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Southern Food Frustrates Health Officials
hosted.ap.org ^ | Feb 13, 2005 | DANIEL YEE

Posted on 02/13/2005 1:43:27 PM PST by foolscap

DECATUR, Ga. (AP) -- When Becky Cleaveland is out with her girlfriends, they all pick at salads except for the petite Atlanta woman. She tackles "The Hamdog."

The dish, a specialty of Mulligan's, a suburban bar, is a hot dog wrapped by a beef patty that's deep fried, covered with chili, cheese and onions and served on a hoagie bun. Oh yeah, it's also topped with a fried egg and two fistfuls of fries.

"The owner says I'm the only girl who can eat a whole one without flinching," Cleaveland said proudly.

Amid a national obesity epidemic and the South's infamous distinction as the "Stroke Belt," health officials have been trying to get diners to flinch, at least a little, at the region's trademark fried and fatty foods.

But nutritionists have found it's hard to teach an old region new tricks. How can Southerners give up delicious staples fried chicken, fried seafood, fried green tomatoes and cornbread slathered in butter?

Even at the Atlanta headquarters of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the leader of the nation's anti-obesity campaign, the cafeteria serves up such artery-clogging regional favorites as biscuits and gravy.

CDC nutritionist Annie Carr said the agency is working to get its house in order by pushing the cafeteria to serve popular foods in healthy ways. The broader goals of the anti-obesity campaign are to educate people to cook with less fat and sugar and to promote the idea of eating five servings of fruits and vegetables a day.

And for the South, that doesn't mean vegetables and greens flavored with bacon and meat drippings

"I don't think anything is wrong with the kind of vegetables we eat in the South - it's the way they are prepared," said former Surgeon General Dr. David Satcher, the interim president of the Morehouse School of Medicine in Atlanta, who grew up eating traditional Southern staples on a farm in Alabama. "We need more fruits and vegetables in our diet."

Health officials' concerns with healthy eating in the South date back to 1962, when the CDC noted a large concentration of counties with high stroke death rates in the coastal states of North and South Carolina and Georgia. More than three decades later, the high stroke rates in that region seem to have shifted west to counties along the Mississippi River Delta.

Health officials have spent thousands of dollars on grants to promote healthy eating, including sending nutritionists into community centers and churches. The food experts introduce healthier cooking practices, such as alternatives to frying and methods that reduce the fat in gravy and sauces. But those efforts have found resistance from some cooks who say the healthier recipes alter the taste of their dishes.

"Flavor is a big issue - when you modify Southern cooking, then you lose a lot of the flavor," said Laurita Burley, a clinical nutrition instructor at the Morehouse School of Medicine. "The reputation of the Southern cook is at risk when you begin to modify it."

Much of the South's traditional foods date back to the days of slavery. Frying was preferable in the region's hot climate, since it didn't take as long as baking and didn't heat up a house as much. Plus, Burley said, workers didn't have all day to prepare meals; they had to get back into the fields to work. Lard was also plentiful. Today, frying still is popular, especially in poor areas of the South, because it is also inexpensive.

While it's quick, easy and adds flavor, frying loads ordinarily healthy foods with calories and fat.

"One of the common things in the South is that you fry everything," said Dr. Nicholas Lang, chief of staff of the Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System in Little Rock. "It's a major grease-transport mechanism - there's no idea how much calories you get when you get that."

Other research has found that frying, grilling and smoking certain foods can cause chemical reactions within the food that can increase the risk of cancer.

"The best advice is to fry less and to eat their meat medium rather than well-done - and do like their momma said and add vegetables," said Lang, also a professor of surgery at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences.

Back at Mulligan's in Decatur, owner Chandler Goff is quick to point out that the bar also offers healthy alternatives, such as salads and sandwiches that aren't deep-fried.

But he acknowledged that the "Hamdog" and the "Luther Burger," a bacon-cheeseburger served on a Krispy Kreme doughnut bun, are what draw attention.

As for Cleaveland, she says she doesn't think about cholesterol. "I probably should, but I do not. I'm only 25, maybe later." For now, she's able to maintain her 5-foot-7, 115-pound physique without regular exercise.

Regardless of age, Lang doesn't recommend the Hamdog, even as a one-time snack.

"If you choke that down, you might as well find a heart surgeon because you are going to need one."

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1 posted on 02/13/2005 1:43:29 PM PST by foolscap
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To: foolscap

Maybe they should just start frying everything in olive oil? :)


2 posted on 02/13/2005 1:45:47 PM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: foolscap
"The dish, a specialty of Mulligan's, a suburban bar, is a hot dog wrapped by a beef patty that's deep fried, covered with chili, cheese and onions and served on a hoagie bun. Oh yeah, it's also topped with a fried egg and two fistfuls of fries."

