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HOMOSEXUALITY:From mental disorder to civil-rights cause
World Magazine ^ | 13 Feb. 2005 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 02/13/2005 7:02:46 PM PST by dzzrtrock

INTERVIEW: Psychiatrist and Princeton law professor traces the advances of the gay-rights agenda in science and the law to a common source: political intimidation | by Marvin Olasky

PRINCETON, N.J.—A big contributor to the gay movement's political success is the portrayal of homosexuality as an orientation over which individuals have no control. Jeffrey Satinover, author of Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth (Baker Books, 1996) and other books, has practiced psychiatry since 1986 and come to a different understanding, which he explained at a recent conference of the Witherspoon Institute here.

Dr. Satinover is a graduate of M.I.T. (Humanities and Science), Harvard (Clinical Psychology), and Yale (Physics), and received an M.D. from the University of Texas Medical School. He presently conducts research into complex systems at the National Center for Scientific Research at the University of Nice in France and teaches civil liberties and constitutional law part-time at Princeton.

WORLD: You've argued, against today's conventional wisdom, that the idea of "sexual orientation" is a fiction. What's the scientific evidence?

JS: A nationwide University of Chicago study of sexuality in America in 1994 concluded, ". . . it is patently false that homosexuality is a uniform attribute across individuals, that it is stable over time, and that it can be easily measured." Studies across the globe that have now sampled over 100,000 individuals have found the same.

We now know that in the majority of both men and women, "homosexuality," as defined by any scientifically rigorous criteria, spontaneously tends to "mutate" into heterosexuality over the course of a lifetime. The proportion of people who adopt a homosexual identity and the length of time they persist in holding on to it are affected primarily by environmental factors clearly identifiable in these epidemiologic studies..... sexual abuse, and cultural beliefs. (read more) http://www.worldmag.com/subscriber/displayarticle.cfm?id=10331

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: culturewar; culturewars; disorders; gay; gaymarriage; gaypoliticalagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; kinsey; lies; olasky; psychology; queerlybeloved; queernazis; sexualorientation
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Homosexuality is a spirit, a demonic satanic spirit, as with the feminist spirit, both demonic and satanic.

I too believe as you say here

21 posted on 02/13/2005 7:57:07 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: gidget7

Gidget, good summary of a very lengthy historical "event." I just got through reading a 25 page account of what happened in '73!


22 posted on 02/13/2005 8:00:45 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: longtermmemmory

Let me get this straight(pun intended, i'm very proud of myself here)

There is no such thing as homosexuality, only LATENT-HETEROSEXUALITY?

That actually makes sense to me. Especially if you add the caveat that some very rare individuals may never actually develope full blown heterosexuality.


23 posted on 02/13/2005 8:03:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Mockingbird For Short

Thanks! I thought it got the most vital point of how we got here.

Only whish I knew how to spread the word more. If I were rich I think I would deticate my life to the cause, like the elites do spreading their agenda!


24 posted on 02/13/2005 8:06:05 PM PST by gidget7
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To: gidget7

Ha ha.... just finished reading the entire article at World Magazine. My bad!!


25 posted on 02/13/2005 8:11:09 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: conservativeharleyguy
I believe you are on to something. But I believe there is a more common occurring factor at work too.

I think individuals that don't get much positive feedback from the opposite sex early in life don't get the incentive to seek out the opposite sex.

In otherwords, if an individual is totally unattractive to the opposite sex early in life, either due to physical appearance of personality, then they CAN get their mental programming mixed up. Add to that the "exclusivity" that modern media lavishes on "alternative" life styles, and the effect on a young mind is obvious.
26 posted on 02/13/2005 8:11:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: dzzrtrock
No one knows the combination of factors creating homosexuality. All studies to date seem to suffer from sampling problems. I struggle even to follow the reasoning of the examinations of the data that exists.

I've gone through one analysis of studies from Colombia & Yale and another from Cambridge.

The former leans toward environment and says that the data is inconstant with a simple genetic influence model", that "there's substantial support for the role of social influences ", and that "its consistent with a general model that allows for genetic expression of same-sex attraction under specific, highly circumscribed, social conditions." "

The latter takes a step toward genetics and concludes that, "…it seems reasonable to conclude that male homosexuality, or, at least, some 'types' of male homosexuality, are under some degree of genetic control, although various problems with this data prevent more precise conclusions from being drawn.

I’ve seen papers and books that look at some of this data and lean much more one way or the other, but these two seem to be the most academic and without obvious bias.

27 posted on 02/13/2005 8:20:59 PM PST by elfman2
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To: gidget7; nicmarlo; EdReform; DirtyHarryY2K; Antoninus; longtermmemmory
Only whish I knew how to spread the word more. If I were rich I think I would deticate my life to the cause, like the elites do spreading their agenda!

I HEAR YOU. These are my thoughts exactly. I think that those of us on FR who are interested could figure out a way to do just that... either a concise expose of gay activism, especially in our schools, or a Weblog where we can pool all of our articles and links. What do you think?

28 posted on 02/13/2005 8:26:58 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: mamelukesabre
There is no such thing as homosexuality, only LATENT-HETEROSEXUALITY?

Yep, you got it.

Every male has his feminine side and every female has her masculine side. My feminine side happens to be lesbian.

