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Alan Keyes' Daughter Coming Out
CBS News ^ | February 14, 2005

Posted on 02/14/2005 12:32:30 AM PST by RWR8189

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To: nmh
I also don't blame him for not mentioning his daughter.

Do you blame him for mentioning someone else's daughter? Yes or no?

661 posted on 02/15/2005 9:53:34 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: eleni121
Well, I heard him speak last year before the elections and he specifically said he was a supporter of the President. Great moment!

Well, that's wonderful, but he's also had a lot of truly despicable things to say about the President.

662 posted on 02/15/2005 9:53:38 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Humina, humina, humina...)
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To: Gelato
You are assuming exactly what the media assumed, that "hedonism" was meant to be derogatory. It was not.

Yeah, okay Gelato - whatever. LOL

663 posted on 02/15/2005 9:54:19 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Humina, humina, humina...)
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To: Mark Felton

There is more to this story than the liberal media is portraying. I'll have some breaking news late Tonight. The media is not giving us the full story.


664 posted on 02/15/2005 9:54:37 AM PST by Keyes2000mt (http://adamsweb.us/blog Conservative Truth for Idaho)
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To: Aquinasfan
Right!

Why are people condemning the Keyes for not supporting their daughter, but not condemning the daughter for not supporting her father?

Honor they Mother and Father NOT Honor thy Children

This girl does NOT support her parents and is acting out in a typical three year old fashion. I guess she has decided it is time for her to get some attention.

I would guarantee that the result of this outburst is the lack of attention her parents gave her. Being a politician is a stressful life that often leaves the children abandoned or feeling abandoned. Children who feel neglected act out.

Almost all gay people will freely admit they feel they were neglected by their father figure (both men and women) or they had no father figure at all.

I would guess this has allot more to do with her being gay than being born that way.

God bless the whole family, I pray that the daughter recovers and I pray for the family to have patience and enduring strength.
665 posted on 02/15/2005 9:55:49 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: sinkspur

Even better, "the bullet that kills you."


666 posted on 02/15/2005 9:56:01 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: esoxmagnum
Dahmers parents surely loved him, but should they have condoned what he did?

Are you equating being gay with serial murder?

667 posted on 02/15/2005 9:56:35 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Howlin; sinkspur
Because he AGREED that Mary Cheney was a hedonist while not mentioning that his own daughter was one.

He wasn't asked about his daughter. He had already said that ALL practicing homosexuals are selfish-hedonists.

... he had the opportunity to do the right thing -- the honorable, courteous, kind hearted thing -- and say something like "I'm not going to get into other family's personal heartbreaks," since he knew full well he had the same problem under his very own roof.

That is a load of garbage. He was asked what his opinion of homosexuality was and he answered according to his beliefs. He was then pressed for a yes or no as to whether that included Lynn Cheney, an admitted lesbian. Saying no would be an obvious hypocrisy. Saying nothing or refusing to answer would have also been an hypocrisy. The interviewer deliberately drew that corner to force a political controversy. He stood on principle and refused to bend to that political blackmail and has been vilified for it. And here you are, right on cue, to dish out more.

But instead he snatched the opportunity to grab face time by discussing the family of a sitting vice president, a man in his own party.

A politician, running for office, invited to an interview, on radio, is "grabbing face-time?" Oh, my, the shock and horror of it!

It's bad enough trying to keep up with the two-faced deceit of sinkspur but I'm not going to spend time responding to FR's biggest Bushbot joke. Have a nice afternoon.

668 posted on 02/15/2005 9:57:33 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I guess in your world... money = love?

I think you are in the wrong forum.


669 posted on 02/15/2005 9:59:54 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: TigersEye
He was then pressed for a yes or no as to whether that included Lynn Cheney, an admitted lesbian.

When did Lynne Cheney admit to being a lesbian? I'm sure Dick would want to know.

670 posted on 02/15/2005 10:00:14 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: sinkspur
Keyes isn't in favor of reparations. No, he just wants people who were never slaves to get tax breaks because some blacks, over 150 years ago, were slaves.

And, even though we heard Keyes call Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist," you'll tell us he never said it.

It's always been this way. In spite of being The World's Greatest Orator™, the man certainly needs a big cleanup crew.

671 posted on 02/15/2005 10:03:30 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Humina, humina, humina...)
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To: RWR8189

Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:


672 posted on 02/15/2005 10:03:57 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: From many - one.
My understanding is that Keyes is against reparations, but was for tax cuts for those who could PROVE they were descendant of slaves. If I'm wrong, could you provide me a quote and a source?