Til they come up with a heart attack in pill form, this'll do.

This sounds like something out of the Simpsons. First we take one pound of pure beef, then cover it in rich, creamery butter...

3 posted on 02/13/2005 1:49:04 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Drowning someone, I wouldn't have a part in that."--Teddy K)
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To: foolscap
When will people figure out it is not what we eat but how much we eat and how much exercise we get.

Americans eat too much (in terms of portion size) and exercise too little. This is why we have an obesity epidemic.

4 posted on 02/13/2005 1:51:08 PM PST by Drew68
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To: foolscap
Note to health officials: They'll eat like that because *gasp* it's THEIR lives, not yours. Where are these fascist bastards when the pro-life movement needs them to save the unborn? Nooooo... they're out harrassing sovereign adults who couldn't careless what they have to say!

Besides, maybe this food and early stroke allows them to die happy rather than live to 103 with no eyesight, no hair, no solid food and no memory.

5 posted on 02/13/2005 1:52:35 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: foolscap
I would like to know the average age of these stroke victims.

My own wild guess is that it is no younger than anywhere else; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't a bit older.

Thanks...

6 posted on 02/13/2005 1:54:43 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: foolscap; mylife; MS.BEHAVIN; tomkow6

Look out - the food police are coming!!

The world's best meal IMO would make them apoplectic:

Breaded and fried catfish, freedom fries, a thick slice of raw vidalia onion, lemon (fresh), tartar sauce, and hushpuppies washed down with sweet tea and lemon icebox pie for dessert. It just doesn't get any better than that! HE he he!!


7 posted on 02/13/2005 1:55:56 PM PST by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: newzjunkey

Amen! Couldn't have said it better myself.

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8 posted on 02/13/2005 1:59:20 PM PST by viaveritasvita (WHO ARE YOU FOLLOWING? UPON WHAT AUTHORITY DOES HE/SHE SPEAK? DOES HE/SHE SPEAK THE TRUTH? R U SURE?)
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To: Darkwolf377
Southern cooking, I love it, start in Virginia for South lite, end in Miss. for the real thing. No one is going to live forever.
9 posted on 02/13/2005 2:00:03 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: foolscap
Today, frying still is popular, especially in poor areas of the South, because it is also inexpensive.

Oh good Lord the arrogant attitude towards anything Southern is ridiculous. Leave us alone already.

10 posted on 02/13/2005 2:00:23 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Darkwolf377

No wonder the yankees are so grim.


11 posted on 02/13/2005 2:00:39 PM PST by sefarkas (why vote Democrat-lite???)
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To: rightwinggoth
In the Mediterranean area they do use olive oil for frying because it's so plentiful. The taste is great but it doesn't have as good cooking properties as higher temperature oils such as canola. (canola = soy bean)

But although vegetable oils such as corn and canola don't have cholesterol, they still have calories.

12 posted on 02/13/2005 2:02:35 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: foolscap
How can Southerners give up delicious staples fried chicken, fried seafood, fried green tomatoes and cornbread slathered in butter?

When you pry it from my cold, dead, greasy fingers, THAT'S when.

Damn Yankee busybodies!

Why don't you go to New York and worry about the new strain of AIDS the buggers have managed to concoct?

Aggh! These people make me sick.

The sad thing is, I could probably bench press any of these pencil-necked fools, even though I DON'T eat what THEY think I should!

13 posted on 02/13/2005 2:03:04 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity*!)
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To: foolscap
the "Luther Burger," a bacon-cheeseburger served on a Krispy Kreme doughnut bun, are what draw attention.

My arteries feel more clogged just reading that...

14 posted on 02/13/2005 2:04:25 PM PST by mwyounce
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To: bayourod
Canola, Rape seed oil?
15 posted on 02/13/2005 2:06:46 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: sefarkas

Not this yankee, My veins are filled with Crisco.


16 posted on 02/13/2005 2:10:24 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Drowning someone, I wouldn't have a part in that."--Teddy K)
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To: MamaTexan

Sorry, privacy "rights"keeps the Gov out of pervert parked cars, alleyways and bathhouses...only in your kitchen can they interfere.


17 posted on 02/13/2005 2:12:48 PM PST by steve8714
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To: foolscap
Regardless of age, Lang doesn't recommend the Hamdog, even as a one-time snack.

"If you choke that down, you might as well find a heart surgeon because you are going to need one."

These alarmists amuse me. As if a single meal will all by itself trigger a heart attack.

