New message posted above Iraqi flag at Sacramento home
Posted on 02/14/2005 12:43:30 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Monday, February 14, 2005
ON THE HOME FRONT
New hanging effigy: Bush lied, I died
California residence becomes ground zero for protests
New message posted above Iraqi flag at Sacramento home |
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A California couple who created a national uproar last week by hanging in effigy a U.S. soldier on its home with the message "Your Tax Dollars at Work" now has a new message with the hanging uniform: "Bush Lied. I Died."
In reaction to the latest message, Move America Forward, the national organization that supports American troops and the war against terrorism, has announced it will hold a candlelight vigil tomorrow night at the Sacramento home of Steve and Virginia Pearcy.
The three-hour vigil, slated to begin at 7 p.m., is designed to show support for U.S. troops and "register our opposition and disgust with the hateful 'soldier hanged in effigy' display."
"Move America Forward supports the right of free speech," a statement from the group said. "However, the right to speak freely does not mean all words or sentiments should be warmly embraced. The hateful messages that undermine our troops should be treated the same as the hate that spews from the likes of KKK members – we must step forward and make it clear that these voices of hate do not speak for our greater community, and that we will reject them through peaceful assemblies of the community."
Iraqi and Palestinian flags are also being displayed in the windows of the home.
The Pearcy family released a statement to the media in connection with its original effigy, which eventually was torn down by an individual who scaled a tree on the property.
"There will always be people who are offended by political speech, and the most important forum of all ... is one's own residence," the statement said. "The First Amendment is meaningless unless dissent is allowed."
The display has been a source of contention among neighbors who live on Marty Way.
"I'm outraged," neighbor Marque Cohen told the Sacramento Bee. "We have our men and women in uniform that are dying to protect our rights and I think it's a disgrace that somebody would be allowed to hang a U.S. soldier in effigy in front of their house."
Subhuman leftist garbage filth. This needs more publicity, for Middle America - the red states where our troops come from - to see what these lowlifes are doing.
How about "Bush tried and Kusay and Uday died" ?
What is it with these idiots? They got a death wish or something?
Two Words:
Community Standards
Somone in that town needs to put a huge photo of an abortion on their house - this will force the issue of wheather the community really supports free speech and is tolerant of messages they might not agree with.
Somone in that town needs to put a huge photo of an abortion on their house - this will force the issue of whether the community really supports free speech and is tolerant of messages they might not agree with.
Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."
These people don't even live in the house. According to an earlier press report, the pearcy's main address is, surprise, Berkeley.
Is there a homeowners association? After all this is supposed to be California.
I love how liberals 'support' the troops by hanging a dead troop outside their house.
OK....Prove it!
I appreciate that you spoke up and was quoted in the newspaper, but if this is your neighbor, for goodness sakes, organize a neighborhood group and tear down this affront to our troops!!!!
Anybody got a list of Conservatives or Republicans who were punished for speaking their mind?
They'd never get away with that crap here in York, Penna; we'd have ripped that effigy down and run the garbage out of town on day one.
They hate freedom.
Kind of like the terrorists.
What's really sad is that there are idiots on THIS site who have posted on previous threads (and will undoubtedly post on this thread as well) who actually support "free speech" to the point of allowing this kind of filth.
They are wrong, of course - although they don't think so. They're the same kind of "grey area" doves who cause problems like this. They do not comprehend the concept of right and wrong.
Some things are simply wrong - and should NOT be tolerated.
This is an example.
While I totally disagree with their effigy, I also fully understand the Constitution. It doesn't make any distinction over CONTENT! Voltaire is often quoted, - "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ..."
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
...and for another opinion-
First: the opinion which it is attempted to suppress by authority may possibly be true. Those who desire to suppress it, of course deny its truth; but they are not infallible. They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging. To refuse a hearing to an opinion, because they are sure that it is false, is to assume that their certainty is the same thing as absolute certainty. All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility. Its condemnation may be allowed to rest on this common argument, not the worse for being common.... -John Stuart Mill (1806–1873). On Liberty. 1869.
http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html
That being said, I hope the house gets hit by lightning!
Yet last October, a couple's yard and home was vandalized, as police stood by & protected the vandals, because the local 'professional victims' were 'racially offended' by a Halloween display that included a Frankenstein monster hanging in the yard. It 'pained them' because it reminded them of lynchings. The white folk were 'insensitive', blah, blah, blah.
Never said Libs were logical or consistent, let alone logically consistent.
These are three of the photographs we took of the house this weekend:
Everyone has a Palestinian flag hanging in their window, right???
gee, I hope their house doesn't burn down or have it's windows bricked or anything...