29 posted on 02/13/2005 8:31:11 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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To: dzzrtrock

ping


30 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:20 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: dzzrtrock
Okay, so when can we expect Michael Crichton's novel based upon the science here?

RileyD, nwJ

31 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:26 PM PST by RileyD, nwJ ("Only the humble are sane." anon)
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To: Mockingbird For Short

I think the solution is to put more conservatives on the school boards and on the curriculum committees.

It also helps to keep secret FR membership of elected officials. (IOW don't use official computers or laptops provided by government offices, or internet accounts provided by official services.)


32 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Mockingbird For Short

Well I have to say, the freepers here have done a fabulous job of pulling all this information together!!!!

And I am not rich by any means, far from it. But I have often wondered, when I see all the millions pouring into the homosexual lobby, Where are the wealthy Conservatives??? Surely there must be some!


33 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:58 PM PST by gidget7
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To: gidget7

ALSO, this: Each of us can have some degree of effect on the issues of acceptance of homosexuality as an "alternative" lifestyle AND same-sex marriage at the local, state, and national level by going here: http://www.abolishgaymarriage.org/ and signing up. Afterwards, an email, a letter, and a petition will be sent in your name to local, state, and federal lawmakers. Go check it out.

Remember that if same-sex marriage is legalized, homosexuality itself will be officially sanctioned, which will result in more aggressive homosexual education in the public schools. If you want to see the degree to which it is being encouraged in MA schools, go here to be shocked: http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/apfist%7E1.htm and http://www.americansfortruth.com/glsen_affidav_final3.htm


34 posted on 02/13/2005 8:37:31 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: longtermmemmory
I think the solution is to put more conservatives on the school boards and on the curriculum committees.

If only I could twitch my nose like Samantha Stevens!

35 posted on 02/13/2005 8:39:29 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Mockingbird For Short

Uh huh, I am in MA, tell me about it!!!!!

I haved emailed our reps repeatedly, being the are Kerry, Kennedy, Barney Frank, and others of the same mind. Need I tell you the effect they have? Also, on the local level, you might be accused of a hate crime in this town!

The environment here is very hostile, to say the least!


36 posted on 02/13/2005 8:42:09 PM PST by gidget7
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To: dzzrtrock; scripter; Clint N. Suhks; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; SweetCaroline; longtermmemmory; ...

The infiltration of the 'professional' medical and scientific associations by homosexual activists was ( and continues to be ) part of a well planned and well financed campaign to redefine homosexuality as normal. They started by infiltrating the American Psychiatric Association, with the goal removing homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Make no mistake, the homosexual activists knew exactly what they were doing in the days leading up to the removal of homosexuality from the DSM. Once they had control of the American Psychiatric Association, all the other 'professional' organizations ( such as the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Mental Health Association, the AMA , the American Counseling Association, etc.) fell in line and now accept, and march to, the APA's pro-homosexual party line. Click here (then scroll down the page to "The American Academy of Pediatrics") for a list of other pro-homosexual 'professional' associations that toe each others' homosexual agenda lines.

Forcing the removal of homosexuality from the DSM was the homosexual community's greatest achievement. It permitted them to claim that "homosexuality is normal" and set the stage to present this "normalcy" to the general public via a well planned media campaign ( outlined in 'The Overhauling of Straight America' ), and to kids in the public schools via Kevin Jennings' GLSEN. Kids as young as kindergarten age are now being indoctrinated with "homosexuality is normal" propaganda.

It wasn't science, but rather pro-homosexual activism that was, and continues to be, the primary force behind policy changes and the politically correct statments made by the APA and the majority of the other "professional" medical and scientific organizations.


For documentation of homosexual activism in both the APA's and the AAP, see the following replies in scripter's "Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)" thread:

American Psychological Association: 121, 240, 242, 300, 329, 331, 336, 357, and 449.

American Psychiatric Association: 46, 139, 213, 232, 237, 239, 241, 243, 246, 300, 363, 364, and 443.

American Academy of Pediatrics: 284


See also:

An excerpt from "GAY ORTHODOXY AND ACADEMIC HERESY"

An excerpt from "When Activism Masquerades as Science: Potential Consequences of Recent APA Resolutions"



37 posted on 02/13/2005 8:56:27 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Paul in Romans 18 - 32 agrees with you.
And it all started with Genesis 6:1 and Ham.
Ever wonder why the Gays use the rainbow?
Did you know the fallen angles (ben elohiym) were hermaphrodites?

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against * flesh and blood, but against
**principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in
high places.

**Strongs Greek Number 746 "Arche"
beginning, origin
the person or thing that commences, the first person or
thing in a series, the leader
that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the
active cause the extremity of a thing
of the corners of a sail
the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
of angels and demons
38 posted on 02/13/2005 8:59:37 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
BTTT


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

39 posted on 02/13/2005 9:00:27 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: gidget7

Ug, you have my sincere sympathies. But HOW LONG before it gets as bad in Texas and other states... unless many of us conservatives who have been silent (such as myself) because of intimidation or not wanting to be called "bigot" DO something about raising the awareness of the public? Just in the last 3 days I've learned more about what the homophile activists are doing than I've learned in the prior two years.... and I'll hasten to add that with the opening of my eyes, I've been entirely grossed out!!!!!


40 posted on 02/13/2005 9:07:17 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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