My grandmother, who will turn 92 years old this year, has spent practically every morning of her life eating biscuits soaked in bacon grease with eggs and sausage. Everyday she would fry something. Catfish, chicken, even vegetables like okra (a Southern specialty if there ever was one). For dessert, there would always be apple cobbler or some other "heart-attack inducing" delicacy.

Then again, she didn't sit around the house watching Oprah all those years. Even when she was well into her 80s, she would be out mowing the grass or doing other yard work. When she was younger, she could handle just about any outdoor chore that a man would normally do.

I'm sure she'd be just as active today but unfortunately she suffers from Alzheimers and is in a nursing home. Her heart is perfectly healthy however.

18 posted on 02/13/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by SamAdams76 (Earth is just a prison for intergalactic riff-raff)
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To: foolscap

And for dessert, they serve Twinkies deep-fried in Cap’n Crunch, and topped with chocolate and whip cream.

Damn......


19 posted on 02/13/2005 2:14:23 PM PST by dfwddr
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To: foolscap

"Your Department of Human Husbandry recommends healthy, delicious Purina People Chow to keep you taxpayers in good working order."


20 posted on 02/13/2005 2:17:42 PM PST by Nick Danger (The only way out is through)
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To: foolscap

"I'm the only girl who can eat a whole one without flinching."

I couldn't look at it without barfing.


21 posted on 02/13/2005 2:17:56 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: steve8714
only in your kitchen can they interfere.

A guy at work thought that he could mess with my food, too, by taking my lunch from the refrigerator

Then he suffered 'Mama's Revenge'!

22 posted on 02/13/2005 2:17:59 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity*!)
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To: Little Bill
" Rape seed oil? "

We call it canola in Texas. If we called it rape oil some of the cowboys might get ideas.

23 posted on 02/13/2005 2:19:37 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Nick Danger
healthy, delicious Purina People Chow

LOL! Wouldn't the health nazis just love it, though!

24 posted on 02/13/2005 2:22:38 PM PST by maryz
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To: foolscap

Here is a list of great wholesome Yankee food.


















25 posted on 02/13/2005 2:24:52 PM PST by razorback-bert (An ASC-American)
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To: StarCMC
Man, that sounds good! My favorite no-no meal is of Hungarian origin. Take a piece of fat back bacon, put it on an iron skewer, slowly roast over an open fire until the grease starts to drip. Put the drippings on fresh rye bread, add lettuce, tomato, onion, salt and pepper, more grease to taste. Continue to make pieces of greasy bread from the bacon until the slight bit of meat is cooked, cut that off and eat it. Roast the bacon until all the fat is gone from the rind. Eat the rind. Peppers can be roasted with the bacon if you like. Grew up eating this manna from heaven. That is probably why I no longer have a gall bladder.
26 posted on 02/13/2005 2:26:00 PM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: dfwddr

Dang, I got to find this place!


27 posted on 02/13/2005 2:26:36 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: foolscap

Wow. That sounds nauseating.

Of course, I'm still on the quest for the perfect chili cheeseburger so my judgment may be unsound.


28 posted on 02/13/2005 2:28:17 PM PST by OpusatFR (All Your Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches are belong to us.)
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To: mwyounce

I had a Krispy Creme today. It was a chocolate covered one with whipped cream filling. In fairness, I ate it while on a 10 mile hike.


29 posted on 02/13/2005 2:28:19 PM PST by Feiny (Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.)
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To: MamaTexan
The FOOD and grandchildren are the two things that keep us in the South.

When we lived in California, a friend that was from Chattanooga taught me how to make the best fried chicken.

We now live in Tenn. and my 20 yo granddaughter wanted me to teach her how to cook the chicken so that she could be a real Southern woman. That was double pleasure.
30 posted on 02/13/2005 2:28:48 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: foolscap
Other things to worry about:

