saved his soul.


4 posted on 02/13/2005 4:29:28 AM PST by hershey
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To: cripplecreek

I believe he asked Hitler to tell the Japanese to back off. Of course Hitler did nothing.


5 posted on 02/13/2005 4:32:05 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: lizol

The idea that Schindler was the most righteous gentile for saving 1000 Jews overlooks what was done by Pius XII--who saved almost a million Jewish lives. Despite the smear campaign launched by the Soviets in the mid-fifties and perpetuated by Catholic-bashers till recent years, this good man's story is finally getting out--the papal decree that commanded all convents and monasteries to become hiding places for Jewish refugees, the fake baptismal certificates and passports printed by the Vatican to give cover to the refugees, the liturgical vessels of gold melted-down to pay necessary ransoms and bribes paid to Nazis to look the other way as caravans of food left daily from the Vatican to secret destinations...


6 posted on 02/13/2005 4:44:59 AM PST by ultima ratio
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John Rabe was the consul in Nanking during the "Rape of Nanking" when the Japanese attacked the city, and occupied it. He was part of a committee of foreigners from the Foreign sector of the city - the International Safety Zone - (including an American missionary who brought pictures out) that coordinated rescue efforts for Chinese civilians by bringing them into the foreigners' compound. Since Germany was on good terms with Japan, he often was the "point man" in dealing with the Japanese.

Upon his return to Germany, Rabe sent a report on Japanese barbarity to Hitler, and tried to meet with him. A visit from the Gestapo and a short jail term was followed by obscurity.

Suggested reading: "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang
7 posted on 02/13/2005 5:08:11 AM PST by PzLdr (Liberals are like slugs-they leave a trail of slime wherever they go.)
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To: ultima ratio

Like many others before him, Schindler began thinking it was all about him and realized at the end that it was for this purpose he had been placed in that place at that time, and he stepped up. I have a lot more respect for a man like him than I do for a Pope who after all was following his job description.

Not that I devalue the Pope, far from it. But remember there is more rejoicing in Heaven over the one reclaimed than over the 99 who never strayed.


8 posted on 02/13/2005 5:09:23 AM PST by KateatRFM
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"He was the single most righteous gentile during the Holocaust."

He didn't give his life to stop the Nazis although he risked it. He was no more righteous a gentile than the thousand who died storming Normandy or died in Africa or anywhere else in the effort to defeat the Nazis.

He saved over a thousand yet the American soldier saved the extermination of the whole race.

9 posted on 02/13/2005 5:13:56 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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I am not detracting from Schindler. But neither should we denigrate Pius XII who did more than any other single human being during the war--more than FDR or Churchill, for instance--to save Jewish lives. He did grow silent eventually. But this was because he wished to deflect attention from himself in order to protect the lives dependent on him. Ironically, this became the handle that his enemies used later on to smear his reputation.

But it would be wrong, as you are suggesting, to suppose he was "just doing his job". He went far beyond what was merely required in the name of justice. For instance, since the food refugees were given was necessarily of the coarsest fare, Pius himself refused anything other than what they were given to eat. This illustrated, I think, how closely he identified with those he was hiding, despite the extraordinary danger involved. His own palace basements were packed with thousands of Jewish men, women and children.

It is well-known he was instrumental in saving around 800,000 lives. But did you know that documents recently released indicate that he pleaded with the President of Roumania, then under Nazi rule, to stop a shipment of almost a million Jews to Auschwitz? He worked behind the scenes continually to rescue those being hunted-down. In fact countless lives were saved by this means alone--in addition to those the Pontiff was hiding. The truth about all this is finally getting out--thanks to some Jewish and Catholic scholars--but very belatedly, in my opinion.


10 posted on 02/13/2005 5:36:25 AM PST by ultima ratio
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By the way, that pleading with the President of Roumania was SUCCESSFUL. The transportations to Auschwitz were halted.


11 posted on 02/13/2005 5:43:21 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio

Sounds like this REAL LIFE STORY would be the basis for a good movie.


12 posted on 02/13/2005 5:47:39 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH (If starvation & dehydration are painless, make them the method of preference for Capital Punishment.)
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To: ultima ratio

I believe what you say in post #6. I am looking for a book or articles that document it. Can you help?


13 posted on 02/13/2005 6:02:48 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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I have a lot more respect for a man like him than I do for a Pope who after all was following his job description.

Sort of like a fire man who saves someone from a burning building. It's heroism at it's finest but he's "just" doing his job. It's only big news if he fails to do it.

14 posted on 02/13/2005 6:06:38 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: lizol
One of the problems we alway face when we are out recruiting our heroes is that we have to recruit them from the human race. You can often look at a life to see what happens when heroes get tired. It sounds as though Schindler may have shown a knot or two in the midst of the soft wood.

The thing of it is is, when Jesus told the crowd, "Let him with no sin cast the first stone," he was speaking to all of us.

I hope we can always condemn the evil that men do while remaining awed by and aspiring to the heroic.

15 posted on 02/13/2005 6:08:25 AM PST by stevem
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Some more facts:

1. Over 85% of the Italian Jewish population was rescued by the Church in the war, despite Nazi occupation midway in the war.

2. Italian zones of occupation in France, Yugoslavia and Greece were hotbeds of rescue activities.

3. It is estimated that 25% of Slovakian Jews were rescued by means of Vatican interventions.

4. Roumania was the only country in Europe besides Germany fully committed to implementing the Nazi plan to exterminate Jews. But though only 8% of the population of Roumania was itself Catholic, and though the Church itself was subject to harsh repression, nevertheless the Chief Rabbi of Roumania, Dr. Alexander Shafran, was able to state in his diary, "At this moment the Catholic Church is the one and only body which can intervene usefully. Nuncio Cassulo continues to bring every problem we ask him about to the Government. It sometimes happens that he appears before them twice on one day."

In September of 1942 as a result of such incessant intervention the deportations ceased, and in spite of several strong Gestapo and SS protests, they were not resumed.


16 posted on 02/13/2005 6:10:42 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: lizol

Amen.


17 posted on 02/13/2005 6:15:33 AM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: ultima ratio
By the way, that pleading with the President of Roumania was SUCCESSFUL. The transportations to Auschwitz were halted.

Right! They killed them in Romania.
18 posted on 02/13/2005 6:37:52 AM PST by chukcha
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You have very selective memory and present questionable facts.

Yugoslavia and Greece are not Catholic countries. What about Croatia - a Catholic country - that was executing Jews, Serbs, Greeks?

Why don't you just claim that Catholic church saved 10 million Jews? 100 million?


19 posted on 02/13/2005 6:41:11 AM PST by chukcha
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To: ultima ratio
But did you know that documents recently released indicate that he...

For some unknown reasons, these very selective documents are released very, very S-L-O-W-L-Y.
20 posted on 02/13/2005 7:13:42 AM PST by chukcha
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