I respect their right to have stupid, anti-American opinions.
But, I hope the majority will speak out and show our troops and the terrorists that the opinions of this one family do not reflect the feelings of most Americans.
I heard there is going to be a candlelight vigil sponsored by the local radio station. Does anyone have the details on that?
Always Right: Move America Forward is the group sponsoring the candlelight vigil to protest the effigy. They are NOT the ones who put up this disgusting display.
RWGuy, for info on the vigil, click the link in the story to Move America Forward. MAF was started by local radio host(ess?) Melanie Morgan of KSFO 560.
Is there a homeowners association? After all this is supposed to be California.
From the (local--Sacramento talk radio) news reports I heard there are no CCNRs or association. This is an older (and very nice) neighborhood.
Some things are simply wrong - and should NOT be tolerated.
I'm one of 'those' people, and you can help convince me I'm wrong by pointing out WHO the person is that decides which things are simply wrong and should NOT be tolerated.
It's obviously my ignorance of who that person is that keeps me from calling for the effigy to be torn down.
Go play somewhere else.
Noted.
Looks like anything goes, folks!
Now we can dust off our white robes and hoods, swastikas, etc. and expect no retribution.
When anything's tolerated, anything's what you can expect.
Yeah, scum liberals like these people actually believe in private property rights. /sarcasm
Let them express their message but ignore them. by giving them all this attention they and their allied media have spead their message all around the world. And at the same time have branded their opposition as meanspirited and intolerant. It's a neat little propaganda trap that some of us have fallen into.
You misunderstood me, I was just pinging you for the name of the person we need to contact to stop these displays.
DON'T RUN AWAY!!!!!
YOU HAVE INFORMATIONS WE ALL NEED!!!!!
I must have read wrong. Sounded like you were claiming to be one of the "doves" I mentioned who think this filth should somehow be protected, as if this sort of crap somehow actually makes us stronger as a Nation or some other false, trite notion like that.
My mistake.
I don't have any easy answers as to who decides what is protected and what is not - it comes down to community standards, I suppose. If you live around a bunch of liberal sacks of dung, this might be accepted.
However, in the common sense world of respect being earned and given when it's due, (instead of something to which we're magically "entitled" and have the right to "demand"), this would earn the homeowner a serious ass-kicking, if not worse.
There are some things that should simply be off-limits. The more widely this is tolerated, the closer we get to our domestic enemies achieving their goals of a socialist America.
Yes, Virginia - that is their goal.
However, in the common sense world of respect being earned and given when it's due, (instead of something to which we're magically "entitled" and have the right to "demand"), this would earn the homeowner a serious ass-kicking, if not worse.
I don't know where to begin. I start with this:
The Constitution is one of the worlds most amazing documents, second only to the Bible. In it, we find all sort of constraints on government. I asked you who we should consult to see if the effigy hangers should be constrained. Wisely, you didn't answer directly. I say wisely, because the Founding Fathers were very clear in their writings about the meaning of the First Amendment, and we see that it DOESN'T apply to pornography and all that. It applies primarily, and almost exclusively, to political speech.
In other words God has bestowed on the effigy hangers, who are excercising their God given right to political free speech, the right to hang the 'soldier' as they did. The Founding Fathers wisely saw the need to protect citizens from obnoxious government officials, and individuals bent on mischief, so that our God given freedoms can be exercised.
You've confused me with a 'dove'. I'm not, but I am aware of the original intent of our founding fathers.
There are a lot of Constitutional ways to deal with the obnoxious display. Censorship is not one.
When we declared war on Iraq in 1994, clinton was President.
In 1998, when the Iraqi Liberation Act was passed because saddam was an imminent threat with WMD's, President clinton signed it.
Head of the CIA, George Tenet, who said saddam had WMD's, was appointed by clinton.
Why don't the lefty's give clinton his due?
Your idea that some things should not be tolerated is correct if practiced by individuals following some firm principles.
The proper approach to an offense of this kind is shunning.
Find out who these people are and actively organize a boycott against them.
If they were unable to buy gas and groceries, if the local cable provider and ISP cut them off, etc., they would get a just and proper message their behavior made them pariahs.
"...they would get a just and proper message their behavior made them pariahs."
Good idea - in principle. We are talking about Commiefornia here though. They'd be embraced more than ostracized, I believe.
As many have mentioned, if this were an issue such as anti-semitism or white supremacy -- the uproar would be deafening.
Since it's overwhelmingly anti-Bush, however...it's our Bill of Rights in action.
What's next? Naming the pro football team of our nation's capitol something derogatory to an entire race of people? Oh wait - we already have that....
Do you think the name "Washington Blackskins" would go over well? I don't.
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