Asteroid Impact, Same Sex Marriage, Massive gamma ray burst from an outside the solar system event, BSE nvCJD, SARS, Smallpox, Ebola ,Flu- (human, bird, swine, duck, chicken), Salmonella, Carbs, Fat, Protein, Terrorists, Anthrax, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Too little ozone, Too much ozone, Global warming, Global cooling, Global Warming Chaos, Pesticides, Deer ticks, Nerve gas, Dirty bombs, Haliburton, SUVs, Guns, Acid rain, Too much Rain, Too little Rain, Nuclear power, Non-nuclearpower, Nuclear war, Conventional war, Wind Turbines shredding endangered birds, Obesity, Starvation, BCS, The Yankees with A’Rod, NCAA Basketball Tournament Selections, Pit bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Huskies, Alaskan Malamutes ,Doberman Pinschers, Chow Chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards, Akitas, green ketchup, MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), Pet spiders, Yard Sale Congestion, Red King Crabs, Shadow people, Cattle mutilations, Junk Science, Supersize fries, ”Our worst fears were confirmed”, steroids in baseball, microwave popcorn, HIV, Peak Oil, Cholesterol both LDL and HDL, second hand smoke, Google Telephone Searches, backyard nuclear reactor, Nitrogen pollution, Carbon Dioxide Reported at Record Levels, Dangerous' Curry Colourings Cataracts from computers, brain tumors from cell phones, fire ants, killer bees, killer tomatoes, killer clowns the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, Terrell Owens and Ron Artest, Exploding cell phones, cryptococcus gattii, methylisothiazolinone (MIT), "holiday heart," , U.S. Teens Are Among the Worst at Math, picking your teeth in public,"The Hamdog.", …. ... …

So much to worry about...

31 posted on 02/13/2005 2:30:07 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: StarCMC

Sounds wonderful. How about deep fried chicken with gravy, mashed potatoes, collards cooked with streak o lean, sweet cornbread dripping with butter and fresh from the garden BigBoy tomatoes? Chocolate icebox cake for desert.

(Of course, I had brown rice and chicken with fresh greenbeans, no butter for dinner.) ~sigh~


32 posted on 02/13/2005 2:32:53 PM PST by OpusatFR (All Your Executive, Legislative and Judicial Branches are belong to us.)
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To: razorback-bert

You just got this damn Yankee riled! New England Clam Chowder should be at the top of this list, followed by Yankee Pot Roast.


33 posted on 02/13/2005 2:35:28 PM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: foolscap

"The dish, a specialty of Mulligan's, a suburban bar, is a hot dog wrapped by a beef patty that's deep fried, covered with chili, cheese and onions and served on a hoagie bun. Oh yeah, it's also topped with a fried egg and two fistfuls of fries."

YUM!!!!!!

Screw the Feds! Mind your own damned business you socialist b*stards.


34 posted on 02/13/2005 2:36:51 PM PST by dljordan
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To: foolscap
But he acknowledged that the "Hamdog" and the "Luther Burger," a bacon-cheeseburger served on a Krispy Kreme doughnut bun, are what draw attention.

You can't get those here. I'd have let the South win the Civil War for one of those...

35 posted on 02/13/2005 2:37:20 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Reporter)
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To: foolscap
I checked, and as far as I can see, this is not a sound article.

The two strong correlations for strokes are age and race. The older you are, the more likely you are to have a stroke. Also, blacks tend to have more strokes than whites.

I found no published correlation between stroke rates and the consumption of southern cooking; if anyone does find anything, please post it, especially if it has an age and race breakdown.

36 posted on 02/13/2005 2:39:31 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: feinswinesuksass
....while on a 10 mile hike.

Never do those kinds of things unless your car breaks down.

37 posted on 02/13/2005 2:39:32 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Support Our Troops, Spit On A Reporter)
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To: bayourod
Uh, canola is rapeseed oil, m'friend, not soybean. Canola has roughly 1/2 the saturated fatty acids per unit volume as soybean oil.

;^)

38 posted on 02/13/2005 2:39:43 PM PST by SAJ
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To: tob2

This native Texan also wants to add Maryland Crab Cakes to the list of good Yankee foods. Best thing I ever ate in a bar. Maine lobster rocks too.


39 posted on 02/13/2005 2:40:18 PM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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To: foolscap

When I went into a national steak house franchise in upstate New York and they didn't have salt and pepper on the tables, nor any sauces (the waitress had to hunt up a bottle of A-1) I knew I was in a different culture.

From what I gathered in my year and half living in NY (above Albany) - butter, salt/pepper, paprika - made the dish 'cajun' and unbelievably spicy for the natives.

Hot sauces of various kinds, peppers, heavy use of s&p, butter, etc. was anathema.

I was happy to get back to the land of deep fried pickles, BBQ, LARD!, pork rinds, Waffle House, real butter,spices, fry daddies, fat back, fat back fried chicken, fried okra, fried everything, and Sweet Tea. I can't take tepid and tasteless New England food.


40 posted on 02/13/2005 2:40:26 PM PST by PresbyRev (All truth is God's truth: post tenebras, Lux!)
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To: feinswinesuksass

That's gotta balance it out!


41 posted on 02/13/2005 2:41:54 PM PST by mwyounce
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To: mariabush
That was double pleasure.

Don't you just love passing down recipes & traditions?