BTW welcome to FR, your welcoming present is the assignment of backing up your assertions, not just repeating democratic jargon that was thrown around Illinois by the Obama camp.
673 posted on 02/15/2005 10:04:08 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: TigersEye
He wasn't asked about his daughter.

WEASEL WORDS.

He had already said that ALL practicing homosexuals are selfish-hedonists.

Yeah, but the audience didn't have the "benefit" of knowing he had one in HIS family, too.

Hypocrite.

It's bad enough trying to keep up with the two-faced deceit of sinkspur but I'm not going to spend time responding to FR's biggest Bushbot joke

Do you think that is a smear against me? I'm proud to be a supporter of President George W. Bush and the things he has done for this country and the world. If you think that's a joke, perhaps that's your problem.

674 posted on 02/15/2005 10:04:41 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: Antoninus
Jesus Christ used different techniques in different circumstances to achieve His goals on earth. He used harsh language to denounce the Pharisees, yet stated to the woman who was to be stoned to death for adultery that He did not condemn her, but commanded her to sin no more. Our Lord used different methods of correction on the same person. When Peter refused to accept Jesus' statement that He would be killed, Jesus called Peter "Satan." Yet He also admonished Peter for his triple betrayal after His arrest, not with harsh language, but the question, "Do you love me?". Jesus defied the religious and civil authorities when He expelled the moneychangers from the Temple. Yet he commanded obedience to civil authority in his command to "render unto Caesar." More significantly, Our Lord offered no resistance to the Jewish and Roman authorities from His arrest at Gethsemane to His crucifixion.

Furthermore, it is overreaching to compare Dick Cheney to a Pharisee. On foreign policy and most domestic matters, Cheney is more conservative than the Bush Administration generally and thus closer to Alan Keyes' positions.

Nowhere did Jesus Christ alter his principles, but His technique and strategy changed depending on the circumstance and the person. Strategy is not the same as principle. It is wrong when one abandons principle for the sake of strategy. Last year, President Bush and Senator Santorum (R - Pennsylvania) abandoned their pro-life and conservative principles by supporting the pro-abortion Arlen Spector (RINO - Scotland) against a pro-life, conservative challenger in the Republican primary. However, it is not compromise to tailor one's message before certain audiences. Inner city residents are interested in tougher law enforcement and stiffer sentences for convicted criminals. Lower taxes and less regulation of business will appeal to residents of more affluent suburbs. The wise politician will know what to say and when to say it.

I agree with Alan Keyes' position on homosexuality and support his "tough love" technique toward his daughter. I regard the Cheneys' approach toward their daughter as too permissive. I also don't see a problem with Keyes condemning homosexuality despite the sexual orientation of his daughter. Phyllis Schafly's son has been "outed" for more than a decade, yet that has not stopped her from condemning perversion. That being said, there is a time and a place for comments on Cheney's daughter and her lesbianism. Keyes, under pressure, chose the wrong one.

675 posted on 02/15/2005 10:05:17 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: esoxmagnum
BTW welcome to FR, your welcoming present is the assignment of backing up your assertions, not just repeating democratic jargon that was thrown around Illinois by the Obama camp.

Perhaps YOU should do some "homework" and read down the thread; he already did that.

676 posted on 02/15/2005 10:05:21 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: TigersEye

Good 4 You BTTT


677 posted on 02/15/2005 10:05:53 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: sinkspur; EternalVigilance

640 posts and EV, Keyes' chief defender, is nowhere on this thread. He promised to "get back to me" last week to refute a factual link re Keyes, and I haven't seen him since.


678 posted on 02/15/2005 10:05:53 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: sinkspur

You must have one of them new versions of Catechism, like the Willow Creek version where no one gets excommunicated and everyone lives in Eutopia.

Where sin is a bad word.

Didn't Jesus have a hissy fit when he returned to the temple and found it full of dancing hookers and thieves? I seem to recall a story like that, where he threw out one of his disciples for shaming the house of his father.

I'm sure someone here better versed in the Bible can come up with this passage.


679 posted on 02/15/2005 10:09:34 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: sinkspur
He was then pressed for a yes or no

Mike Signorile: "So Mary Cheney is a selfish hedonist, is that it?"

Alan Keyes: "Of course she is. That goes by definition. Of course she is." Mike Signorile: "I don't think Dick Cheney would like to hear that about his daughter."

Alan Keyes: "He may or may not like to hear the truth, but it can be spoken."

ROFLMAO, full court "press."

680 posted on 02/15/2005 10:09:50 AM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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