My daughters can't eat a hush puppy without me telling them the story of how it got it's name, even thought I've told it a hundred times.

At 11 years old, one of them is turning out to be a mighty fine cook...although her twin seems more interested in eating food than preparing it. :)

42 posted on 02/13/2005 2:43:36 PM PST by MamaTexan (It's not about God...it's about FREEDOM!)
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To: OpusatFR; StarCMC
I use my mama-in-law's fried chicken recipe.

If you have a proper fryer AND you have your oil at the correct temperature, the chicken does not come up greasy. Also, if you dip the chicken in a beaten egg before you roll it in flour, it's lightly but uniformly coated and doesn't absorb too much oil.

Also you have to have the chicken near room temperature - you can't fry it straight out of the fridge. I guess this is stuff that you have to learn at stove-side or be told, you don't get it out of the cook books . . .

But my favorite meal is still lamb chops grilled with Blackened Steak Magic (no, really, try it - it's perfect), a nice rice pilaf with plenty of butter cooked in, romaine salad with a ranch or poppy seed dressing, and green beans cooked Gujarati style with mustard seeds and garlic. My home made Key Lime Pie (with real key limes) for dessert, or maybe my Scots Trifle.

Pretty eclectic menu, but our family's been in the South since the 1600s, we don't see any need to cook Southern all the time.

Of course, mama-in-law's fried chicken DOES form the centerpiece for a tasty traditional meal. I make rice-and-gravy instead of mashed potatoes, green beans, corn meal spoonbread (a REAL old fashioned southern specialty that I guess is a souffle), lime jello with pear halves (my grandmother's standby), and baked custard (that's creme brulee for you hoity-toity folks) for dessert.

43 posted on 02/13/2005 2:45:02 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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When my Mom and Dad got married, my Southern granny had to teach Mom how to cook Southern. Mom was from Ohio and Dad is from Chattanooga. She caught on quite well eventually. I try to eat healthy foods and love Southern cooking but there are two things I can't stand. One is hominy and the other is wilted lettuce. I can't even stay in the kitchen with wilted lettuce. In case you don't know how to prepare wilted lettuce and want to try it, here is how, the best I can remember.

Fry a whole skillet (iron skillet) of bacon. Lay lettuce down in a rectangular baking dish. Chop onions and boiled eggs and scatter across the lettuce. Crumble the bacon on top of that. Pour the hot grease on top of the whole mess. Eat (or not, LOL) That's all I remember because by the time the grease hit the lettuce I was sitting in the back yard.

I don't understand the health crisis from eating in the South. I'm 50 and have been eating Southern food all my life. My blood pressure is 120/72, my cholesterol is medium at 165 and I'm not overweight (5'6" & 130lbs). I'm active though. I personally think that is the key. Eat what you want but stay active.

You Northerners can keep your bagels too. I tried one once and it was like eating a rubber donut with no taste. LOL Not a big seller around here.

44 posted on 02/13/2005 2:45:52 PM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: WilliamWallace1999
Honey, real Charleston SC Crab Cakes will make the Maryland variety crawl under the table and cry Uncle!

But there's nothing to compare with a Maine lobster - although crawfish are handier, you have to eat a lot of them . . .

45 posted on 02/13/2005 2:46:29 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Conservababe; sweetliberty
ping

.....Westy.....

46 posted on 02/13/2005 2:48:04 PM PST by westmex (BWDIK)
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To: SAJ

It looks like soy bean plants. I think "rape" in Canada means "soy bean". Sorta like maize vs corn.


47 posted on 02/13/2005 2:49:23 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: foolscap
Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

When did that abortion get appended to the old name?
Whoever came up with that should be drawn and quartered, then hanged then shot.

Nothing transforms a good institution faster into something totally useless and unacceptable than the ability to set rules of conduct for others...

48 posted on 02/13/2005 2:53:02 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
This is the recipe that my friend from Chattanooga taught me:

Use a large bowl that has a lid. Dump in a a bunch of flour 1 or 2 Tablespoons baking powder, 1 pkg. Italian salad dressing, a little garlic salt, salt, pepper. Mix all of these ingredients together, then put chicken breast on top of the dry mixture. Take about a cup or more of buttermilk and pour on top, then shake it all up. The batter should look sort of like corn flake consistency.

I use a deep fryer with a lid and basket. This chicken is never greasy.

My l2 yo grandson told me that if he had to choose between chocolate chip cookies and the chicken, the chicken would win every time.
49 posted on 02/13/2005 2:55:17 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: SAJ

I looked it up. Your right, it isn't soy beans.


50 posted on 02/13/2005 3:01:06 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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